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02-16-2017 12:28 PM #1 simant (Member)
Can wanting it too much hold you back ?

Hey STMers.

For a while now I've been into the Law of Attraction way of thinking, not specifically to do with The Secret per se, but more the whole concept of like-attracts-like and manifesting things into reality through positivity, beliefs, visualization, etc ...

How many of you think your own deep held beliefs made you or broke you ? I can definitely see how someone who keeps saying "This will never work for me" and firmly believes it, will have a much harder time than someone who keeps saying and truly believing "I'm gonna do this", despite the fact that the downer guy also takes action. But does his belief that he won't do it actually stop him from achieving it ?

I'd be interested in hearing from successful people and non successful people on this one. What's your relationship with money and success, and your overall mindset towards it ?

Can trying too hard (wanting it too much) end-up sabotaging your goals ?

Do you successful guys believe you can always attract money and success, and how does your mind work regarding this ? Do you even have any deep beliefs behind what you're doing ? And I'm not talking about the physical stuff of setting campaigns up or picking offers, I'm talking solely about the Law of Attraction way of thinking. Do you practice it or have you used any other methods to condition your mind for success. Do you even believe in it, or is it just some hippy-dippy woo-woo bullshit to you ?

Can any of you point to a change in beliefs for turning things around ?

Personally I find this stuff very interesting. But now and again I do wonder if it's a real issue, or whether self help only ends up creating another barrier to success because it's designed to keep selling you more product that you "need", i.e. you can't be successful unless you truly believe it will be so, and I can show you how. Or should I say "You won't be successful unless you buy my CD box set training course at the new low price of $997".

Thoughts anyone ?


02-16-2017 12:54 PM #2 manu_adefy (Veteran Member)

Hey simant,

I don't want to sound dismissive with the question: How old are you?

The reason I'm asking is to get an idea of your experience and to better answer by analogy to my personal experience relative to where you are now in life.

Cheers,
Manu.


02-16-2017 12:59 PM #3 flow_rian (Member)

For me personally that kind of thinking would equal to wasted energy cause if you really want it you go out there
and take action! There should be no more if's than that...

For sure there are people out there that want your Money and it is up to you to question them.

Go out there and get what you are worth, never settle and dream big.

"Can trying too hard (wanting it too much) end-up sabotaging your goals ? "
The only problem for yourself is you and the only solution is also you! Think about that.

Cheers...


02-16-2017 01:04 PM #4 simant (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by manu_adefy View Post
Hey simant,

I don't want to sound dismissive with the question: How old are you?

The reason I'm asking is to get an idea of your experience and to better answer by analogy to my personal experience relative to where you are now in life.

Cheers,
Manu.
Hey Manu,

I'm 51 (and a half)


02-16-2017 01:12 PM #5 simant (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by flow_rian View Post
For me personally that kind of thinking would equal to wasted energy cause if you really want it you go out there
and take action! There should be no more if's than that...

For sure there are people out there that want your Money and it is up to you to question them.

Go out there and get what you are worth, never settle and dream big.

"Can trying too hard (wanting it too much) end-up sabotaging your goals ? "
The only problem for yourself is you and the only solution is also you! Think about that.

Cheers...
Thanks for the reply.

"The only problem for yourself is you and the only solution is also you! Think about that."

Sure I know that already. But that also comes down to mindset and self help, which brings it back round again to the original post.

By the way, in my IM "career" I've taken plenty of action, believe me. But I can never seem to make a breakthrough, and I started to question why. And that led me to exploring mindsets and beliefs.

FYI : I firmly believe I will make it one day because I never stop trying and I can see me doing it. BUT, when I'm "in the trenches" getting my feet dirty with campaigns and stuff, I do tend to slip into the whole thing of "Oh God, not another campaign that bombed", or "Why can't I make this work ?", or "Man I'm getting sick of not progressing", etc etc... Yet I still do believe that I will make it one day. Strange, but true.


02-16-2017 01:28 PM #6 manu_adefy (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by simant View Post
Hey Manu,

I'm 51 (and a half)
Cool.

