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2017 - what should i go with as a newbie? (34)

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Hey,

I've been searching for some threads about traffic and AN. Many of the threads were 1,2 or 3 years old, so i am just in doubt on what is working today?

Which AN is good for a big newbie as me? What traffic source is good to start out with? (By good i mean: Simple to use, not too expensive)

Something else i should consider before investing money?

I have been using the last week reading and understanding AM, and i think i got a pretty good understanding on how most of it works. My next step is to get some practical training.

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Going to have to tell you what I've told someone else I'm helping out these days:

You cannot think of just an affiliate network to get green. You will have to work your way up and leverage your small numbers into better and better networks that will get you better results over time.

Same goes for traffic sources - there are some easy to use but they are so for everyone so it will be harder to make it work because of the competition available there. If you get some experience and have more funds, you can then move into more restrictive sources like PropellerAds and AdCash.

Think of it as a step by step journey, you optimize your partners the same way you optimize your campaigns.

Beginners networks are usually Mobidea, Monetize/Afflow, Mobifreak also have offers now instead of just a smartlink. Those will accept you with much less hassle. Then you have to test them and other networks to see what is best for you.

When it comes to verticals and traffic type, the go-to newbie suggestion is pops and running SOIs or PIN Submits on it.

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My recomendation would be this : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...o-promote-them

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Okay, that makes sense, thanks. The thing holding me back is just the "not knowing" where this is going. It is difficult to make some sort of a plan.

I have some money to invest, but if I'm gonna invest 500+$ and not making any profit before 4-5-6 months, then I probably should wait before starting.

Do you have some sort of suggestion here? I'm not expecting to earn a lot of money just like this, but I would like to have some sort of what to expect, when do I earn back my investment? Etc.

I know it probably is difficult to answer.. but you get my point, right?

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Here i of course mean 500$/mo

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Easiest way to make some money and get a feel for it is to run mobile, geo Africa/Asia, low pay and direct link. Focus on finding offers with good flows. Adsimilis and especially Glize.com have a good selection of offers in "weird" geos. Reg on a few traffic sources and see which have good inventory. Then you can focus on learning the traffic side of things, see some conversions and have the least moving parts.

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It's really hard to give you an answer ... you can become profitable within a week, literally ... it can take you a few months ... and you might not make it at all. It all depends on what kind of person you are, what skills you have and how good you are at taking action. AM is a lot about taking action : you need to figure out the setup, put it all together, get this, get that ... start testing, then more testing, finding offers, finding more offers ... it's very easy to get lost in the process and wait for this or that extra tool, or look for that extra piece of knowledge that you might think is missing.

The best advice I can give you is to actually start doing something NOW. Don't plan too much, carrier billing offers in africa, asia or latam are still working right now, so focus on that and start testing.

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Thanks!
Well, I'm gonna sign up for the different tools and then I'm ready! Learning by doing is the next step - thanks for the answers

Modesto

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With your relatively small budget, tools are a big expense - You have to be super motivated and grind as many waking hours as you can, because you will pay at least 20% of your monthly budget on tools, likely more. You also can't realistically pause working campaigns if you run out of budget. You can stop traffic but it's likely that in 2-3 weeks you have to optimize more things again, so you lose a lot of potential profits.

Cash is still very important in the industry so you have to make sure you a) have enough and b) use it wisely.

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ecom or lead gen

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@manu_adefy

I will take that in mine for sure, thanks. But i'm still not quite sure on when i have enough?
I can ofcourse do the simple math as; "stm 99% + Voluum 99%" etc. But i can't really imagine how much i will spend each month compared to how much i will earn.. This is what is holding me back. I am very motivated to start, but i will not start if i do not have the right capital yet. Then i would have to spend some months saving some money from my actual job

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I personally prefer the way of having a bigger chunk instead of monthly "allowance" because you can then take 1 month of spending money on traffic as much as you need. If you do it with monthly budget, you will always spend a big % on tools that are still needed.

That means you will have a tougher time creating a profit.

$500 is enough for some tests but what happens if you run into a profitable campaign that requires you spend $100/day to make $50/day profit? You generally have to be able to finance like 30 days of your traffic to be on the safe side.

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Yes, but this is kind of what i don't understand. If i have a campaign where i spend 100$/day and i make 50$ i profit, i will of course keep running that campaign. But in this case, i will spend 100$ one day and in the end of the day i will have 50$ in profit, then i do the same next day, and i will now have 100$ in profit etc. In this case it makes sense for me to spend 100$ a day. BUT, the thing is, if i have a campaign and i see that i have to spend 100$/day, do i then have to pay for 30 days = 3000$, and then hopefully i will make 50$/day, but if it goes wrong, i am now -3000$ on my account.

Maybe this was confusing. But it all comes down to investing. Do i invest 100$ one day, and then i see what i've earned. / or do i invest 3000$ for 30 days (equals to 100$/day)?

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I have read about the different methods and about the "quick" solutions to make some money. I would prefere to start out doing a good business, and not only a small quick solution. I am still not sure what traffic source to go with.. I would prefere some kind of Google / Facebook, but dammit it is difficult to decide and just go with it!

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We usually judge campaigns on a daily basis - so $100 spent on traffic, $150 revenue ... this means my ROI on that day was 50%. But you will not get paid from your affiliate network daily, it takes some time - based on specific network conditions.

