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Idk... just me and my journey beyond my room's (11)

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Hi!

Here about me - http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ulblako-Hi-btw

What's I want? Money? Hm.. I don't think so (though... it could be helpful). Anyway I want success.
So I prepared to spend all my money what's I have. Now it's about $1.5k... +/- (already I spent $1k... don't ask how).

So, what's I have:
1. AdPlexity (once was bought for $150, then a twice for $5... but shh)
2. Voluum (until 22.12 and after half of month without payment, until 13.01)
3. What's else....
4. Exactly! You guys STM until 12.01
5. Two (2) days until my manager has a weekend and no one can approve the offers.

That's time I'm gonna spend for reading exactly these topic, Follow-along Campaigns. I already did read something... but I have free time and I don't know what to do all this time so... new knowledge will be perfect.



So, now I'm working with:
Affiliate programs: Clickdealer (for now only clickdealer... maybe I'll add Adsimilis... I just don't know nothing interesting).
Traffic sources: PropellerAds, PopAds, PopCash (sometimes) and #4 (maybe later)...
My love - antiviruses or sweeps

I'm gonna read all that I can find. When weekends will finished I think I gonna make something like that - http://image.prntscr.com/image/3510b...4fc05a2981.png

7:30 am, time for sleep. And sorry for my english (that's what I write everywhere )

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I think STM has a forum in russian, you might like it

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Yeah, maybe it is it - http://stmblog.ru/ but I need more than is there.

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First at all I want to advice read this to everyone:
1. Mr. Braun "Goal: $10 000 per day until 2017! v.2" - http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ntil-2017!-v-2
2. Charles Ngo "How to make it in affiliate marketing" - https://charlesngo.com/how-to-make-i...ate-marketing/
It's really gold posts.

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Testing the campaigns took 2 days.

For testing I choose these GEO: MY, RO, TR, BG, IN and TH.
Total 18 offers, 25 different landers which I ripped and changed (I added all scripts which I have and which should work) and 10 campaigns.

I had chosen some arab countries and landers, but when I saw it - I gave up... to hell it. No, really.. have you ever seen it... http://image.prntscr.com/image/f6cc6...d8a69e2bf.png? If I didn't leave it, probably I'd have committed suicide.

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At first, name of campaigns. They all have numbers, like #11x00. First two - it is amount of offers and landing pages (landers). The rest - random numbers... or words, it doesn't important. So, for example 25x01 means, there is 2 offers and 5 landers.
And.. camp it's campaign, I don't know is it short form or not... anyway..

This is stat for first day:

Camp 1, #35x00:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $1.7
Rev: $0
Profit: -$1.7
Need more data. I should get 40k per day, but I got only 0.7k... if tomorrow be same - I'll leave it. CPM is 2,7 and I don't see any reason to increase it at now.

[Dead from now] Camp 2, #15xNotAll:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $15
Rev: $0
Profit: -$15
"The offer xXxXx is paused now due to advertiser request." //oh, okey... camp 2 is dead.

Camp 3, #34x00:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $8.5
Rev: $0
Profit: -$8.5
No any conclusions. It needs more tests, there were some problems, so I need repeat it.

[Dead from now] Camp 4, #15x01:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $11.5
Rev: $0
Profit: -$11.5
Probably it needs more tests, but this GEO the same as "Camp 10, 15x02", so I just leave it and will work with "Camp 10, 15x02".

Camp 5, #33x00:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $8.05
Rev: $0
Profit: -$8.5
Waiting for tomorrow, 1.7/1k for TH was too few... btw, I got 5k impressions in PopAds, but Voluum shows me only 3k... the droplet is in Singapore, so I don't think the problem in it. Maybe... they have really bad internet. I've lived here about half of year so I definetly know it. Camp needs just little bit more time...

[Dead from now] Camp 6, 15xAll:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $15
Rev: $0
Profit: -$15
Dead. Landers and GEO are same with "Camp 4, #15x01", offers is different. But this offers reached the limits.

[Dead from now] Camp 7, 34x00:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $3.71
Rev: $0
Profit: -$3.71
Average bid is $4.8/1k, and I'll get 10k impressions per day... Really? I got 1.6k (by PopAds) and 1k (by Voluum), and.. I don't want to work with it. There are too little traffic.. if I set $10/1k I'll get 28k/day. I quit.