Like I said, the reason I asked is so I can better make an analogy to my situation. I turn 26 in a few weeks by the way

I watched The Secret and read up on The Law of Attraction when I was in high school, about 9 years ago, and it made me quite interested. The idea of achieving success by thinking it into existence seemed to good to be true... And it was.

Though it has nothing or little to do with the concepts usually part of this Law, my experience so far tells me that environment has a big impact on your development as a person and on your success. You have much more life experience than me and can make an even more detailed analysis on this: How similar are you to the people in your environment/circle of friends? And you can also apply this to your acquaintances.

The biggest thing that helped me, not turn around since I was just starting my life outside of school, was learning poker; and I mean in depth strategy about it, not just the rules. The reason why this was so helpful was because I started to understand how I am affected by unlikely, but possible events, that have a very quick impact on my life. The biggest issue someone has with succeeding in poker is their mindset, and how they react to losses. That is no different in business and other aspects of life. As a concrete example of what I mean by possible but unlikely, I lost several times in situations where I was 99% mathematical favourite, for more money than my parents earned in a month at that time.

The competitive personality that I am made me work on this part of myself - so I can win against the other players; it also made me realize that successful people hangout with other successful people. I also saw high school friends being taken down by their friends, and saw people trying to do the same to me... Not in a malicious way but in a "work less, party more with us, don't be a loser" type way. You know, like seniors in high school would do

It was around that time that I realized that I should start shaping my environment because it will also shape me - that's a more realistic way of putting the law of attraction into practice. In other words, the videos, documentaries, books, etc. - I don't think they have much shred of proof behind them, aside from the clear positive effect of motivating people. Where things get serious is when you know bad things can and will happen and it's how you cope with them that matters. You can calculate your risk tolerance (not just financial risk), and make decisions that will generally have higher upsides than downsides. And in order to do that consistently, it helps to interact with like-minded people.

I was very easily convinced by these concepts back then, I even almost got sucked into an MLM by how good it sounded. Nowadays, I am much more sceptical of claims of any sorts and try to do my research for topics that matter for me. If there's no evidence based on the scientific method, I don't think it's much more than placebo. I rate the Law of Attraction around the same level as homeopathy/alternative medicine - anecdotal at best. And if you have been in affiliate marketing for a few months, you can understand why it's very sensible to be cautious about claims made on the Internet.

Cheers.


02-16-2017 01:40 PM #7 stickupkid (Senior Moderator)

I never read and I never think about money or succes. I just do what I like to do and money comes in eventually somehow.

"People who think too much are wasting time not doing anything." stickupkid - 2017


02-16-2017 01:47 PM #8 simant (Member)

Thanks Manu.

Yeah, all interesting stuff and I know that friends can bring you down, especially if you're trying to break free of what they consider normal and safe, and you spend more time pursuing your dreams than going out with them to drink. Generally people get scared and uncomfortable when a friend or relative suddenly wants to break free of the norm and make a better life for themselves, because it holds up a mirror to their own lives as much as anything else.

I'm a bit on the fence about all tis self help / LoA stuff, but you can't ignore the whole thing surrounding books like "Think and Grow Rich" which is supposedly the thinking that lay behind the successes of very many self made men.

Of course you can't ever think things into reality. There always has to be massive action behind it. I think The Secret fell down because it made people believe that they could sit on the sofa watching TV while scratching their nuts and eating potato chips, and at the same time visualize a new Ferrari outside their house and it would somehow materialise out of thin air. It made a lot of people think that was all they had to do ... create a thought and keep thinking it and Hey Presto. Whereas "Think and Grow Rich" specifically says you need to take huge action towards your goals.

But, how much of TaGR was down to thinking you can be successful, and how much was down to taking the action it advocated ? How much is mindset ? I dunno.


02-16-2017 02:04 PM #9 simant (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stickupkid View Post
"People who think too much are wasting time not doing anything." stickupkid - 2017
Indeed. Great philosophy to have.


02-16-2017 04:01 PM #10 manu_adefy (Veteran Member)

Mindset is everything. That's what enables you to take calculated action, push through failures, stay grounded in reality when big success hits, etc.


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