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the question of money to experienced colleagues (15)


12-12-2016 08:48 PM #1 sc2alone (Member)
the question of money to experienced colleagues

Next question. When we are talking about some kind of bar in money every day - what it mean? meaning the daily earnings to a successful advertising campaign or in recalculation for a certain period of time, such as year, quarter or month.

Now I will explain what I mean. Earning two weeks for $ 10k on a daily basis, but six weeks to build profit campaign is not the same as earning $ 10k daily for 6 weeks.

Is it possible to stably and make certain level every day without stopping? or it is necessary to understand that for some time with no options will be losses for some time to zero for a time profit? For the quarter are recalculated.

and how a long way you must go through to get out on facebook at $ 2k on a daily basis? (I understand that the way everyone has his own, but just tell opinion)

I understand that I wrote muddled, but decided to ask the questions that need to be put out of my head RAM. )


12-12-2016 10:49 PM #2 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

It's not possible to give you an answer regarding how long it's gonna take you to make 2k a day, you might make it in a month and you might never make it at all. Manu wrote a great article about this just recently : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ke-Money-in-AM

When it comes to daily fluctuations in your earnings, there will certainly be ups and downs. Every clever affiliate marketer tries to diversify their income streams, so when one goes down, the other ones still make some profits. So if planned carefully, you shouldn't see many negative days once you master the game, but they can still happen of course.

This is the way I operate with my team : we have some SEO sites that make a baseline info, even in case we decide to stop buying any traffic. Our paid campaigns always focus on 2-3 verticals and on top of that, we work with several traffic types.

This way, we are more immune to loosing all income all of a sudden.


12-12-2016 11:09 PM #3 sc2alone (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
It's not possible to give you an answer regarding how long it's gonna take you to make 2k a day, you might make it in a month and you might never make it at all. Manu wrote a great article about this just recently : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ke-Money-in-AM

When it comes to daily fluctuations in your earnings, there will certainly be ups and downs. Every clever affiliate marketer tries to diversify their income streams, so when one goes down, the other ones still make some profits. So if planned carefully, you shouldn't see many negative days once you master the game, but they can still happen of course.

This is the way I operate with my team : we have some SEO sites that make a baseline info, even in case we decide to stop buying any traffic. Our paid campaigns always focus on 2-3 verticals and on top of that, we work with several traffic types.

This way, we are more immune to loosing all income all of a sudden.
Excellent answer, man.

Now to the question of the type of traffic. Do I understand correctly that the following types of traffic should proceed only after having mastered perfectly At least one and not sprayed before this time?


12-12-2016 11:14 PM #4 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by sc2alone View Post
Excellent answer, man.

Now to the question of the type of traffic. Do I understand correctly that the following types of traffic should proceed only after having mastered perfectly At least one and not sprayed before this time?
It would definitely be a good idea to learn how to work with one traffic type, before moving to the next one. This doesn't mean that you have to start making big profits with 1 type before you can start using another one. Many people can't make one type work, but once they switch, the profits come. Just make sure you know what you are doing, don't jump from one thing to the next without properly learning how to utilize the first one first.


12-13-2016 04:40 AM #5 manu_adefy (Veteran Member)

Fluctuations exist to a great extent in affiliate marketing, especially when relying on offers to exist and drive your revenue. Offers get paused, change payouts, change conversion rates very very often.

I think it's best to treat your affiliate marketing venture like any other business and certainly track monthly, quarterly and yearly, then you learn more about how you can predict and what your actual bottom line is.

Like Matuloo said, he uses SEO websites with have less variation, as the baseline. That's more predictable on a day to day basis than media buying for some CPL offer for example.

You shouldn't get stuck into this race to max daily profits, in my honest opinion. You should focus on improving your process all the time so you can repeat the results over and over again, just like a consulting business would do. Then your numbers will look more like those of a real business, and your process will become an asset.


12-13-2016 05:58 AM #6 erikgyepes (Moderator)

This industry is a roller coaster with big ups and downs. No guarantees.

Focus on your process and keep improving your systems and methods.

You can gain more stability by diversifying your campaigns by tapping into more verticals and geos.

If something goes down in one area, you still have bunch of other stuff that works and you don't feel so much of the pain of losing 1 offer or geo completely.

And as Matej pointed out you can also diversify into other areas beside AM.

But generally don't be fooled when someone says he makes 10k/day that it means he does 300k/month.

The math in AM doesn't work like that most of the times.


12-13-2016 08:22 AM #7 kisscoder ()

Like Matuloo or Manu, I would recommend to create assets.

Don't just buy traffic to send to offers .. Try to play the long term game by creating Assets.

Assets could be SEO websites, Brands, Prospect/Customer List, Goods, Community, Process Automation... who can generate automatic revenue streams.


12-13-2016 08:30 AM #8 sc2alone (Member)

And how much clean time per day do you stand out in the affiliate marketing?