It's pretty normal to see bi-weekly payout terms for new affiliates with net 7 delay. This means that for the revenue generated from the 1st to the 15th, you need to wait 7 more days for the payment to be sent - it will be sent on the 22nd ... then allow a few days for the wire to arrive, so you can get it on the 25th or later in case of a weekend delay. SO almost 30 days.

This is what Manu had in mind : in order to be able to spend $100 daily on traffic, you need about $3000 monthly budget, because it can take up to 30 days to received your payment.

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Exactly this, yep

You can set a "stop loss" monthly perhaps, but that once you hit green, you NEED to be able to continue running traffic, otherwise all the effort and money from before is not getting its worth.

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Hey man, lead gen king of offers are still solid and newbie friendly. Check them out in Clickedealer. Work good with pop-under traffic. As mentioned above pin submits are also doing good.
The most important thing here is to test as much as it is possible. Test. Analise. Learn and than repeat it all

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Ah okay, now i get it. But if i am running 100$/day, and one day i turns red, i can then stop it, and after the 30 days i will get the money i've earned from the "green" period?

@roman, what is Lead gen king? Are there some tutorial for this "lead gen"? Do i need lp's etc?

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Depends on the exact amount, there are some thresholds for many networks.. They won't pay less than a few hundred dollars usually, varies with network - you should ask your account manager or check the networks FAQ/documentation.

Have to reiterate: If you spend $200 optimizing a campaign and then run it profitably for one week, even at $100/day profit, you end up making approx $500.

You pause because you are out of funds and wait to get paid.

By the time you get paid, it's been another 20 days (approximate number, will vary) and you've missed out on a potential $2000 profit.

Instead of making $2500 out of your $200 investment in testing, you have made $500.

If you do that over and over again, you see why you are at a big disadvantage. Your effective ROI is just much much lower, and that's assuming some very good campaigns that turn green often. You can run into situations where after $1000 down on several tests, you are not in the green.

In other words, if you can't milk it while it works, the whole model is likely to fall apart.

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@manu_adefy, Thanks a lot for the answers! At the moment, i am doing some amazon associate and learning from the Internet Jetset by John Crestani. I would like to expand, but i thought this was a easy method for starting, cause i still wasn't sure where to begin. I have signed up for AffiliaXe, but have not been totally aprooved yet, so i'm kind of wating for that and learning from John.

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John has his own network, so if you're learning from his guides, he should be willing to take you on board instantly I suppose It's always a good idea to work with more than 1 network anyways, do not signup for dozens, but certainly apply for 3 or so straight away.

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Roman made a typo, it was supposed to read Lead Gen KIND of offers, not king. Here is a post with quick explanations on the most common offer types : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ypes-explained!

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Oh thanks! So for instance, Amazon Associate, Johns network and AffiliaXe is a good start? At the moment i am only running free traffic, not any paid ads yet. I'm still not 100% sure where to start with all of this hosting, servers, lp's, trackers etc. So i'm starting out slowly now, and then i will keep reading some guides and threads a long the way!

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Doesnt matter where you start. Just copy, and innovate.

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@Johnaff, thanks, i'm following your Internet Jetset, it's awesome!

I have now signed up for AffiliaXe and have been approved. I have also signed up for Voluum, so i should be kind of ready to start, right?

I have no LP's yet, but can i get started in somehow without servers and LP's?

When i look into affiliaXe it's very confusing with all the offers and traffic, so i'm totally unsure what to chose. Some guys i here told me to use Leadgen, but how do i chose leadgen? And is it good without LP? or should i go with some mobile?

Beside that, i have no clue on how to setup Voluum with my campaign etc, but lets take one step at the time!

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In addition - Should i buy the traffic from affiliaxe? Or should i for instance use ZeroPark which is default in Voluum?

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comon man your making me look bad.

I explain all this stuff in the videos...

Affiliaxe is an affiliate network, they pay you for sales. You buy traffic from ad networks such as google/facebook/youtube.

I dont even teach paid traffic in the basic course bro, your supposed to focus on your free traffic thing first (google blog, facebook page, or youtube channel).

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Amy started to build a forum section just for people like you, start there : https://stmforum.com/forum/forumdisp...-s-First-Steps

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@johnaff, sry, not my intentions. I have been following your steps and exercises, (no problems there), but the AM i was talking to adviced me to do some paid traffic also, it would not hurt. The thing is, i can also buy the traffic in affiliaxe. But it doesn't matter now, i got it

@mauloo, i've read them now, i'm just stil trying to figure out how to setup/understand my whole Voluum, lp's etc, it's a mess in the beginning.

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Affiliaxe is an affiliate network, you don't go there to buy traffic but to get offers that you can promote. You need accounts with traffic networks in order to get traffic.

Amy wrote a tutorial for Voluum setup too : https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...by-Step-Voluum

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@matuloo, yeah i understood now, it confused me cause when you enter affiliaxe it says "buy traffic" as an option, so that's why it confused me. But i've found out of everything now and have my first campaign running now. I saw that tutorial as well, so i got all of it now. Sry for the "stupid" questions, but some of the stuff was confusing. For instance, when i search for "Voluum tutorial" it did not show that thread.

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@modesto: I work with Affiliaxe, I think the confusion is they have a "traffic sources" tab in the dashboard that gives you a list of sources to sign up with.

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The only stupid question is the one you don't ask

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Uhm, really? Or did I miss some sarcasm?

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