[Dead from now] Camp 8, 24x00:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $10.10
Rev: $0
Profit: -$10.10
Average bid is 0.38, leave it. But.. I have set up to get only vodafone (http://image.prntscr.com/image/bef0c...fd6e6d32a0.png).. instead it I got http://image.prntscr.com/image/53105...3c7f88cad6.png What the hell?

[Dead from now] Camp 9, 14x00:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $10.15
Rev: $1.92
Profit: -$8.23
Finnaly! First conversions... and now my life will never be the same again xD
But... what to do? Ok, +$5 more. But RIO -80%... bid $4/1k and 8k/day doesn't seems me like good result. I leave it.

Camp 10, 15x02:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $9.3
Rev: $5.4
Profit: -$3.9
And now we are here. RIO is -41% and I think it has a future.
Will work

Total:
Spent = $93
Revenue = $6
Profir = -$86
RIO = -92%

At the and of the day I stopped all campaigns. It's only test and it wasn't done (some camps were banned, some - got too few the traffic... I won't work with GEO which have less than 5k per day), so I just stupped it. As you can see almost all camps have RIO -100%... xDD

So, campaigns #2, #4, #6, #7, #8, #9 at now are dead.
Campgaign #1, #3, #5, #10 still alive.

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Next day 21.12 --

So, lets see the stats for 2 days:

Camp 1, #35x00:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $18
Rev: $9.2
Profit: -$8.8
30% of clicks was lost... RIO = -49% (and all conversions were got only from offer #2), it needs optimisation. Much better than other campaigns.

Camp 2 is dead.

[Dead from now] Camp 3, #34x00:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $27
Rev: $0
Profit: -$27
Leave it.

Camp 4 is dead.

[Dead from now] Camp 5, #33x00:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $20
Rev: $0
Profit: -$20
35% of clicks was lost (xDD it's funny... I think it's okay but still... )

Camp 6 is dead.

Camp 7 is dead.

Camp 8 is dead.

Camp 9 is dead.

Camp 10, 15x02:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $11.51
Rev: $7.2
Profit: -$4.31
Yesterday were something like that - http://prntscr.com/dmbynx and http://prntscr.com/dmbykf So I turned off wifi and tablet. After it I could to get 2k clicks per day.... I don't see any sense to work with it, even if I can turn off the lenders (http://prntscr.com/dmbzwx).... the amount of traffic still sucks.
I made a couple of copies campaign #10 for other traffic sources, but they have too few traffic, too. At all of them I spent $6 and got no one conversion. So I skip stats of these campaigns.

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Total for 2 days:
Cost: $159
Rev: $20
Profit: -$139
RIO: -87.5%
So, what to do from this point? Hm... let's see. I don't know what to do with campaign 10... I think I should to finish with it. I don't know how to make $10/day, not to mention about $300 and more. And I gonna look closely to Campaign #1, it's more interesting. And I need to find more offers. I'm trying to register in MUNDOmedia and Adsimilis... and Zeropark too, wait for approve.

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Holy moly!!

Don't know how I missed your follow-along!

First of all I want to say - MAD PROPS for your willingness to test so extensively! This is one of the very hardest psychological barriers for many newbies. So good job on that!

Now that you've grown accustomed to testing a lot of stuff, let's improve your test approach so that you can save money and STILL test a lot of stuff.

Several suggestions to start:

1)I would suggest to focus on several geos and test ALL landers you can find on adplexity, and all offers you can find for a certain vertical (antivirus or sweeps). You've been testing too many geos.

2)Start by ripping all the different-looking landers on adplexity that you can find in the right language, for your chosen offer type. Ask your AMs to recommend a couple of offers (2-3) that they know other affiliates are getting conversions for, and make sure the payouts are very similar. Use these offers to test all those landers, and cut down to a winning lander.

3)Use that winning lander to test ALL the offers you can find on all the aff networks you're with.

Usually you won't see profits until the second stage, when you're mass-testing offers. In the initial test where you're testing and cutting landers, you may still make profits if you're lucky, but the aim should be to cut landers until you have a winner. As long as you're not losing a lot of money, I would say to just invest into finding this winner lander.

