First PPV--30 Day Trial Run! (46)
I have been running on FB for the last 6 months and I thought I would switch things up a bit and give PPV a shot. From what I have read it seems like TV is the place to run offers and that LP's are preferred over DL. With that said I don't know how to make LP's and I never got a response from TV to my application.
Traffic Source: Lead Impact
From what I have read if you run traffic with LI you should cloak. Not only do I not know how to make a LP I also have no idea how to cloak.
Vertical: Still haven't decided. I am torn between a gaming offer or an email submit.
Any suggestions on a vertical that might do well DL?
Network: I will be choosing an offer from either Wolf Storm Media or A4D. . . I like the AM's there.
Tools: I will be using the 40 day free beginner aff guide. . . . . . as my guide. lol
affiliate expert tools
Quantcast
Alexa
Budget: $15-25/day will decide after I pick the offer.
Tracking: I have P202 set up and will be using that to track CR
Next step. . . actually start a campaign!
Thanks,
Jonas
Rock on! It will be interesting to see how pans out!
You dont need to cloak on LI when you start out, and DL can work very well!!
Pick up the 40 day STM guide and follow the steps in the PPV section to get started!
I have read it and re-read it and will be glossing it over through out hte following weeks. I have decided to go with a gaming offer. . .
To re-cap the details are as follows:
Traffic Type: PPV
Traffic Source: Lead Impact
Delivery Method: Direct Linking
Vertical: Gaming
Offer: Conquer Online (Wolf Storm Media)
Tools: AffExpert, Quantcast, Alexa, and P202
Budget: $15
I am currently on my lunch break so I won't be able to post any updates until later tonight but I don't think LI approves all that fast anyway....
One question though should I make a bunch of mini campaigns targeting 15-20 keywords or a few campaigns with 50-100 keywords, AND if my daily budget is $15 day would you do that per campaign Ex:
camp 1 $15/day
camp 2 $15/day
Camp 3 $15/day
or
camp 1 $5/day
camp 2 $5/day
camp 3 $5/day
thanks
Jonas
I have my campaign awaiting keyword approval with nothing to do.
UPDATE: I have a direct link campaign up and running with 700+ keywords and have a couple things running through my mind.
1. shared hosting is it really that big of a deal on a $15/day budget and direct linking?
2. keywords is one campaign with a crap ton of KW's the way to go or do you break up your campaigns into like minded key words? like would you do a campaign with keywords only targeting WOW then another targeting gamestop, then another targeting fat kids with acne (not actually using this as a target)? I know with FB segmenting can be helpful but with PPV seems like you only need multiple campaigns if testing multiple Landing Pages (I'm not).
Will read through more wal through's and re-read the guide and watch more tutorials tomorrow as I wait.
hope this makes sense I am TIRED running on 3 hours of sleep and worked all day AND I had to type this twice because it timed out the first time.
feedback is always appreciated!
thanks,
Jonas
If your budget is $15 you should not be targeting 700 keywords unless they are all longtail. You will blow your budget in seconds and wont have enough data on any of the keywords to eliminate them.
What you can do is spend $1-$2 of your $15 budget, pause all but the top 10-15 targets (by traffic). Then run those targets with the rules set out in the guide re: views / ctr / cr and pause early. When you have used up those 10 targets, pick your next 10.
PPV + Shared Hosting is tough. I have not come across many shared hosting offers where you could have decent load/response times.
Use pingdom free tools to check how quickly your pages are redirecting to the offer.
Re: keyword again - you said you read the guide but your clearly not following the advice on keywords 
if you have low budgets you need to laser target your keywords. Start with 10-15.
Let me know how you get on!
tijn when you word it like that I just sound dumb lol. But yeah what's the point of reading something if you don't plan on following the advice and guidelines set with in.
Made some changes and this is were I am at:
Keywords: 15
Keyword targeting: I decided to target ONLY URL's that were place where one might go LOOKING for games. example if I was looking for jeans I would go to levijeans.com or guessjeans.com
So I did 15 different sites only using Url in the format I listed above so none of my domains look like guessjeans.com/ guessjeans. guessjeans.co just the standard guessjeans.com.
Results
555 clicks ZERO conversion.
I definitely feel like this is my first day on the job again lol.
