Banners and offers the same everywhere! (20)
Hello everyone!
As I progress in this business, I've been noticing that on Traffic Junky websites such as, Fapdu, Xtube, Xhamster, etc...
I see the same variation of banners connecting to the same offers. I can refresh over and over again.. And the same banners will rotate with the same offers.
I guess what I'm trying to understand is, there must be tons if not thousands of affiliates doing adult desktop but it appears like there are so less variations being offered ( banners/landers/offers ). Almost appears like there's ONLY a handful of affiliates advertising on these sites. I hope this makes sense and am I crazy to think this?
I appreciate all comments!
I hope Matej will give you a more qualified answer as he is in the adult space for a long time, but 2 reasons why it could be happening:
- those affiliates could be buying on a flat rate - so the bough out the whole inventory for a fixed period
- they got really big budgets and exclusive deals with offer owners ie. bidding high with low frequency caps and no one else can really compete them because of the unique high payouts they secured for themselves
Another reason is that generally affiliates are lazy and ripping each other, so you see the same banners/landers/offers all over.
You are right, there really isn't all that much variation in adult these days. As Erik mentioned, everybody is copying from the rest, so at some point, it looks the same wherever you look.
This isn't exactly good for the industry, as the offers get saturated quickly and users are getting bored by them, which results in poorn conversion rates.
This being said, whoever comes up with something innovative will definitely earn solid revenue.
The only advice I can give you, is to try to separate yourself from all the copycats, if you are about to rip stuff, at least modify it a bit. That's what I'm always doing, I almost never rip&run something, my designer always makes at least some changes or he uses spytools only to get inspiration.
The low variation on a source like TJ also has to do with how their algo works, bulk of the traffic goes to only a few top bidders so you see stuff from the same people over and over - hence the low variation. It looks different when you go to exoclick for example, the variation is better there but still, you will see similar stuff wherever you look 
Hi Matuloo,
Thanks for the reply! It seems as tho adult would be hard to profit from.... In you opinion, is the competition not as fierce in PC compared to Mobile?
Since I already have you here, I have a separate question in regards to the
I set a new campaign on TJ. I have 4 banners + 1 lander + 2 offers.
When I check stats, Under TJ standard 8 variables that I plugged in, I can't seem to find the variable that shows me stats for my 2 offers. I want to see which one is performing better.
I set the paths with 2 offers both with 100 weight.
Thanks!
Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
I would say PC is less competitive than 3G mobile, but wifi mobile is less competitive than PC. Wifi mobile could be a good pick for dating, many people have problems to deal with the unintentional clicks, cause they screw up the stats and make optimization harder ... but if you can find a way to deal with this, it could work well Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
Thanks!
Right now I'm targeting US only.. Would it be ideal to try UK and CA?
OR any other GEOS....
Many thanks!
Forgot to ask!
How do I make sure
Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
If you want to stay in US and the other English speaking GEOs, start building your relationships with a select few affiliate networks, work on the quality of your leads and plan to start working with direct advertisers - there is no other way around it, you need the higher payouts in these competitive GEOs - all the major TIER1 geos are like this.
Thanks again for the advice!
I'm actually working on ED and Testo Offers... Any advice those niches? Same questions apply previously but in terms for ED and Testo.
Thanks X 100!
Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
Don't expect to test with the same budget as when going for leadgen. $1000+ is a decent testing budget for ED and testo boosters.
Originally Posted by macbookmarketer
Just wanted to chime in as someone who is making his way through Adult
When I first started (maybe 1 1/2 years ago) I started in the US geo. I read all the tips about starting in a smaller geo but I was like "F*** it, I have a big budget" so I dove in and lost $xx,xxx over the next year or so.
If I had to do it all over again I would've started in a smaller geo to learn the ropes. Sure did I learn a lot running negative in the US? Totally. But I could've got that education a lot cheaper (oh well).
I would recommend a Latin America geo (ie MX, AR, CL, BR etc) as opposed to a smaller Euro geo (ie CH, AT, DK, NO etc) just because you can get a lot of cheap clicks which will help you learn the testing/optimization process. Of course the offer payouts are a lot lower, but some of these countries have so much traffic (ie Mexico, Brazil) that you can get thousands of clicks daily so your creatives hit statistical significance over a shorter period of time (say a few days).
Don't be fooled at the small payouts, my first profitable campaign was an offer in MX that paid $0.35/lead. I was able to make about $1500/mo for a while before it died with barely any optimization as there was so much traffic and not a lot of competition.
