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All farmed Facebook accounts are getting banned. Anyone else? (28)


03-13-2017 05:55 PM #1 miamiviews ()
All farmed Facebook accounts are getting banned. Anyone else?

I've tried everything from farming my own Facebook to purchasing from ad account sellers and they all get shut down in the first 24 hours. I've tried using dozens of employee cards and different VPS's. I've paid VA's to create activity on the accounts. I've bought from multiple people who say they farm ad accounts and they get shut down. I don't know what to do anymore. It seems like Facebook has improved their algorithm. Does anyone have any advice or solved this and is currently running on farmed accounts?


03-13-2017 08:48 PM #2 johnaff (AMC Alumnus)

Facebook (and its army of 10s of thousands of insanely intelligent, wellpaid developers) will always be smarter than the masses of affiliates trying to farm accounts.

The best plan of action will always be to find ways to more efficiently reach people, and/or add value to the world.

Tricks/hacks/glitches/loopholes/etc are all basically lottery tickets.

Focusing on building skills such as copywriting/research/data analysis is the best course of action.


03-14-2017 09:30 AM #3 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Try to find any leak in your farming process what spoils the party man....


03-14-2017 09:40 AM #4 shizzlit (Member)

Are you running adult ads or wtf


03-14-2017 05:30 PM #5 switchfire (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by miamiviews View Post
I've tried everything from farming my own Facebook to purchasing from ad account sellers and they all get shut down in the first 24 hours. I've tried using dozens of employee cards and different VPS's. I've paid VA's to create activity on the accounts. I've bought from multiple people who say they farm ad accounts and they get shut down.
Do they give any options like contacting them and provide further information, like sending ID or bank statement? or just disabling your accounts permanently after 24 hours ?

If they do ask you for more info, have you provide it to them and what was the outcome?

Cheers


03-15-2017 05:10 PM #6 mihalis09 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by johnaff View Post
Facebook (and its army of 10s of thousands of insanely intelligent, wellpaid developers) will always be smarter than the masses of affiliates trying to farm accounts.
That is simply limited thinking.


03-15-2017 05:42 PM #7 whysoez (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by johnaff View Post
Facebook (and its army of 10s of thousands of insanely intelligent, wellpaid developers) will always be smarter than the masses of affiliates trying to farm accounts.

The best plan of action will always be to find ways to more efficiently reach people, and/or add value to the world.

Tricks/hacks/glitches/loopholes/etc are all basically lottery tickets.

Focusing on building skills such as copywriting/research/data analysis is the best course of action.
Tell that to the guys banking 4-5 figures/day doing BH stuff on FB and adwords, consistently for months. Pretty sure they are here. Some post occasionally, but many lurkers too of course. Being on this forum for less than a couple of weeks, I'm pretty sure at least 20 guys on here are doing at least 4 figs a day on FB and at least 5 doing 5 figs a day.

As for adding value - whenever you drive drive sales/leads you ARE adding value. If you're not adding value, why would anyone pay you?...In the case of BH stuff, you're just not doing it in the way FB approves of. But that doesn't mean you won't make bank.

Tricks/hacks/glitches/loopholes are by definition unsustainable unless you work insanely hard to evolve with the times but still doesn't mean it won't make you 7 figures if you have a system in place.

Regarding the last point, IMO, everyone should focus on what they're good at. If they're good at lots of things (unlikely, but possible) - they should focus on one thing that has the best risk-adjusted return. If you're good at farming accounts and setting up a system but suck at creativity it makes no sense to ditch your fb account farming skills to acquire a copywriting skill.


03-16-2017 02:03 AM #8 datle888 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by whysoez View Post
As for adding value - whenever you drive drive sales/leads you ARE adding value. If you're not adding value, why would anyone pay you?...In the case of BH stuff, you're just not doing it in the way FB approves of. But that doesn't mean you won't make bank.
There's a HUGE difference between actual value and perceived value. 99% of BH stuff banks on deceiving users (nutra is a prime example), thereby vastly inflating the actual value.

I'm not judging anyone, but you gotta be real.


03-16-2017 02:10 AM #9 whysoez (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by datle888 View Post
There's a HUGE difference between actual value and perceived value. 99% of BH stuff banks on deceiving users (nutra is a prime example), thereby vastly inflating the actual value.

I'm not judging anyone, but you gotta be real.
Ya I know. But I figure most on this forum are here to make money, not necessarily to make the world a better place.


03-16-2017 07:29 AM #10 johnaff (AMC Alumnus)

Quote Originally Posted by whysoez View Post
Ya I know. But I figure most on this forum are here to make money, not necessarily to make the world a better place.
the two arent mutually exclusive...


