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Credit line facebook. (15)

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Hey. I want to ask. I absolutely understand that it is not the first I came up with this great idea. And that's why I want to consult with advanced affiliate.


1. There is facebook accounts with a credit line. Is it possible to farm these accounts and unscrew them advertising and then just delete?

2. What do you think about this? they may not be so easy, and probably impossible to farm with a credit line. Or perhaps not so that it's profitable. Probably, they will come to an end very quickly, and the time for the registration of new will leave enough and as a result more profitable to do everything humanly.

3. And what do you think, provided any Responsibility for such actions? Perhaps the one hand, if the account is personal and real, they simply refer the case to collectors. And if fake - simply write off. Or, they turn to the FBI, they like carders are caught and deported to the country you want?)))))) In any case, all I found - it is Daniel Gryunin who brazenly got advertising for 350 000 dollars, and just I not paid. But he did not even try to get out, but just do not particularly believe that Facebook will have something to do .. Moreover, it was an agency account, though he has his own advertising agency.


Thank you for your attention, my brothers and sisters.and I hope my English is understandable

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So you are basically looking for advice on how to defraud Facebook. And you post it here on STM. I hope that goes well for you.

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Your idea is a highly criminal activity towards Facebook. I would strongly caution you from attempting anything of the sort and avoid further discussion of it on STM.

After all, there are Facebook reps that read the forum...




Andrew

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Oh jeez

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Wouldn't that be stealing? It sounds like you want to borrow money without the intention of paying it back.

Besides the obvious moral issue.
We pay 15% extra on groceries because some people steal food and that loss of revenue is payed for by the customers.
Technically it's called 'Asshole Tax'
This community are Facebook customers.. the less we pay for clicks the better, so it's a bit of dumb question to ask really smart people.
Maybe we're completely misunderstanding your question though

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This is a genius idea!

http://www.law360.com/articles/62365...ebook-ad-theft

Law360, Los Angeles (February 20, 2015, 5:04 PM EST) -- A young trader who conned Facebook Inc. into extending high lines of spending credits for fake advertising accounts he then sold will have to pay $340,000 in damages and $75,000 in attorneys’ fees and is barred from accessing Facebook, a California federal judge ordered Thursday.
Martin Grunin, who last month was admonished by U.S. District Judge William Alsup for having “larded the record with a hodgepodge of documents,” must pay up for having abused Facebook’s advertising service and stealing money from the company, according to a short order on Thursday.

Grunin lost a default judgment in January after having filed no responsive pleading or stated innocence in the record, according to filings in the case. He had fired his attorneys and showed up in court to ask the judge to lift a default, but Judge Alsup denied it, according to a searing order granting default judgment in Facebook’s favor.

Grunin, who as a senior at St. Francis College in 2013 said on his men’s tennis team page that “too much money is not enough money,” used “unauthorized means” to obtain and sell access to Facebook advertising accounts that were unaffiliated with him and had large spending limits, Facebook said in its May complaint.

He also created lewd Facebook ads that purported to advertise “casual dating” sites, using photos that broke Facebook’s rules of use to direct people to a third-party site so he could collect a referral fee, Facebook said.

Shortly after the suit was filed against him, Grunin entered a series of strange documents into the record. For example, he filed a document conferring “special limited power of attorney” on a non-attorney called “Brian-Robert: Costello,” and filed a copy of the summons and complaint with a handwritten note that said,” I do not accept this offer to contract and I do not consent to these proceedings,” court records show.

Grunin also filed a “declaration of copyright trademark” claiming the right to his own name, and a notice that stated any future attempts to communicate with him or summon him to any “public court” would cost $1 million, according to filings.

He also said all phone calls would cost $2,000 apiece, according to court records.

Two attorneys, Andrew Gordon and Seth Weinstein, appeared in August on behalf of Grunin and persuaded the judge to set aside a default against him, but Grunin never stated innocence and didn’t specifically identify any defenses, Judge Alsup noted.

