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How to hide lander from Affiliate Network & Offer owner? (18)

03-04-2017 12:15 AM #1 aloeveraa1491 (Member)
How to hide lander from Affiliate Network & Offer owner?

Hello everyone!

Recently I've received a warning email from my affiliate network telling me to re-check my creatives for an app install offer im running as aggressive landers cant be used (I'm using the virus angle) or risk being banned and withholding my payments

Somehow they managed to find my lander (I think?), how do I hide this from them?
Eg DMR in Voluum? Hiding referrrer? Etc?

I'm currently Cloaking, and using 302 in Voluum tracking settings

03-04-2017 04:31 AM #2 jessejames (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by aloeveraa1491 View Post
Hello everyone!

Recently I've received a warning email from my affiliate network telling me to re-check my creatives for an app install offer im running as aggressive landers cant be used (I'm using the virus angle) or risk being banned and withholding my payments

Somehow they managed to find my lander (I think?), how do I hide this from them?
Eg DMR in Voluum? Hiding referrrer? Etc?

I'm currently Cloaking, and using 302 in Voluum tracking settings
What cloaker? Many use Adplexity for spying .... they just have to add in their offer domain. A DMR won't help against this.

If you run volume it's really easy to track down for advertiser.

03-04-2017 10:43 AM #3 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Don't advertise stuff if network/advertiser never allowed it. It's very easy to track placements down. It's not fair to the network/advertiser + you will get a bad name + you risk not getting paid.

03-04-2017 11:21 AM #4 popcorn9257 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stickupkid View Post
Don't advertiser stuff if network/advertiser never allowed it. It's very easy to track placements down. It's not fair to the network/advertiser + you will get a bad name + you risk not getting paid.
Agreed, some offers explicitly state "No virus angle".

03-04-2017 04:14 PM #5 denys_gonchar (Member)

You're probably referring to Mpire and their Apex Tech "friendly reminder" emails that were sent out. I received about 18 of them yesterday.

Basically, Apex is looking to scale with Mpire and they're warning everybody to be on their best behavior.

But as far as referrer stuff - DMR is not reliable. You can also try rel="noreferrer noopener" with your CTA but nothing is a 100%.

Most advertisers are up to date with tech, so they search through AdPlexity and its difficult to hire your LP from AdPlexity.

03-05-2017 03:13 AM #6 aloeveraa1491 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by denys_gonchar View Post
You're probably referring to Mpire and their Apex Tech "friendly reminder" emails that were sent out. I received about 18 of them yesterday.

Basically, Apex is looking to scale with Mpire and they're warning everybody to be on their best behavior.

But as far as referrer stuff - DMR is not reliable. You can also try rel="noreferrer noopener" with your CTA but nothing is a 100%.

Most advertisers are up to date with tech, so they search through AdPlexity and its difficult to hire your LP from AdPlexity.
Thanks for your tips

May I just check how do they search through Adplexity to find my LP if I am cloaking it?

03-05-2017 03:52 AM #7 aloeveraa1491 (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by jessejames View Post
What cloaker? Many use Adplexity for spying .... they just have to add in their offer domain. A DMR won't help against this.

If you run volume it's really easy to track down for advertiser.
Im using Fraudbuster
How much volume of traffic are we generally referring to?

Also, do you have any recommendations to hide LP from the networks/offer owners when they spy by Adplexity?

03-05-2017 04:16 AM #8 denys_gonchar (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by aloeveraa1491 View Post
Thanks for your tips

May I just check how do they search through Adplexity to find my LP if I am cloaking it?
I think that's what everybody wants to know, and those that do won't tell lol
I even emailed Voluum support and their response was that the only way to cloak from adplexity was through IP.
I think iFrame and JavaScript redirects are another way to reduce changes

03-05-2017 05:04 AM #9 erikgyepes (Moderator)

These things mean business (to all sides), so I'm afraid they won't be openly discussed here.

What I can recommend though is to hire a smarter tech guy and try to come up with a solution.

03-08-2017 11:46 AM #10 denys_gonchar (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by erikgyepes View Post
These things mean business (to all sides), so I'm afraid they won't be openly discussed here.

