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11-08-2016 10:08 AM #1 njerseycraig (Member)
direct apk offers

Reading Caurmen's mobile appetizer and he says to avoid "direct APK download" offers, what does this mean & why is it a good idea to avoid them?

Thanks
Craig


11-08-2016 10:27 AM #2 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by njerseycraig View Post
Reading Caurmen's mobile appetizer and he says to avoid "direct APK download" offers, what does this mean & why is it a good idea to avoid them?

Thanks
Craig
The way I understand it: APKs are files that Android phone users can download and install on their phones directly, without having to go through the playstore.

We should wait for caurmen to respond to this (and get the answer from the horse's mouth), but I know that at least some of the mobile exchanges will not allow the promotion of APK download offers.


Amy


11-08-2016 10:34 AM #3 erikgyepes (Moderator)

Yes as @vortex says, .APK is an app package for Android that you can directly download to your phone. The problem is that many time its used to distribute malware or other malicious code.

Also on some devices it's directly starting to download without need to confirm it.

Most ad networks do not allow direct linking these offers, however from my previous experience direct linking works best for these


11-08-2016 10:36 AM #4 caurmen (Administrator)

Yup, that's correct.

Some offers will be pushing APKs that for whatever reason they don't want to or can't promote through Google Play. Thus, in order to convert, they require users to download and manually install the APK.

That requires the user to be so incentivised to install that they are willing to go searching in their phone settings for an obscure "allow APK installs" setting, and ignore the dire warnings that come with it.

As a result, direct APK downloads tend to convert like shit.

In addition, a lot of traffic sources don't like them, because direct-download APKs are strongly associated with malware, and because for a while people were using a trick to just have them download on any phone that viewed a certain rich-media banner.

As a result of both those things, I'd recommend steering clear of them. They're usually presented as standard install offers with payouts that aren't high enough to justify the difficulty in getting them to convert.

(It's also worth noting that anything that can't be submitted to the Google Play Store tends to be more than a little shady, so even if you're not fussed by the above issues you should also consider if you're comfortable with that before running them. )


11-08-2016 10:48 AM #5 vortex (Senior Moderator)

That requires the user to be so incentivised to install that they are willing to go searching in their phone settings for an obscure "allow APK installs" setting, and ignore the dire warnings that come with it.

As a result, direct APK downloads tend to convert like shit.
Thanks Caurmen for the very detailed response!

That second comment in the quote made me LOL'ed!

I've only dabbled in APKs very briefly on pop before moving on to testing other stuff - for that exact same reason.

One tip though for those that are wanting to try promoting APK offers:

Adding some text on the lander to tell the visitor to anticipate that warning message, and reassuring them that the apk is safe, plus give some instructions on how to allow APK installs on their device - has helped the ROI. I didn't have enough patience to crack the code to get to green, but hopefully this little bit of experience will help someone!



Amy


11-08-2016 09:40 PM #6 njerseycraig (Member)

Thanks Caurmen, Vortex & Eric. So to summarize APK offers are basically those which come prepopulated on the users phone and they just have to click them to install/download eg. something like Gmail or Netflix. Would you say the same would apply to an app that is already being sold in the google play store by the advertiser and the affiliate network says is in their top 20 for revenue? As in I would be competing directly with the advertiser if I advertised in the app store, so maybe I should avoid it altogether or try marketing it else were, like in app advertising. What do you guys think? The app is already excellent conversion in major markets (I used app annie, but use the app daily anyway so I know its money). I have opportunity to market it in a non prime market.


11-09-2016 02:35 AM #7 erikgyepes (Moderator)

Actually to answer your questions, yes I noticed that some app developers have also their APK version of the app, with lower payout, but possibility to send incentive traffic to it, but most of the times its not the case and these APKs are totally different apps. Many times they are fall under adult category.

As in I would be competing directly with the advertiser if I advertised in the app store
Try pops or display - the payouts are low and you need to lock cheapest possible traffic combined with great lander and angle to become profitable in the app game.


11-09-2016 03:39 PM #8 caurmen (Administrator)

@njerseycraig - no, APKs don't come prepopulated on the user's phone. They still have to download them. And then they have to go through a specific series of settings steps to install them.

Regular Google Play Store offers would be the ones that are a one-click install.

If the app's being sold through the Play Store normally, you'd usually also be promoting the Play Store version if you're running an offer for it.

Can you give us a bit more information on the situation you're looking at? I'm a little confused as to exactly what you'd be promoting and I don't want to give you the wrong info there.


11-10-2016 01:24 AM #9 njerseycraig (Member)

Thanks for the input. The offer is to promote Uber in a non-major market. Im guessing promoting in the app store itself is a bad idea because Uber itself will be promoting the offer here. So I was thinking good ideas would be to promote it in other places. What do you think?


11-10-2016 10:03 AM #10 caurmen (Administrator)

Is this a conventional affiliate program? If so, your affiliate link will probably direct people to download from the Play Store / App Store anyway.

I wouldn't worry too much about competing with Uber themselves in this case - generally if a large brand is also running advertising at the same time as you're promoting them, the additional awareness generated from their ad spend helps rather than hinders campaigns.


11-11-2016 10:23 PM #11 njerseycraig (Member)

Thanks for all your help Caurmen. Not sure what is "conventional" but I'm guessing it would take them to the app store to do the install.


11-15-2016 08:04 AM #12 blueflag (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
Adding some text on the lander to tell the visitor to anticipate that warning message, and reassuring them that the apk is safe, plus give some instructions on how to allow APK installs on their device - has helped the ROI. I didn't have enough patience to crack the code to get to green, but hopefully this little bit of experience will help someone!


Amy
I wanted to add here something from own experience. We had some APKs in Tier 2 markets for adult around 2 years ago what was a great business. Mentioning on the lander that the app is safe is not enough. We faced the situation that people downloaded it but not installed and opened it. We made then something like a checkout page where we repeated again like a Mantra that the APK is save and that all the great content is away from it. I can not recall the exact numbers but it was a significant increase!

If somebody wants to promote APKs, you can contact me, then I can set some of the old offers live. We would accept here all kind of traffic without any KPIs


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