Grunin was given another chance to lift the default in October, if he agreed to pay Facebook’s attorneys’ fees for dealing with his improper filings, but he still didn’t declare his innocence, court records show.

In January, Judge Alsup granted Facebook’s motion for a permanent injunction and default judgment, to which Grunin had filed a statement of non-opposition. Grunin then said he wanted to proceed pro se and consented to the withdrawal of his attorneys, court records show.

In June, a Facebook page using Grunin’s name and photo as a “business” posted coverage of the lawsuit against him, mocking the tabloid headline that called him a “Wolf of Wall Street wannabe,” referring to the book and Martin Scorcese film of the same name about real-life corrupt stockbroker Jordan Belfort.

The account also posted a series of images of the lawsuit Facebook had filed against him.

Grunin created a series of videos posted to his YouTube channel discussing stock market activity, bragging in one from August 2013 that he had earned more than $11,000 trading in a single day.

His LinkedIn profile touts more than seven years experience as a “media buyer,” saying he bought media space for eHarmony.com, True.com, Match.com and others “to the tune of $x,xxx,xxx.” His profile also lists him as the owner of WinningPortfolio.com, a defunct website.

Grunin couldn’t be immediately reached for comment on Friday, and the attorneys who represented him during a portion of the suit didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment Friday. Representatives for Facebook didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

Facebook is represented by Judith Bond Jennison and Joseph Perry Cutler of Perkins Coie LLP.

Grunin represented himself.

The case is Facebook Inc. v. Martin Grunin, case number 3:14-cv-02323, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

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Hey guys, glad this discussion popped up.

Of course fraud is illegal, immoral and can create waves of negative side effects for all advertisers, as @gedeve pointed out. We all know it. But I can't help wonder what are you views on cloaking FB.

Why is cloaking "secretly" an accepted practice, while fraud isn't? Isn't cloaking as illegal & immoral as fraud is? Doesn't it make things shittier for all the honest advertisers?


Thanks,

C

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Cloaking isn't an accepted practice but fraud is straight up stealing.
Last I check this isn't the forum/community for that.

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Thanks to all who responded. Yes, now I see that this is not a good idea, well, that before I asked.


I was not going to do that, just had an idea and I decided to ask. So here it is fb agents and may be, the law enforcement agencies do not worry.

But in the continuation of the theme. I understand that there are certain criminal risks. Only because of this it is not necessary to do so.

But what kind of moral excitement?)))) I probably confused the forum, I think this is the forum where hang affiliates. Those who sell people fake slimming, enlargers penis and breast enlargers. Cloaking simply on the background of all this harmless tool. It would not be so if everyone is engaged in the installation of plastic windows, but not all of the above.

Affiliate marketing. No need to play the morality.

It Is What It Is, It Is, It Is
I Do This For My Kids, My Kids, My Kids
It Is What It Is, It Is, It Is
I Do This For My Kids, My Kids, My Kids (c) Ice Cube

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I'm surprised you don't see the difference

1st of all, not everything in affiliate marketing is about cloaking and non-functional products. You can sell books, goods, working supplements ... there are ton's of products. Nobody also tells you to cloak and don't think that majority of affiliates is cloaking, that's not true. If it was up to me, I'd vote strongly against cloaking, I don't like it at all.

And even with the products you named - diet supplements, enlargement pills etc ... they are usually made from ingredients that are believed to positively influence the problem they are supposed to help with. Just as some people believe that homeopathy will help them with their problems. Combine this with the strong belief in their minds and many of these supplements will actually help. On top of that, to buy the product is a free decision made by the customer and many merchants offer a money-back guarantee.

Willingly selling products that do not work at all is not really the best thing to do from a moral standing point and it's up to everyone to decide whether they want to do this or not. But at least there is that money-back guarantee and people decide on their own whether they want to buy it or not.

