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10-26-2011 01:32 PM #1 eliquid (Member)
Create Your Own PPV Network

I am going to show a simplified way of creating your own PPV Network.

I will be taking my time to update and post this, but I will provide an overview of it and how you can make it yourself.

I can provide code and examples/ideas, but I do not have time to run one myself, so for anyone that gets this going and up, I would like to partner with you to help you crush it even more.

Here is what you need:

1. Good hosting ( your popping ) - BeyondHosting or a cloud based one is a good start.

2. PHP and MySQL on your host

3. http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/ or knowledge on how to turn VB into an EXE ( more on this later )

4. A program you want people to DL so you can silent install your PPV EXE ( check torrents or warez for something you would want to offer )

5. readup on binding exe's here: http://www.payperinstall.org/PPI-guide-1.html

I have gone as far as making the PPV EXE, making the backend, and testing the EXE for pops on my own machine. What I have not done fully is the binding my PPV EXE to another EXE and silent installing it on other peoples machines.

Why haven't I gone this far? Frankly, I am too damn busy with other projects myself and also, when you are dealing with Windows software ( EXE's ) and other peoples computers, you run into a hell of a lot of issues with configurations, installation issues, compatibility issues, etc. I know web programming, not desktop programming so dealing with customers that can not install the EXE or dealing with my EXE not running on every flavor of IE/Vista/Runtime is not what I want to be dealing with.

Maybe someone reading this might know more about desktop programing and silent installs and binding that can pitch in, but right now I am going to show you how to create the EXE and create the backend on your server and make them talk to each other. The binding process and getting people to install it is a whole other story that we will be learning TOGETHER though.

With that said, I am NOT a code monkey but more of a script hacker that has been hacking away at PHP and macro programs for a long ass time, so code issues and support will be low on the priority list.

If you all are game ( and if you would get this up and partner with me ) we can create our own traffic source and reduce our cost of traffic to almost 0.

I created a lot of this code 1-2 years ago and havent touched it since. I need to dig up my code and refresh myself on it ( which is why I am going to take my time on updating this ). Once I have it all dug up, I will have more examples to show you too.

So, are you game for this case study?

10-26-2011 01:51 PM #2 tap1on (Member)

Thought about this a while back but decided it would be too time consuming for me. I'm really intrested in following this case study

10-26-2011 02:09 PM #3 ibanez (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by eliquid View Post
I am going to show a simplified way of creating your own PPV Network.

I will be taking my time to update and post this, but I will provide an overview of it and how you can make it yourself.

I can provide code and examples/ideas, but I do not have time to run one myself, so for anyone that gets this going and up, I would like to partner with you to help you crush it even more.

Here is what you need:

1. Good hosting ( your popping ) - BeyondHosting or a cloud based one is a good start.

2. PHP and MySQL on your host

3. http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/ or knowledge on how to turn VB into an EXE ( more on this later )

4. A program you want people to DL so you can silent install your PPV EXE ( check torrents or warez for something you would want to offer )

5. readup on binding exe's here: http://www.payperinstall.org/PPI-guide-1.html

I have gone as far as making the PPV EXE, making the backend, and testing the EXE for pops on my own machine. What I have not done fully is the binding my PPV EXE to another EXE and silent installing it on other peoples machines.

Why haven't I gone this far? Frankly, I am too damn busy with other projects myself and also, when you are dealing with Windows software ( EXE's ) and other peoples computers, you run into a hell of a lot of issues with configurations, installation issues, compatibility issues, etc. I know web programming, not desktop programming so dealing with customers that can not install the EXE or dealing with my EXE not running on every flavor of IE/Vista/Runtime is not what I want to be dealing with.

Maybe someone reading this might know more about desktop programing and silent installs and binding that can pitch in, but right now I am going to show you how to create the EXE and create the backend on your server and make them talk to each other. The binding process and getting people to install it is a whole other story that we will be learning TOGETHER though.

With that said, I am NOT a code monkey but more of a script hacker that has been hacking away at PHP and macro programs for a long ass time, so code issues and support will be low on the priority list.

If you all are game ( and if you would get this up and partner with me ) we can create our own traffic source and reduce our cost of traffic to almost 0.

I created a lot of this code 1-2 years ago and havent touched it since. I need to dig up my code and refresh myself on it ( which is why I am going to take my time on updating this ). Once I have it all dug up, I will have more examples to show you too.

So, are you game for this case study?
Great idea, I was planning on doing something like this a year ago, just wasnt sure how to start. There was a code which was sold for like $999, which was the complete PPV script(it also replaced google search ads with your own ads), but the offer is no longer valid. Too bad i didnt have the money back then to buy it.

Also what is the deal with Openoffice and other opensource apps? I see LI bundling their adware with them, is it allowed to do that since its open source? There are lots of open source software out there which would be good for this case study :P

10-26-2011 03:53 PM #4 Gary (Member)

I did a bit of this many moons ago.