03-25-2017 04:48 AM #11 fbqueen (Senior Member)

There are just so many variables that you need to check when you're farming. The farming process needs to replicate a real person's activity. Do you think a real person will login to facebook on a VPS? Try to think how you use Facebook on a regular bases and start doing the same in bulk amount. Also consider what kind of footprints you're leaving, whatever may connect you to old banned accounts WILL get you flagged.


03-27-2017 05:23 PM #12 affiliatestealth (Member)

Should not be using VPS' or datacenter IP's. We have successful farmers using this service (http://affiliatestealth.com) (RDSL) and they are saying that most accounts need to be at least 6 months old and when you farm them make sure you are joining local groups to the area of the IP's and the account home location. Then interact in these groups. If you don't FB thinks you're fake. Also chat with people a little bit. What person ignores all the chats? It's all how you farm and like fbqueen says there are so many variables and I agree 100% with her. I've had successful accounts that I've done myself for testing purposes which are still spending on BH with some affiliates that we partnered with.
Also what pictures are you uploading? Are they scraped from Google Images? BAD. Do you have enough pics of the same person (not public on Google) that you can upload a few at the beginning and then several throughout the farming process? How many real people have 1 pic and never change their cover photo? Maybe some but the majority is not. Also what type of Page are you making and how quickly are you trying to advertise on that page? Give it time. This isn't a rush. The rush ends up killing all the hard work you did to begin with and only frustrates you more.


03-30-2017 09:07 AM #13 nickpeplow (AMC Alumnus)

Critical
- Residential IP Address
- Real Debit/Credit Card, that will either bill without a zip or a correct one entered (depends on geo)

Important
- Reasonable activity for a month
- Over 1 month old
- Solid clean site

Somewhat Important
- Domain over 7 days old, or you'll get extra initial manual review
- Activity outside of facebook (pick up retargeting pixels)

Good Practice
- Unique pictures (rip from dating sites)


03-30-2017 09:53 AM #14 Nero_Rising (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by johnaff View Post
Facebook (and its army of 10s of thousands of insanely intelligent, wellpaid developers) will always be smarter than the masses of affiliates trying to farm accounts.

The best plan of action will always be to find ways to more efficiently reach people, and/or add value to the world.

Tricks/hacks/glitches/loopholes/etc are all basically lottery tickets.

Focusing on building skills such as copywriting/research/data analysis is the best course of action.
Wisedom right there!


04-06-2017 06:36 PM #15 sleenirvana (Member)

Farmed accounts are pretty much dead. Fb has gotten so good at banning.


04-08-2017 03:38 PM #16 blackemil (Junior Moderator)

Why to farm when you can rent ?


04-10-2017 04:54 AM #17 johnaff (AMC Alumnus)

whitehat is the new blackhat


04-10-2017 05:14 AM #18 gutsch (Member)

my accounts are just doing well we have +300x farmed acc working fine :-d


04-10-2017 07:10 AM #19 bobliu (Member)

Over the years there have been countless periods when Facebook decides to stamp down on ad quality and you notice a considerable amount of brand ads around vs. affiliate. Now is not one of these times. I've just done a few searches and here are some ads seen in the last few minutes, some of which, are almost certainly running on farmed accounts:

Cloaked Ads - Weight-loss / Skin / Enhancement

Non-cloaked Ads: Shopify Domains / Tee / Funnel


04-25-2017 07:56 AM #20 stmgdpdfe (Member)

thanks for your inspirational suggestion, i have another question, i managed to get a boa business account open and tried to use employee cards, it worked one time spent 5k then account got banned after that never got the luck back again since then. i tried to add more employee cards all banned immediately after adding cards in accounts. i tried around 10 cards all failed, all cards with the same billing address info.
so do you have any idea on this situation?

Quote Originally Posted by mdntblu View Post
Should not be using VPS' or datacenter IP's. We have successful farmers using this service (http://affiliatestealth.com) (RDSL) and they are saying that most accounts need to be at least 6 months old and when you farm them make sure you are joining local groups to the area of the IP's and the account home location. Then interact in these groups. If you don't FB thinks you're fake. Also chat with people a little bit. What person ignores all the chats? It's all how you farm and like fbqueen says there are so many variables and I agree 100% with her. I've had successful accounts that I've done myself for testing purposes which are still spending on BH with some affiliates that we partnered with.
Also what pictures are you uploading? Are they scraped from Google Images? BAD. Do you have enough pics of the same person (not public on Google) that you can upload a few at the beginning and then several throughout the farming process? How many real people have 1 pic and never change their cover photo? Maybe some but the majority is not. Also what type of Page are you making and how quickly are you trying to advertise on that page? Give it time. This isn't a rush. The rush ends up killing all the hard work you did to begin with and only frustrates you more.


