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Cloaking - Making life easier or a hassle? (13)

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Hey guys
I'm new to native advertising, but have been doing FB for 2 or so years back in the day, with cloaking.
I'm trying to get around cloaking and native advertising and really have 2 key questions regarding the issue:
1. Will consistent cloaking result in a ban ? If so, is creating another account generally easy?
2. Do prohibited landers really do that much better than WH landers?

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks

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Hey,

Cloaking will normally get you banned - native networks aren't a big fan of cloaking and are usually very strict in this ( depends on the network ) - getting a new account also depends on the network. Problem is if they find out that you were banned before they'll just snap ban you instant.

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Pretty much every network will ban you if they find out that you are cloaking and showing in-compliant landers to their users.

The most frequently cloaked things on native are celeb images, mimicking the design of a well known website and false bol statements mixed with fake comments - this is proven to increase conversions, but it's banned in most places.

I know for a fact that whitehat or borderline stuff can turn ROI too on native, you just need to find the right widgets for it. I'd rather do that, than fighting with the source over and over ... Im just not a fan of cloaking.

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1. Cloaking in native advertising will rarely result in bans on any of the big networks including Taboola, Revcontent, etc.
Facebook and Adwords are a lot stricter with Cloaking. You're coming from difficult territory, and over here it's a lot more easier.
Creating another account is easy - and you can buy them easily too. I've never had to create a new account - and if I do - it's very easy to fund it
with little verification.

2. Yes they 100% do. You can be as aggressive as possible with prohibited landers (news template, authoritative symbols, geo targeting, removal of
certain texts). As soon as I started using a non compliant lander - I was able to break even on my campaigns and eventually profit tremendously.

You need to cloak against the geo of the employees, against mobile, and proxies.

I have really good relationships with my revcontent and taboola rep.

Message me if you need help. We can work together.

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technically speaking how do you identify the proxies? through a third party db like maxmind or using a common paid cloak?
thanks

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I don't know if we're allowed to state publicly on the forum which cloaking we use (I don't want to get in trouble for promotion or "affiliate linking" which I'm not trying to do). But a certain one, you can just check it in the settings that if a proxy, VPN, or corporate IP is detected it will show your safe page.

Maxmind is a geo database and not for proxies.

Message me, and I can point you in the right direction.

I think the reason why I'm able to profit on native ad networks while most people fail, is because

1) they're either using low quality/conversion pages, and not getting good results.

2) or using a poor quality cloaking network, failing to quote and getting banned.

My AM is giving me a heads up before they're doing a manual review, so that I have time to keep my money page completely compliant as well during the time they're trying to find my money page.

Try to get to know your AM outside of email (ask for skype or their cell and give them a call).

They are aware that all their affiliates are using non-compliant landers and cloaking and they just want it pass compliances and be able to say they did their due diligence if an audit occurs.

The city for Revcontent's office is Sarasota, Florida btw. And Taboola has multiple offices (LA and New York).

The reason why I have a lot of credibility with my reps is because I ran native ads for fortune 500 companies (specifically, a top 5 company), and built good relationship with the reps at my prior gigs. I bring them volume, and they get a good commission/bonus based on our spend at the end of their evaluation period.

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thanks mate - good info

[just to clarify for other readers, maxmind runs a killer db of proxy/residential/isp ips called maxmind insights as well as the geo dbs]

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1. If you get caught, yes
Most native networks will check your IP, email, and especially payment details (credit card, name on credit card, paypal, wire info, etc.) when verifying your account. So you need to work around that when opening a new account.

2. Agressive landers/banners always work better but running non-approved banners always entails the risk of the advertiser finding out and then you give them a reason not to pay you.
Its always better to get your banners and landers approved so that you are safe on that and don't have to be afraid of not getting paid due to non-compliance.

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Hey guys, anyone here know how I can do cloaking to native ads? revcontent? thanks

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As suggested above you can divert traffic away through setting rules within your click tracking software. So the IF/THEN becomes : If from Sarasota (one of Revcontents offices) then show Compliant page, instead of your "money page" or you can use a 3rd party service with additional benefits like fraudbuster, noipfraud,justcloakit.

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Not and good idea. Voluum is not up for that task. Some clicks from the city / region / state will go through (tested that with proper cloaker behind Voluum). As well, they have IPs outside of Sarasota for manual account review.

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hi there do you still have relationships with reps? looking for taboola and outbrain reps

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Hey Lukaboz, Most of your questions were already answered.
However, I found it very easy to create new accounts after being banned, specially if you have contact with your account Rep. Their reply to getting banned is something along these lines: "I can't open a new account for you but I can for close friend or family member. hint hint"
So creating another account is generally easy.

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