I re did the whole campaign about two-three hours ago went to dinner with some friends and when I got home it was already approved and my budget almost wiped out. I know the guide said to start it for two days later but I thought what the hell it was over 24 hrs on the original campaign and it still wasn't approved so who cares....I was wrong. Most of my traffic went to one URL getting 464 clicks. Lesson learned.
the rest have anywhere from 1-65 clicks on them and Lead Impact has me ranked #1 on 12-15 URL's and #2 on two others and #5 on only one.
I am bidding .015
I deactivated the crap URL and will see what the others do.
Ask for details if I left something out!
thanks,
Jonas
Oh and one more thing, I went with VPS hosting with Beyond Hosting and already switched the campaign over to it!
advice for gaming on LI or TV....it varies alot from game to game....there are a ton of gaming sites out there....best advice I can give is to find a crap load of gaming sites....and by gaming sites I mean gaming sites where you go to play games.....then try to segment it out by demo...girl gaming sites and boy gaming sites....
then grab a bunch of games for each demo and put them in a rotator spend a $100-$200 or so worth of testing and by the end of that you should find a match.....you may actually find a few....then your break those out into dif camps....and work on variations of the keywords....
FML Beyond Hosting is giving me a 400 Bad Request don't know what that means but I have no idea about how many of these clicks are now worthless data. . . . gotta love the fact that nothing runs smooth with AM. . . . start all over tomorrow!
Update beyond hosting concluded the 400 bad request was only isolated to my laptopn(they couldn't get the error to show up on there end so that's good.
Day One Stats:
Keyword1 454 clicks 0 cr (I deactivated this URL)
Keyword2 172 clicks 0 cr
Keyword3 159 clicks 0 cr
Keyword4 54. Clicks 0 cr
Keyword5 34 clicks. 0 cr
Keyword6 8 clicks 0 Cr
Keyword7 6 clicks 0 cr
Keyword8 3 clicks 0 cr
Keyword9 2 clicks 0 cr
Keyword10 1 click 0 cr
Keyword11 1 click 0 cr
Keyword12 1 click 0 cr
Keyword13 1 click 0 cr
Keyword14 1 click 0 cr
Keyword15 1 click 0 cr
I spent 13.47 without any conversions.
Today not getting any clicks not sure why unle LI counted all my stats for today or something oh well we shall see if it starts running again.
UPDATE:
Not sure where I went wrong with the URL's. my mind's thought going through keywords was, "where do people go and get games?''. I tried picking places like gamestop which is more of a console type of game store, but I also targeted some online games sites, and similar mmo type games like WOW, and some that I don't know why I picked. I am going to have to take a step back and figure out where I fucked up.
Suggestions? Comments? Jokes?
UPDATE: After posting my previous post I had 1 URL get 2 conversions giving me -33% ROI on that particular keyword.
I decided to revamp my keyword list and submitted another 50-60 keywords all awaiting approval (I will only be running 15 keywords at a time though, just like the 40 day guide suggests). I just don't want to have to wait to get approval after each day so I will be doing keywords in bulk and only activating 15 of them and deactivate the crap URL's.
Still not using keywords just URL's once I find a stable set of URL's I plan on planning on scaling it with keywords.
Will post an update as soon as shit starts running again!
Jonas
I can't edit my post so this is just an add on to the previous post, but I wanted to mention that my new list of keywords is based off the one URL that converted for me. Hopefully that will take me down the right path.
Originally Posted by jonas33h
Originally Posted by jonas33h
Originally Posted by jonas33h
Using LI there will be a click discrepancy of 10-20% - Ie LI reporting 20% more clicks then you can see in your tracker or aff network.
Originally Posted by jonas33h
Originally Posted by polarbacon
Originally Posted by jonas33h
Always make sure you test your campaign URL before putting your campaigns live to make sure it is all working. I have lost a shedload of money cause I for example accidentally included the wrong offer URL, or forgot to add in the subid correctly.
Originally Posted by jonas33h
And when you say based on the URL that converted are you talking about URLs for pages on that domain?
Tijn
Awesome feed back . . . .
all keywords have been approved and I only have 15 running currently. ( I followed TIJN advice I had my ad set to run on sunday so I wouldn't lose control of my budget ).
example of what I did. . . .