04-26-2017 05:49 AM #21 Clickbait ()

It's so easy for Facebook to figure this out. All farmers are using 3 year old techniques and FB newest detection algorithm is clobbering them. Facebook is an advertising business. When they notice that brand new accounts with little activity that appear to be fake are causing 95% of the issues on their ad network they are going to stomp them out. If you have any chance of running BH in 2017 and into the future you better get down with one mindset "how can i blend in as a normal user".

True BH guys are hiding in the Facebook bushes in full camo gear. The noobie farmers with brand new accounts are basically wearing neon pink in an open field - of course your gonna get hit! Take a look at the image i put together below. It should give you some ideas on how to float under the radar. BTW these are data points we listed below are like the tip of the iceberg. FB has thousands of data points they can look at to identify fake profiles from real ones.

The hardest enemy to take out is the one that appears to be one of your fellow soliders...


11-06-2017 06:25 AM #22 lorpez (Member)

can you teach how to farm


11-06-2017 09:42 AM #23 chaabanov (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by johnaff View Post
Facebook (and its army of 10s of thousands of insanely intelligent, wellpaid developers) will always be smarter than the masses of affiliates trying to farm accounts.

The best plan of action will always be to find ways to more efficiently reach people, and/or add value to the world.

Tricks/hacks/glitches/loopholes/etc are all basically lottery tickets.

Focusing on building skills such as copywriting/research/data analysis is the best course of action.
Facebook are way too overestimated.


11-06-2017 10:57 AM #24 koolfashion (Member)

When you farm correctly the whole process from the registering account to running successful BH campaigns takes about month.

After that you can expect to spend more than $10-20k per account on ads.


11-08-2017 11:45 AM #25 desteny (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by johnaff View Post
Facebook (and its army of 10s of thousands of insanely intelligent, wellpaid developers) will always be smarter than the masses of affiliates trying to farm accounts.
That is very true! We can see past 4-5 years how farming accounts have changed. Simple things to not work anymore as they use to work back in 2012, when all you needed was to buy older facebook account from BHW and start your ads literally few days later with clean datacenter IP, paypal with vcc and you got free 500usd total spend - buy and burn. No warm up, no hassle, same domains, no disapproved ads. Let's not forget also Grunin's big fiasco with agency accounts.

Now, everything is different, harder and more expensive. Currently accounts sell for 500usd each, back in 2010-2012 they were 50usd each!

But johnaff, facebook is offering traffic for money, they CAN NOT ban ad account farmers/sellers without closing all advertising part to regular people. They get better all the time with their fancy softwares/AI's, but so do farmers. This business is changing all the time, Facebook changes something, so does affiliates/farmers. I doubt anyone using same method right now as they were using 1-2 years ago.

Good farmed account starts with clean IP(mobile carrier is the BOSS currently) and fresh windows/IOS/Android OS. If you are using any of these keywords, you will not succeed: #VPS #linux #windows server OS #portable browser #windows profiles #datacenter IP #luminati #public software for activity #new domain #new fanpage #any profile image pack from internet


11-08-2017 03:56 PM #26 ucoinx (Member)

I was getting same error when farming accounts as facebook improved AI to advance level so they can easily detect same pattern, repetitive task, now its very hard to stay longtime farmed accounts, so after lots of testing & effort what i have found is BH method, for this method don't need to farm accounts don't need to worry about billing address its getting me 70% success feel free to contact me i will share my strategy if it could help someone


11-12-2017 09:17 AM #27 kaiderz (Member)

Message Sent ucoinz


11-12-2017 06:18 PM #28 david2772 (Member)

Fb has 2 reasons for banning BH accounts:

- They really do want to keep ad quality on the platform skewed towards a generally good UX. If it was crammed with spammy rebill ads people would have a bad taste in their mouth regarding the platform and would stop using it, or decrease activity.

- Fb does need to cover their ass in terms of the the FTC, as many BH ads are in direct violation. They need to put on a show of taking action so they can say to the FTC that they're taking reasonable steps to mitigate the problem, and that the scope/complexity is impossible to truly stamp out. of course, like Johnaff said, if they really wanted to, they could shut down all BH stuff in about a week, for good.


My opinion is that the above two factor up and down based on FTC attention / general ad quality/ publicity. But BH ads make up hundreds in millions of ad rev for them (if not billions) annually, so they're not about to shut it down completely just yet. In 5 years when ecomm is bigger and fb becomes more of a branding/ wh platform than it already is now, then they might close down BH stuff. Time will tell.

All of that said, farmed accounts are indeed still working. I have many partners with good farms that are getting excellent spend with pretty scaled out operations.


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