Good information about the whole system:

http://www.blackhat.com/presentation...rground-wp.pdf

Depends on your morals how far you want to go to get an install.....just bear in mind its a minefield legally and you would need to take steps in order to cover your ass all along the line.

10-26-2011 04:13 PM #5 mykeyfocus (Member)

Nice link gary, thanks. It's shady business for sure but hella profitable. The more you can find ways to make money through (your own) popups without leaving a moneytrail the more you can get away with.

10-26-2011 04:46 PM #6 pbakos92 (Member)

Good luck keeping up with the AVs...

10-26-2011 04:55 PM #7 z6marketing (Member)

Yeah, the problem isn't making a program that can pop a window - it's making a program that can pop a window past popup blockers, while avoiding uninstallation or blocking by antivirus and antispyware programs.

I'd like to see if this works on a large scale (tens of thousands of users). It's an interesting concept but the thing holding most people back from making their own PPV platform is having a lightweight installer that isn't shut down the second it pops the first time.

10-26-2011 06:06 PM #8 vidivo (Member)

yeah you have to get it past norton and avast etc.. no way i know how to do this which is why i never went into it... but if your willing to provide us one and with easy instructions how to change it up a bit, im all down for spreading this bad boy

10-26-2011 06:32 PM #9 eliquid (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by pbakos92 View Post
Good luck keeping up with the AVs...
Shouldn't be a problem at all. You only get blocked when people report you. LI and TV and others have to change theirs at times. This will be no different.

Quote Originally Posted by z6marketing View Post
Yeah, the problem isn't making a program that can pop a window - it's making a program that can pop a window past popup blockers, while avoiding uninstallation or blocking by antivirus and antispyware programs.

I'd like to see if this works on a large scale (tens of thousands of users). It's an interesting concept but the thing holding most people back from making their own PPV platform is having a lightweight installer that isn't shut down the second it pops the first time.
On the topic of lightweight, Im right at 329 KB for the PPV EXE itself, It will prob be under 400 KB when done on just it alone. Whatever its bundled with ( the candy ) will be a different issue.

Quote Originally Posted by vidivo View Post
yeah you have to get it past norton and avast etc.. no way i know how to do this which is why i never went into it... but if your willing to provide us one and with easy instructions how to change it up a bit, im all down for spreading this bad boy
You guys are way into the AntiVirus shit. How do you all act when people come into affiliate marketing and say "Oh yeah, you gotta get by the FTC and ad approval process's, find a slick offer, or {obstacle 1, obstacle 2, obstacle 3}"? If your not trying, then you just dont know....

10-26-2011 06:34 PM #10 z6marketing (Member)

Actually I HAVE run a custom adware before, and the issue WAS getting snagged by AV's left and right. So, yeah. I'm not talking out my ass. But if you have a way where it isn't a problem I'm all ears.

10-26-2011 06:36 PM #11 grikis (Member)

My own small ppv network myself. I have a user base of 1000 US users, but I'm having troubles monetizing the traffic.
I have got a 3 credit report sales & some buck showing email submits. That's it. Nothing worth my time.
Users don't visit auto insurance offers and loan websites daily.

I have no troubles getting pass pop up blockers with method I use, my problem is - I can't manage to monetize the traffic. I'm earning about 1 cent per user.

10-26-2011 06:41 PM #12 eliquid (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by z6marketing View Post
Actually I HAVE run a custom adware before, and the issue WAS getting snagged by AV's left and right. So, yeah. I'm not talking out my ass. But if you have a way where it isn't a problem I'm all ears.
I dont think anyone said you were talking out of your ass, but there are many roads that lead to Rome when it comes to creating something like a PPV network

10-26-2011 07:47 PM #13 Mr Green (Administrator)

Def would like to see this go down!

12-06-2011 05:52 AM #14 dantheman (Member)

What happened to this thread?

Eliquid, were you able to get it setup?

12-06-2011 12:51 PM #15 invisible777 (Member)

This is something I've always wanted to do but I would need a hella good desktop programmer.

As far as distribution goes, two points:

1. The popular game and toolbar downloads pay the affiliate network $3.00+ per install/lead but there is no way they are actually paying $3.00+ per install. I'm curious as to how tight the scrub rate is. They are most likely paying $0.50 or less per install. This leads into the bigger overarching long term question/math: how much is a lifetime user worth?

2. Do you really need to distribute your own toolbar/adware/software? A lot of these guys seem to bundle their adware together in 1 program and maybe revshare with eachother as opposed to paying straight-up CPA's per install. Less upfront cost to explode the user base would be wise.

Just thinking out loud here, but if any of you guys want to start a Skype chatroom I'm game.

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