In the second stage where you're using the winning lander to mass-test offers, the aim would be to find a profitable Offer > Lander > [Major Traffic Segment]. If you can find at least one, you'll have a profitable camp.

What are major traffic segments? They are traffic segments that can give you enough traffic volume to make enough money for the camp to be worth your effort in running it. E.g. Android or IOS, Android Browser or Chrome Browser, wifi or a big mobile carrier.

So, you'll need to regularly drill down into Offer > Lander > OS/MobileCarriers/Browsers/Etc. to see if you see any green with at least 2 conversions (the 1st one doesn't count because the 2nd one may never come or come really late). The more of these profit pockets you see, the more promising the camp will be.

There are only a few days left this year and the holidays are just around the corner. I wish you the most prosperous year 2017 and do look forward to your next update!



Amy

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Hi

Thank you, but you see.. I just don't have time for to stretch... I have to make it now and make it fast - learning how to earn money. There no another way.

I knew how it make - $1k/day, so... yes, these numbers is nothing. Save as much money as I can - it is great! As I have a limited budget...

I think you're right... I noticed that I can't process all these data. But also, it is the faster way to learn how it to do. I'll try to test as much offers as possible without loss of quality...
Amount of money and amount of time... what to do the best? I don't think someone has answer to this question...

Hm... my main purpose - make profit. So I won't cut the lenders until it will be definitely red or worst for other within 2-3 days or 2-3 times.

Yeah... For now I don't know how to increase the traffic except increase a bid or use one more traffic source... you see when I cutting unprofitable parameters - there or too few traffic or I need increase bid in 4-5 times (unprofitable) for get at least something...

Thank you for response! Happy new 2017 year for you too

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Which day is today? Anyway it doesn't matter until time, when that day will be the last day in my life. But if that day isn't last day in my life, then it doesn't matter. Yeah... statistic....

Let's see... I've ended with all campaigns of last try, except Capmaing #35... there was offer that has good RIO.. so, I concentrated on it. But you see... I have cut bad offer and accidently have cut this good offer, too... and left bad offer... so... [crying] all stats and money was wasted (http://prntscr.com/dn82zb).
Actually I'm laughing (maybe because it could work?) but it's really.. how could I made... okay, never mind. I'll just forget it and testing this offer again (at this time - correctly).


So, what is new... I finally got access to ZeroPark and after some time I'll try it. Also I got one month Voluum for free, my Voluum will end in 12.01 so... I just will register a new acc for get one free month... you know, money has tend to end. I try to register in Mundomedia but it is not easy... in any case there is really cool manager (I think so). He wanted to call to me... actually I can't imagine how it would because my English even now crying... but, it's gonna be funny. Adsimilis has russian support, she said she calls to me.. about 4 days ago but she still didn't it.

GEO: HU / RS / GR/ PL (before I worked only with countries which are available for me in popads - http://prntscr.com/dmf5k4 | but to hell it I want more, so I just forget about PopAds and will use other media sourses)
Offers: 21
Landers: 32
Camps: 5

[For now it is yesterday] So, at today - 24.12:

Campaign 1, #57x01
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $0.9
Rev: $0
Profit: -$0.9
Come on guys, give me MORE traffic. Do not be slugs. Okay, I have to increase a bid, but at during bid I have to get 91k per day, what's wrong with you, Propeller?

Camp 2, #48x02:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $9.2
Rev: $0
Profit: -$9.2
Need more tests, around 2*more

Camp 3, #46x03:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $1.25
Rev: $0
Profit: -$1.25
It is not serious -_-

Camp 4, #46xFcar:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $8.8
Rev: $6
Profit: -$2.8
Test must go on.

Camp 5, #45xSand:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $3
Rev: $0
Profit: -$3
I'm falling asleep...

-------------------------- From last try.
Camp #35
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $10
Rev: $2.4
Profit: -$7.6
As I said before - wrong offer and all stats was wasted.




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I was had to increase the bid for all campaigns... in 2 - 3 time more. So volume of traffic for $30 turned less than I expected....
First numbers - today, second in the (brackets) - common for 2 days.

[Dead from now] Campaign 1, #57x01
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $25 (26)
Rev: $0 (0)
Profit: -$25 (-26)
Leave it.