What I can recommend though is to hire a smarter tech guy and try to come up with a solution.
Is that what you did Eric?

And agree, nobody will talk about it openly. Masterminds is a way to go

03-08-2017 01:03 PM #11 mrbraun (Moderator)

Hey!
I really recommend to talk with your AM and find the way. Edit your LPs and be calm. I know about 20 people who got fines from $1000 to $50 000.

03-09-2017 04:15 PM #12 cbrughmans (Member)

Always better to work with, rather than against, your advertiser/network. There is a reason you can't run certain angles. If you want to work long term with your advertiser or network, the best approach is to respect all campaign conditions, and convince them to help you to scale. Or explain them why you need that lander, and if you can't convince them to use that lander, ask them what the minimal changes would need to be in order to be able to use the lander.

03-09-2017 11:01 PM #13 Beligra (Member)

I have to agree with cbrughmans. Perhaps there's a legal issue as to why certain angles aren't allowed and they don't want to be exposed to a lawsuit. No advertiser would say don't run a certain angle because it makes too much money for you and them. 99% of the time it's due to legal reasons. Breaking these conditions is a good way to get booted from the offer and lose commissions.

03-10-2017 03:28 AM #14 Mr Payne (Member)

Some offers are almost impossible to make profitable without pushing the limits. So while its best to work together, sometimes that just means being transparent with your affiliate manager, no matter your approach to promoting the offer.

There are ways to significantly reduce being found both in the spy tools and from referer leaking. Hire a dev or come up with a method that helps to hide your tracks. Identify the problem and work backwards to build a solution.




Andrew

03-10-2017 08:17 AM #15 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

"Some offers are almost impossible to make profitable without pushing the limits. "
Leave them then or give feedback how to make the offer better... why would you even bother touching it and push unneccessary limits?

03-10-2017 12:56 PM #16 Mr Payne (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stickupkid View Post
"Some offers are almost impossible to make profitable without pushing the limits. "
Leave them then or give feedback how to make the offer better... why would you even bother touching it and push unneccessary limits?
You do it for the money, plain and simple. Assess the risk vs. reward scenario, devise a strategy and move forward. It's not for everyone but on pop traffic and for offers like antivirus pin submits, utility apps, etc. there is only one way to run them.



Andrew

03-10-2017 01:09 PM #17 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by Mr Payne View Post
You do it for the money, plain and simple. Assess the risk vs. reward scenario, devise a strategy and move forward. It's not for everyone but on pop traffic and for offers like antivirus pin submits, utility apps, etc. there is only one way to run them.

Andrew
"offers like antivirus pin submits, utility apps, etc."
Most of these advertisers allow a lot of stuff, since they know it's needed to convert. So I am quite surprised advertiser is limiting his angle, unless aloeveraa1491 running these offers via content lock flows, where he isn't providing the content he promised. Also values can be really really low with certain angles, so advertiser has all the right to complain.

If an advertiser explicitly ask you to not run certain angles/branded stuff, and you still do it, imho you should be banned from all networks. And ofcourse you shouldn't cry when it happens. You might understand better when you have your own product/service running via networks. It's a disaster sometimes.

03-11-2017 04:53 PM #18 Mr Payne (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stickupkid View Post
"offers like antivirus pin submits, utility apps, etc."
Most of these advertisers allow a lot of stuff, since they know it's needed to convert. So I am quite surprised advertiser is limiting his angle, unless aloeveraa1491 running these offers via content lock flows, where he isn't providing the content he promised. Also values can be really really low with certain angles, so advertiser has all the right to complain.

If an advertiser explicitly ask you to not run certain angles/branded stuff, and you still do it, imho you should be banned from all networks. And ofcourse you shouldn't cry when it happens. You might understand better when you have your own product/service running via networks. It's a disaster sometimes.

I understand your point and agree to some extent. My main point is, some advertisers set these 'restrictions' already knowing that affiliates will break the terms because that is the only way to make the offers work. There only purpose in setting strict terms is to make sure they have an easy way to do chargebacks if they get under too much pressure.



Andrew

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