I have so far published 6 hours. But I will explain. It is 6:00 of pure focused work, I work under the stopwatch, and if I'm going to drink coffee, the stopwatch stops when I'm talking on the phone stopwatch stops. So at the end of the day, my head does not work at all, but I have time to spend at one hour meditation or something, one hour to read, an hour on sport. When I read that a person works for 12 hours, then I can not imagine how this is possible. This is a minimum of 16 hours of dirty time without household expenses, no sleep, no rest. In my reality, so it is impossible to be productive. I mean really productive work, rather than a routine activity that is sometimes could be.


12-13-2016 09:32 AM #9 evy123 (AMC Alumnus)

Quote Originally Posted by kisscoder View Post
Like Matuloo or Manu, I would recommend to create assets.

Don't just buy traffic to send to offers .. Try to play the long term game by creating Assets.

Assets could be SEO websites, Brands, Prospect/Customer List, Goods, Community, Process Automation... who can generate automatic revenue streams.
@Kisscoder can you elaborate a bit more about SEO websites and what you mean when referring to Goods and Community?


12-13-2016 09:53 AM #10 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by evy123 View Post
@Kisscoder can you elaborate a bit more about SEO websites and what you mean when referring to Goods and Community?
Check this article on my blog : http://www.matuloo.com/small-niche-sites-with-huge-roi/
Keep in mind it's an old example and nothing extremely special, but the system is there and you can still do the same.

As for the time to spend on AM per day : to me it's a full time job, but I don't follow the regular working hours.

- I rarely wake up sooner than 9:30, and I rarely start working sooner than 10:30...
- I go for lunch around 13:00
- then keep on working until 17:00 or so
- I go home and spend time with my family and kids
- when everybody goes to be, I am at the computer again and usually stay up until 01:00 - 02:00 a.m.

You could say that I work 2 hours before lunch, 4 more hours after lunch and then some more in the evening, which can be anywhere between 2-6 more hours.

The work isn't always "intensive" ... I write a lot, I read a lot, follow what's new etc ... but it's all part of the affiliate life.


12-13-2016 10:43 AM #11 cbrughmans (Member)

Great answers from everyone here on a difficult question that can be approached in many ways.

A lot of people are 1) afraid of money and 2) are impatient. These two factors are the single biggest killers to your own success.

Money is not a goal in itself, its a tool you use to make more and more profit. Its a means to an end. Don't be afraid to take calculated risks with it and invest it to learn, grow and eventually rack in big profits. It will happen, but it won't be direct. Which brings me to the second point that many (newbie) affiliates want to be profitable right away on their first 100$ spend. People that are in this business for a long time know it doesn't work like that. You need to be patient and be prepared to lose money for a while.

You also ask "Is it possible to stably and make certain level every day without stopping? "
What is still stable nowadays in this world? Nothing. So when you are making money on a campaign, scale it up as fast as you can and take your winnings before it dies out (you can be certain it will).

Invest in technology so you don't get stuck with your TIME as a limiting factor; one can only handle so much work a day. An algorithmn or machine can do all that work for you if you work in a processed and structured way. A big ROI on campaigns means nice profits but it doesnt build any value for your business, only propietary technology is a long term valuable asset

Then at the end of the year, when you see nice profits, re-invest some part of your profits but take out a big chunk as well and invest that in less risky assets (eg real estate, bonds, index funds, etc) so that it balances out the high-risk high-return business of AM you're in


12-13-2016 12:00 PM #12 johnaff (AMC Alumnus)

Consistency is possible if u do revshares on rebill products (ie clickbank) or other recurrining revenue prods (webcams, gambling, hosting, etc.)

16 hours a day is easy, just sleep faster


12-13-2016 01:29 PM #13 sc2alone (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by johnaff View Post
Consistency is possible if u do revshares on rebill products (ie clickbank) or other recurrining revenue prods (webcams, gambling, hosting, etc.)

16 hours a day is easy, just sleep faster
you can work 16 hours a day in the long term? We are not talking about how to work the 7 days, and then rest 5 days. And to really work the way a few months before the legal holiday.

I have worked and so and so. On moral volitional I worked a short period a lot every day, but then, just as with a profit, the translation of at least a quarter - in the best case, such a strategy may be equal in order to responsibly work every day less, but at a greater time interval. So I always am skeptical when someone says: "Yes, I work 20 hours a day", because I understand that it's probably three days about work and five days of rest.


12-13-2016 01:36 PM #14 thuglife (Member)

This is why when you've got a system in place, your next focus should be quarterly ad-spend.

Why?

CPM/CPC fluctuates, offers die.

The only thing that you can control is how much you spend.

Spend more.

Acquire data.


12-13-2016 03:22 PM #15 cbrughmans (Member)

You can only make money by spending money, so you should not be afraid to spend money.

Its important though to work according to a fixed process and have a disciplined testing method in order to filter the dirt from the gold.

Also a clear cut-off vs. scale-up strategy is important.


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