[Dead from now] Camp 2, #48x02:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $11 (20)
Rev: $2 (2)
Profit: -$9 (-18)
Leave it.

Camp 3, #46x03:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $6 (7.25)
Rev: $0 (0)
Profit: -$6 (-7.25)
$10-15 more for testing.


Camp 4, #46xFcar:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $9 (18)
Rev: $0 (6)
Profit: -$9 (-12)
A little bit more testing


[Dead from now] Camp 5, #45xSand:
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $1.6 (4.7)
Rev: $0 (0)
Profit: -$1.6 (-1.6)
Leave it. Look down at the same campaign but on the PopAds.


[Dead from now] Camp 6, #45xSand:
Source: PopAds
Cost: $20
Rev: $0
Profit: -$20
Same as above, just PopAds. Leave it.


-------------------------- From last try.
Camp #35
Source: Propellerads
Cost: $38 (84)
Rev: $46 (57)
Profit: +$8 (-24)
Profit it's good, but still it is weird. Need more testing.

Camp #35
Source: PopAds
Cost: $13.5
Rev: $4.5
Profit: -$9.5
Same as above, just PopAds. PopAds showed less perspective... keep testing.


So... what we have...
Total for 2 days (all time):
Cost: $157 (338)
Rev: $60 (81)
Profit: -$96 (-275)
RIO: -61% (-76%)


What to do next... I don't know... probably right now I'll take a break and finish testing campaigns and only then take a new offers for testing. Camp #35 definitely has future, it's time to find the best landers... but before it I need more statistical data. Campaigns 3 and 4 - I think there is no profit, but I'll keep testing as long as I didn't spend my allocated budget (about $20-30.. there are 4-5 offers and 6 landers, so...). I gonna concentrate to Camp #35 and these two before continue testing new offers. Also I have some problem, so it will be good to not involve my own problems to the AM.


P.S.:ZeroPark I have hope you have more traffic.
P.P.S.: Let's see... my balance is going down. I had $1.5k, I have saved as much as I could (adplexity $5/month, voluum 1 month for free) but still... so I'll gonna make that I solved before beginning this survival game. I'm gonna sell my MacBook Pro 13' 2015 (about $1k) and all of my IG accounts (3 accs = $1k+). With MacBook no any problem, but accs.. in Ukraine getting money to PayPal is unavailable. But in abroad almost all people use PayPal, so it's gonna be problem. Anyway I has idea and it can work, so let's see what happens next. Will I have to sell my MacBook and IG accs or not
P.P.P.S.: Are you excited?

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Btw guys, could someone give really useful posts around here or somewhere else? I'm reading charlesngo and some posts here but I can't find what could help me with my journey (I still not read mr.green... should I?).

I think I should change my strategy. You see... Every time I get really a lot of useful information on the way my testing. But at the same time I noticed that I can't make right conclusions of them. So, my new strategy:

It's good for saving money, but question of time still right here... what do you think about it? I think it is not have a sense... I don't want to stay at one point too long.
I don't know how it make... I only know - it must go on.

So... how not to sink at this hurricane of invisible opportunities... xDD

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You're right about balancing the amount of time vs. money, and I'm like you in that I prefer to not test very deep, but instead to test broad. However, you can test a lot of stuff while saving money if you dig a little bit deeper into each geo+vertical combo instead of spreading so wide so fast.

Simply put: The more testing you do in a single geo+vertical+targeting, the more data you have, and the closer to profits your next round of testing can be.

For example, if you rip and test enough landers in the first round of testing, then you should have at least one good lander at the end of that test. You've already spent the money, so it would be logical to make full use of that lander - by mass-testing offers! If at that point you look at the 1-2 offers you've been using to cut landers, and say "these offers aren't good enough - let's try another geo", then you'll have wasted all that investment of time and money.

Another example: Say you've found a good offer, and you're using that offer to cut bad placements. When that camp dies, it doesn't mean you've lost everything, because you've invested money into finding out which placements converted the best. So maybe a few weeks from now, you can ask your AMs if any new offers have come up for that same geo+vertical. Heck, even if it's a different vertical, it would be good to just test it on the good placements first - chances are you can save money.

Building on stats from past camps can give you a big advantage over affiliates that are starting to test the same geo+verticals from scratch!