Original keyword: target.com
I then went and searched for similar sites like target.com but I didn't not use any variation of target.com; so you I don't have any thing that looks like http://www.target.com/c/men/-/N-5xu2...=nav_t_spc_2_0
My plan was to find more URL's that have some type of conversion then move onto there domain variations. Hope that makes sense.
again thanks for the feedback and I will be posting the results later this evening as they come in!
DAY 3 RESULTS:
Will be pausing a couple of the URL's and adding more and watching the results on the rest hopefully they stay GREEN!
on an off note at least I'm currently doing $150 profit on my FB campaign. . . . should give me more funding for PPV!
thes ones with 307 and 270 clicks and no conversions I would probably ditch those.
UPDATE:
I deleted all keywords that have spent over $5 without any CR. I haven't added any so I will be running 10-11 KW's tonight see what turns up tomorrow!
So thus far monetary numbers look as follows:
Total Spent: 68.08
Total Revenue: 14.85
Net Gain: -53.23
Not sure what to make of the data so far. Even with the guide I still have that feeling of being overwhelmed which makes the whole process a lot harder. When you have to keep telling your own doubts to go fuck it's self it just drags out the learning process.
Id cut at $3 if no Conversions and Loss of $5 if conversions.
its like your top 3 targets, you have lost $20 on just those 3. For a $1.65 offer payout DL thats just too much.
Are you running the same offer from multiple networks? It could be that the offer just doesnt convert.
My gut feel on this one based on what you have posted is that its just not converting well enough. For something with a $1.65 payout you have sunk a lot of cost already.
Its probably best to move on and try another campaign.
Remember - even experienced affiliates regularly only have 2-3 out of 10 campaigns with +ve ROI. So dont get disheartened.
If you decide to pause this campaign, make sure you take an hour to look over the time since you started it and decide what you did right and wrong. Then just write down your own checklist that you will use in your next campaign.
Good lluck
Didn't have time to put together another campaign tonight. .. . but will get something together tomorrow and will post an update once data come ins.
List:
1. review old campaign
2. look for new offer/offers ( this has been mentioned not sure how effective rotating 2-3 offers would be though on only $15, perhaps the same offer from diff. networks?)
3. maybe I didn't do enough homework on my URL's when choosing so I will look into that before doing my next campaign tomorrow.
4. ? ? ? ? ?
5. Profit ? or jump straight to six
6. loss more money
I really recommend you pause this one, try some other campaigns, and maybe then come back. When your $50 in the hole on a $1.65 payout offer its going to take a lot of optimising, testing, and traffic to recover or even break even.
Whereas 1 new campaign could cover that loss within a couple of days.
Remember you can always come back to this one later.
UPDATE:
New Campaign: Last Chaos
I didn't get any work done yesterday had some dental work done and my jaw was to swollen and sore to want to get anything done.
I will be doing some research on the URL's that I target over lunch and throwing a campaign together when I get off work tonight so hopefully I will have some data by friday to update with some good info.
After the first campaign it was definitely tempting to go crawling back to FB but I made a commitment and plan on stick this out for 30 days at least and see where it gets me.
So far I have learned that I REALLY suck at picking URL's.
Not to overspend on stuff that doesn't convert. . . i will be pausing url's if they hit $3.00 with no CR and $5.00 if they have CR and are still not profitable.
PPV ROUND 2. . . .
ROUND TWO IS A GO-GO
sort of. . . just waiting on Keyword approvals.
Campaign PPV Gaming
Offer: Last Chaos
Payout: 1.65
Method: Direct Linking
Bid: .025 ( I was bidding .015 last time and didn't convert so the bump per view is kind of nerve racking)
What I did different this time around. Instead of picking a URL and pulling more URL's from it I used the related keywords tool sent that to the scrapper tool, scrapped URL's, then did related domains finder tool and uploaded all 246 URL's without slashes.
Although I did upload 246 KW's I will NOT be running them all at once I will do it in blocks of 15. Hope this goes better than the last campaign. We shall see.
will post results when they start rolling through!
Jonas
Good on you. Sounds like a good plan. Looking forward to seeing the results
So i fucked up and didn't do my tracking link right and sub id's didn't pass through . . . BUT on the bright side I am only at roughly -50% ROI which is an improvement.
So i will re-run the same list of keywords and get updates on what to keep and what to ditch tomorrow. Seems like my new approach on URL targeting is panning out better already. . . . but still not even close to reaching profitability.
DAY 1 STATS:
I plan on pausing KW 1 and will see how the others prefer and will be pausing KW's as they approach $3 with no conversions.
