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Native & POP Unders arbitrage (13)

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Hey guys ,

I was thinking to start arbitrage and got the website up and filled it with ads , then thought why not testing it with pop unders ,

So started my test with a shit load of ads on the site (which was a bad mistake "against rules")+ sent alot of traffic with pops from zeropark & Tonic

and then the results was as expected .. I got a negative adjustment with all the rev earned due to low quality and the AM told me it was even beyond low quality + ads was over 50% of the page , So I installed fraudbuster on my links and did another test with these sources and for who don't know fraudbuster , it's a cloaker which has a bot defense feature and that's what i used , i redirected all bot traffic "which was 30% btw" to smart links & sent all the good traffic to my pages again + followed the rules in my page but then My AM told me the quality is still very bad and i won't be paid anything ..

Actually I know Pop visitors already get disturbed by these POPs that comes out suddenly while watching or reading something so they'll most likely close that pop but some of them will be interested in the article i provide and though they will read and probably click my native ads cuz absolutely popunders converts .. So i still don't understand why is the quality still CRAP , I am absolutely missing something or there is a way to improve the quality of the traffic i am sending .

So Guys , I hope you have any ideas on how to improve this source quality !

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Hi Ahmed, I'm working on some Native arbitrage myself. I'm pretty new to the game and haven't quite made it to breakeven yet. Are your pop unders native ad widgets or video links? Did you ask your AM for a blacklist?

If you want to chat/mastermind PM me.

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Few options come to my mind :

1. you still bought a fair share of bots, which simulated clicks
2. you are doing everything possible to get clicks on the ads - blending it into the sites design so it looks like part of the site, putting ads everywhere so there is almost nothing else to click on.

You need to find a balance with point 2 - the thing is, native ads are indeed meant to look like a normal part of the site, but it's not to be the only clickable content. The more widgets, the more clicks, but the lower the quality.

Ah btw : Do I understand it right that you are selling traffic to some native networks by running their widgets?

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1- i totally agree with that , My AMs just told me 30% of the traffic never ever reached the landing page which is pretty weird , 2nd thing "they look at a lot of metrics related to visitor behavior and patterns that don't look like natural behavior are indicative of invalid clicks." .. I am trying to get the best quality out of that traffic source tho and make it profitable .

2- I had 1 3x3 widget at the top which took all the space above the article , 1 3x1 at the right and 1 3x3 at the buttom with no place to navigate through the site except by clicking one of those ads and that's the mistake i mentioned earlier in the top of that post and i then removed the first widget and left the others ..

And yes that's what i am doing matuloo .

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Well, pops are not the best source for producing ad clicks, even adsense for example doesn't allow to serve theirs ads on sites getting POP traffic, cause the quality of such clicks is low. To successfully run arbitrage, you need to learn how to produce articles that will get shared by people naturally. Make some good ones, post them on FB and boost them to see if they can get any traction.

And definitely don't slam the widgets all across the site, keep it at a reasonable level.

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I was thinking to create a landing page with a big image of a viral article and a call to action button to view that article on my website so that i will eliminate some big part of bot traffic and probably ppl who will enter the next page will be interested to read and then they might behave as normal users , do u think that would work to improve the quality a little bit ?

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I did some testing on the actual same thing couple of days ago.

The results were not so bad at all, I got around 2% CTR and it was doing almost break even.
However the CTR rapidly fell in the next day, to about 0.3% not exactly sure why.

I sent the users to random posts on the site, so they not hit the boring homepage, but instead see catchy articles.

Also make sure you cache the whole thing as pops can really heat up your servers!

BTW may I ask which native networks you used?

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I'm glad i finally found someone that tested it ,

so i need to know how was the volume u sent , pop unders traffic networks , why the CTR was low cuz i was getting 8-10% and what did your AMs told you about the quality ?

I tested Revcontent & content.ad

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It was just a quick and dirty test on Adnow, I don't have any AM there.
Revcontent needed at least 300k visits which I naturally didn't have yet.
Volume was around 30k/day.

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Revcontent never required me to do a min volume , so were you running these pop unders directly to your monetized pages or you had a landing page before that ?

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Don't know, but at least my site/widget was denied: "Thank you for your interest in Revcontent. At this time your site does not qualify to run Revcontent widgets. We evaluate applications based on traffic, site audience, geography, and content."

I run directly to my site to the article, no LP.

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probably because u didn't have a contact inside , you seriously need one if you are going to test with them again !

and i think we are doing it totally different

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Usually, any intermediate step will increase quality, because the users showed some interest by clicking further. But in many cases, the fall-off is too big for it to work. I used to "trade" traffic in a similar way, sometimes it worked, sometimes the loss was too big. Definitely try it though.

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