We've all been there so no worries. All we can do is try to slow down and be more careful. We're human after all, and humans make mistakes.


It was just before the holidays - so everyone must have been rushing to get work done. I don't think AMs will be online very much, until after New Year's. May be a good idea to pause campaigns - if anything goes wrong you may not be able to get in touch with your AM.


Also - you're all over the place and not giving us enough details. Nobody can give feedback without knowing details. Just telling us profits and costs won't help.

If you're planning on selling your macbook and IG accounts, it means you don't have much money left, so PLEASE SLOW DOWN and focus on 1-2 camps at a time, so you can pay as little as possible to learn the same lessons!

For example, as a minimum we'll need to know these campaign details:

-How many offers and what their payouts are
-How many landers
-What you're bidding
-Which geo
-Which vertical
-How you decide what to cut and when
-Various stats from your tracker
...and basically why you do every step.

Fantastic! Looks like we have the same opinion about your current test approach!

I would suggest NOT to test all landers with all offers at the beginning - doing that would make things messy and complicated. I would suggest using 2-3 offers that your AMs know have converted for other affiliates - you need at least 1 offer that convert well enough to help you cut those landers! Make sure those 2-3 offers have very similar payouts, because when you cut landers using the split-test calculator, it assumes every conversion to have the same payout. The more-different your offers' payouts are, the less accurately you'll be cutting your landers.

And of course bid average or above to ensure the traffic is good quality.

Aim to find a good lander in that first round of testing. Then in the second round, use that good lander to test all the offers you can find.

Let's aim to learn a basic test strategy, and then we'll analyze stats to see how to optimize. But please consider NOT launching so many campaigns at once - you're bleeding money that could be put to better use!

Affiliate marketing is definitely not something you can rely on to make quick profits if you're a beginner. If you're in this much of a hurry, it's very possible to lose everything you have and STILL not see a single profitable camp. Also, know that for pop traffic, many camps will only stay profitable for a few days. So you'll need to spend your money wisely, and take the time to learn the basics - I cannot stress this enough!



Amy

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Thank you for response

Let's see... your examples are very useful, thank you. I didn't think about these approaches to it.... Right now I'm waiting for monday to get approved some offers and testing them on the best lender. After it I gonna change it, little bit... or rip similar

About placements... hm...I think one group of placement works enough good only for one certain GEO and one certain kind of offer. And, probably, other parameter (carriers, os etc). Isn't? Anyway from these examples I see more variants for testing...

Yes, I don't have much money... it's about $1k... and now I have one profitable campaign (honestly, $8 profit per day looks little bit pathetic.. really... it is not seriously) and one interesting statistic. So I decided concentrate on these two campaigns. First at all I gonna try to get max profit from it. And after a few days - start a new campaign. So, I will get profit and testing new campaigns will be less tragic for my wallet (what's about me.... I don't have any emotions to it... it's not $1k/day, so it is not impress me... but it could be a way to make me exited).

My own battle is not finished. If I can't to make it by myself - I'll tell you everything. But right now I want to do it by myself. It's like challenge to myself. I see you advices and they are very useful, don't think that I ignore them. Thank you for it

I even now have not much, so I prepared to lose everything. I made this decision about 2-3 years ago when I left the college. And I still follow it.

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This is true. You can start a good/bad placements list for every combination of parameters, but that would not be very efficient. I would definitely suggest having different lists for each geo though, and also for wifi vs. carrier/3g/4g traffic, and MAYBE per offer type.

$8/day in profits in not pathetic at all for a beginner!

And focusing on a couple of campaigns first is a FANTASTIC plan! That way you can learn everything you can from these campaigns first, and THEN maximize your success for all future camps.


I'll respect your choice. If at this point you're not looking for very detailed guidance or feedback, it's up to you. It's still good to do this follow-along to keep yourself accountable, and I'll try to provide assistance when I can - in spite of the lack of details.

I have nothing against your wanting to spend everything you have to make AM work. All I'm saying is, if you only have 1k left, it would be best to take it slow, and learn from 1-2 campaigns at a time, instead of testing a bunch of geos and collecting a little bit of data for each and then ditching them.

But based on what you said in your last post, I know you're on the right track! Looking forward to seeing you succeed. Hang in there.




Amy

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