Now I'm a little more seasoned and looking to jump back into the US but it's tough. Like Matuloo said you're going to need a higher payout than everyone else, and the only way you can do this is if you send a BIG amount of volume. Bid prices are just too high to make it on a street payout in the US. You're also going to need A+++ creatives which really I think you can only understand how to create after running some successful campaigns.
Anyway just my 0.02. Good luck in your campaigns!
Originally Posted by jabong82
When I first started (maybe 1 1/2 years ago) I started in the US geo. I read all the tips about starting in a smaller geo but I was like "F*** it, I have a big budget" so I dove in and lost $xx,xxx over the next year or so.
If I had to do it all over again I would've started in a smaller geo to learn the ropes. Sure did I learn a lot running negative in the US? Totally. But I could've got that education a lot cheaper (oh well).
I would recommend a Latin America geo (ie MX, AR, CL, BR etc) as opposed to a smaller Euro geo (ie CH, AT, DK, NO etc) just because you can get a lot of cheap clicks which will help you learn the testing/optimization process. Of course the offer payouts are a lot lower, but some of these countries have so much traffic (ie Mexico, Brazil) that you can get thousands of clicks daily so your creatives hit statistical significance over a shorter period of time (say a few days).
Don't be fooled at the small payouts, my first profitable campaign was an offer in MX that paid $0.35/lead. I was able to make about $1500/mo for a while before it died with barely any optimization as there was so much traffic and not a lot of competition.
Now I'm a little more seasoned and looking to jump back into the US but it's tough. Like Matuloo said you're going to need a higher payout than everyone else, and the only way you can do this is if you send a BIG amount of volume. Bid prices are just too high to make it on a street payout in the US. You're also going to need A+++ creatives which really I think you can only understand how to create after running some successful campaigns.
Anyway just my 0.02. Good luck in your campaigns!
US is cut throat for a newbie, it's simpy too expensive and pretty much impossible to crack straight away. You need to get the experience somewhere else, in some cheaper market, just as jabong82 did it - latam or asia for big volume, or eastern europe for still solid volume at a reasonable price.Once you know what you are doing, feel free to attack tier1 geos again.
Originally Posted by jabong82
When I first started (maybe 1 1/2 years ago) I started in the US geo. I read all the tips about starting in a smaller geo but I was like "F*** it, I have a big budget" so I dove in and lost $xx,xxx over the next year or so.
If I had to do it all over again I would've started in a smaller geo to learn the ropes. Sure did I learn a lot running negative in the US? Totally. But I could've got that education a lot cheaper (oh well).
I would recommend a Latin America geo (ie MX, AR, CL, BR etc) as opposed to a smaller Euro geo (ie CH, AT, DK, NO etc) just because you can get a lot of cheap clicks which will help you learn the testing/optimization process. Of course the offer payouts are a lot lower, but some of these countries have so much traffic (ie Mexico, Brazil) that you can get thousands of clicks daily so your creatives hit statistical significance over a shorter period of time (say a few days).
Don't be fooled at the small payouts, my first profitable campaign was an offer in MX that paid $0.35/lead. I was able to make about $1500/mo for a while before it died with barely any optimization as there was so much traffic and not a lot of competition.
Now I'm a little more seasoned and looking to jump back into the US but it's tough. Like Matuloo said you're going to need a higher payout than everyone else, and the only way you can do this is if you send a BIG amount of volume. Bid prices are just too high to make it on a street payout in the US. You're also going to need A+++ creatives which really I think you can only understand how to create after running some successful campaigns.
Anyway just my 0.02. Good luck in your campaigns!
Were you using onehourtranslation for your ads in Latin American. Also, what traffic source were you using? TJ?
Originally Posted by matuloo
US is cut throat for a newbie, it's simpy too expensive and pretty much impossible to crack straight away. You need to get the experience somewhere else, in some cheaper market, just as jabong82 did it - latam or asia for big volume, or eastern europe for still solid volume at a reasonable price.Once you know what you are doing, feel free to attack tier1 geos again.
Currently I'm in the green but with an avg of 2 cvr a day running only one spot. ($40 profit ) Averaging 50% roi. What should I do next to make more? Scaling and trying other spots? I'm currently at the top bid.
THanks,
Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
As for traffic sources I was using TJ, Exoclick, and Juicy Ads.
Oh! That's not too bad to get a lander and banner translated...Alway's thought it will cost more!
Have you ever tested ED offers? If so, which traffic source performed best for you?
I find that running my offer from 6pm-4am doesn't perform well...
Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
Originally Posted by Skyaffiliate
you can check their exact links using wheregoes.com to see if its actually the same affiliate or not. The adult networks are almost completely affiliates advertising, and affiliates tend not to innovate their ads as much as product owners do, hence you get very little variation.
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