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04-02-2017 06:05 AM #1 eike_west (Member)
Adult traffic & Amazon Affiliate?

Hey guys,

I read some information about affiliate SEO for amazon affiliate programm. People there are monetizing EPC of $0,05 to $0,2 on their niche-pages. Anybody of you have experience in trying to monetize adult traffic by sending it to amazone affiliate links? Maybe promoting sextoys etc.? Are there restrictions from Amazon?

Looking forward to hear your thoughts on that!
BR,
Eike

04-02-2017 07:55 AM #2 ivocado (Member)

This is against Amazon TOS! You could theoretically use a bridge page. But I would simply forget about that idea. Amazon in general is difficult topic. They make it harder and harder for their Affiliates to earn money.

04-02-2017 10:47 AM #3 nomorebets (Member)

I had similar idea some time ago. What I did was, take amazon affiliate link to any product available, and use pop sources to show it to visitors. Now this is interesting, so much Americans buy on amazon every day, it is profitable to show all of them popups without any optimization. They have 24h to give you comission as far as I remember. I spend like $15 for popups and made about $120 in amazon. Few days later was banned. Anyway, if there was a way to pass this….

04-02-2017 08:31 PM #4 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by nomorebets View Post
I had similar idea some time ago. What I did was, take amazon affiliate link to any product available, and use pop sources to show it to visitors. Now this is interesting, so much Americans buy on amazon every day, it is profitable to show all of them popups without any optimization. They have 24h to give you comission as far as I remember. I spend like $15 for popups and made about $120 in amazon. Few days later was banned. Anyway, if there was a way to pass this….
What you've been doing is called "cookie stuffing" - you were putting cookies into peoples comps and than basically stealing the commissions from other affiliates who sent the same people to amazon from their sites - because the cookie is set to stay valid for some time. This is considered a black-hat tactic and is subject to a ban.

04-02-2017 08:34 PM #5 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by eike_west View Post
Hey guys,

I read some information about affiliate SEO for amazon affiliate programm. People there are monetizing EPC of $0,05 to $0,2 on their niche-pages. Anybody of you have experience in trying to monetize adult traffic by sending it to amazone affiliate links? Maybe promoting sextoys etc.? Are there restrictions from Amazon?

Looking forward to hear your thoughts on that!
BR,
Eike
Don't do this, large programs like amazon don't want adult traffic. There are adult affiliate programs for pretty much anything that has to do with the niche, sex toy shops are included, work with such programs instead.

04-02-2017 08:59 PM #6 eike_west (Member)

Why is it black hat? As far as I understand he really lead user to amazon who actually bought something. Thats the business of affiliates, isn´t it? Sure other cookies get overwritten, but that happens all the time a user gets redirected through an affilate link to amazon.

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
What you've been doing is called "cookie stuffing" - you were putting cookies into peoples comps and than basically stealing the commissions from other affiliates who sent the same people to amazon from their sites - because the cookie is set to stay valid for some time. This is considered a black-hat tactic and is subject to a ban.

04-02-2017 09:26 PM #7 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by eike_west View Post
Why is it black hat? As far as I understand he really lead user to amazon who actually bought something. Thats the business of affiliates, isn´t it? Sure other cookies get overwritten, but that happens all the time a user gets redirected through an affilate link to amazon.
Well, they bought something, but not when he sent them there but in the coming days ... while the cookie was still set ... the visitor could have read some review or clicked an ad somewhere, but since the cookie was already set through the POP, the sale was credited to someone who actually didn't do any selling. I'm not sure how long the cookies stay valid, but that's how it works in a nutshell. People don't buy stuff on amazon when they are randomly sent there via POPs ... that's simply not happening and the amazon guys know it, that's why it's banned.

04-02-2017 10:25 PM #8 nomorebets (Member)

Yes, this method is black hat indeed. However, it's not about stealing someone else's comission. When you show someone a popup with your affiliate link, cookies save it for 24h or sth like that. Visitors close the popup, but statistically so much Americans buy on amazon every day, that even if you show popups to random people, later that day few of them will buy something on amazon.

04-02-2017 10:56 PM #9 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by nomorebets View Post
Yes, this method is black hat indeed. However, it's not about stealing someone else's comission. When you show someone a popup with your affiliate link, cookies save it for 24h or sth like that. Visitors close the popup, but statistically so much Americans buy on amazon every day, that even if you show popups to random people, later that day few of them will buy something on amazon.
Well yes, part of the people would definitely buy something on amazon on their own, but that still doesn't make you entitled for a commission, because you didn't do anything to make that sale happen. So technically, you are not stealing the commission from an affiliate, but you are making amazon to pay again for a customer that they already have. This is not a legitimate way of generating commissions, whichever way we look at it. That's why it's banned.

And this is just part of the purchases, some of them will indeed be a result of someones else's campaign.

Not trying to play morals here, just stating the facts.

04-03-2017 06:50 AM #10 eike_west (Member)

ok, in terms of pop traffic there is no buyers intent when loading the affiliate link - I get it, so its cookie stuffing.
Imagining sombeody sends user through facebook ads (its also forbidden by amazon affiliate TOS as I know) - does amazone find out this, when the user gets lead from facebook and redirected by a tracker? Technically, how do I hide where users are coming from? I´m just curious

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Well yes, part of the people would definitely buy something on amazon on their own, but that still doesn't make you entitled for a commission, because you didn't do anything to make that sale happen. So technically, you are not stealing the commission from an affiliate, but you are making amazon to pay again for a customer that they already have. This is not a legitimate way of generating commissions, whichever way we look at it. That's why it's banned.

And this is just part of the purchases, some of them will indeed be a result of someones else's campaign.

Not trying to play morals here, just stating the facts.

04-03-2017 12:35 PM #11 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by eike_west View Post
ok, in terms of pop traffic there is no buyers intent when loading the affiliate link - I get it, so its cookie stuffing.
Imagining sombeody sends user through facebook ads (its also forbidden by amazon affiliate TOS as I know) - does amazone find out this, when the user gets lead from facebook and redirected by a tracker? Technically, how do I hide where users are coming from? I´m just curious
You can hide referal info by using DMR (double meta refresh) or by using a cloaker ... none of the solutions is 100% secure and you will still get banned from time to time in case you'r LPs or traffic sources are against the TOS.

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