With the FB example, it's just blatant fraud, as simple as that. You agree to buy advertisement, they deliver real traffic, you take and utilize it but then you simply decide not to pay for it.

It the same as walking into a shop, taking some goods, using them and then refusing to pay for them. Walk into a restaurant, order food, eat it and then refuse to pay. And it's not that the food would suck either

You came with the idea to actually steal from facebook, for your own personal gain, don't be surprised you got some heat because of that ... I'd say the reactions were very calm actually

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It's all about INTENTION. I cloak not because Facebook bots will necessarily be disapproving my final destination, but because any blacklisted redirection link in between will have my ads disapproved. I therefore cloak to bypass an affiliate network's blacklisted tracking domain on Facebook, from others that have abused those links before me, and NOT to send Facebook bots to cnn.com and actual visitors to porn sites.


Are you happy in life?

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I have nothing of what I wrote did in the first post. It was a question of who what thinks. After reading the opinion, I concluded that to do so not worth it, better to grow as a professional. That would not be the best act - I agree.

but with the rest of your post is absolutely not. What percentage of white Offers revolves around the world in affiliate marketing? I do not argue, they are, but cammon, man. Affiliate marketing is a huge redistributive money machine. It basically does not solve the problems of customers, it redistributes money from those who have a desire for a magic pill, fast money, fast sex to those who know about it and knows how to remotely push the sore point. That's all. If people believe in what they are buying - it brings more frustration later. Do you have a pill that will lose weight? show me and I'll buy myself a box and stop going to the gym. There are pills for a penis? Well, you understand....)))

It is very often found people with double standards, which are simply lying to themselves. The only difference is one. The first illegally, and the second is not. You're making money. But do not try be a moralist. Its late)) (This is not an absolute or you personally, it's the overall picture. What's more, it's all subjective and can not be true, or may be))

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I know what you mean exactly, I just don't think it's as bad as you believe.

For example :

I'm pushing adult PINs, the users get access to some members area with pics and videos. Sure it's expensive compared to what is available elsewhere on the net, but then again, all paid adult content is expensive compared to free tubes.

Diet pills - there really are pills that will help you loose more weight than without them, you have to work out too, but the pills help too.

Take clickbank - there is a gazilion of ebooks in there, MANY have a lot of value. Even a poor ebook can have a lot of value for a total newbie on the subject.

SWEEPS - honest sweep offers will send the price to the winner, sure it's one in a few 1000s but so what? It's a lottery, that's how they work.

I could go on and but that's pointless. I agree that AM is about moving money, just like any other business driven by heavy advertising.

But a line has to be drawn somewhere. AM and dream selling products is one thing - legal and still requires the consent of the user. Defrauding FB for $ that you agreed to pay for service they delivered ... that's crossing the line I've drawn

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Now I see that you and I understand each other and speak with you in the same language, even though my English))) We are talking about one and the same, but for this we have a different attitude, and then argue useless, because as I think in this case there is no right or wrong opinion, there is my opinion and there is your opinion. They're just there.

Just if you do the right thing and to talk in terms of the service provided - re create accounts not ethical. Create accounts are not in your own name - just not ethical. This field he creates Facebook and rules of the game. Likewise, it provides a service to you, and in return you agree and mocked him. Like everyone who buys traffic there more than one day. Because bans is a matter of time.

And the law - it is a binary system of coordinates. Understood by all. Nevertheless, I honestly do not think that kind of situation, we are talking about can lead to some serious consequences. Of course, if we are not talking about $ x.xxx.xxx or more. Even in the instance where Daniil Gryunin nothing terrible had happened. All that dude is necessary - it is to pay $ 75,000 on top. And life goes on. Unless of course, he is not an idiot and not pulled all the money on cars and parties, and invested it somewhere, or let in the business. Hardly there is possible criminal penalties. But act ethically bad, yes.

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The thing is, I'm always working on the whitehat side of AM, so I have a bit different views than some other affiliates. That's all

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