It sucks just doing $15/day. . . . seems to take FOREVER lol.
UPDATE:
I have paused the first 4 keywords and I am still running the rest!
This new campaign has been my best one yet, but I am trying to get to profits so my offer has better start getting better. It feels like I am not getting a whole lot done this month which sucks only $1000 in rev this month sucks. It's tempting to spread my self thin and dip back into FB as well as PPV but I need to stay focused on one thing for now. . . . it def. frustrating.
Total Spend:$36.00
Total Revenue:$24.75
Net Profit:-$11.25
your getting closer!!! keep focussed and profit will be here soon.
how many offers are you rotating?
I didn't know how effective rotating offers would be on $15/day budget so it is only Last Chaos from wolf storm media. The problem I think I am going to be facing now is a lack of volume with my current set of keywords but I will find out soon enough!
Just sat back with a juicy pear and read this whole journal and have gotten a lot out of it. Glad to hear you went from NOTHING in PPV to getting consistent mid xx days, so so so much potential here as people have said, like adding LP's, scaling out to other traffic sources, and playing with new targets/campaigns.
Will be starting my 30 day challenge shortly so hope it can be something like this one.
whoa very good bro
yeah so when you DL you run into the possibility of LI disapproving KW's because the ad your running has an exist pop so I can't add anymore KW's to it unless i figure out how to make LP's. I have been running on E the last few weeks and haven't found the motivation to figure it out.
on the other hand I have started running a gaming offer in addition to the payday loan and we shall see if I can get a gaming offer DL going. Last time I couldn't find any converting KW's hope this time is different!
Any recommendation on how to find solid keywords? Thus far i just scrap a whole bunch of keywords then take those KW's and scrap URL's sort by alexa rank than copy them into LI from Affexpert.
Once the gaming offer is approved I will post stats!
Gaming Offer Day 1 Stats:
Spent: $14.90
Revenue: $1.95
Net: -12.95
I don't understand why I can get ANY conversions with gaming offers?!?!?
I picked realated KW's to the game offer I am using scraped URL's based of the URL's. I am only targeting the URL's and have planned on using the positive ROI URL's to scrap keywords for. Any suggestions on how I can target for games any better? I am using affexpert totals which has alexa and quantcast features on them. Frustrating not knowing what puzzle piece you are missing.
Will update again tomorrow if I don't get more than 1 conversion tomorrow I will toss this campaign.
here's a suggestion: try asking LI for a list of their highest traffic targets for a few countries, take a look at those and then think what kind of offers could accommodate the demographics of a few of the top targets you select. That way you're going after the volume, which LI seems to have a lot of.
Kenny thanks for thinking out side of the box for me! Will work on it as soon as i get off
So, I thought I would give this thing a quick update since I haven't touched it in just about a month.
I have had a cold that put me down for a few days, then when I started feeling better I had to start studying for my series 6 exam and about two and half weeks into that I got bronchitis and I just now started feeling better. So, now it's time to build some more campaigns!
First, my first successful PPV campaign is still running and is still profitable even if its only a couple hundred a month in profit. Good news is I think I got the offer without an exist pop and will be trying to optimize that offer into something bigger!
Second, I really need to try to get into TrafficVance so I will be seeking out a referral over the next few days any takers?
Third already found two, three offers that I am wanting to test out!
Fourth, I have been feeling like my over ambitious self again so I will also be working on doing LP's again.
I am feeling 100% motivated again. . . if you don't watch this!
Jonas33h, you are an inspiration. I just started on day 3 of my ppv journey (using the 40 days method). If I can get slightly close to hat you achieve, its a success in my books.
Jonas33H, "Thank You" for sharing your journey! While I am currently in Cordova, TN (near Memphis), Dayton is where I was born and raised. Makes my heart glad to see a fellow Daytonian here and one that has found success! Will be starting my 30 Day follow along as soon as LI approves my account. If you are still looking for members of a mastermind group and don't mind a noob, let me know.
@bobbydean-- thanks, but remember there are alot more people on here to look up too lol like tijn, mr green, stack, just about anybody but me (I can't afford to do this full time yet), but I am just happy to be profitable. Last year I made $3000 profit for the year and I am hoping to have that made by may which is good. But like I said I am not even close to being a full timer but persistence is key.
@jtaylor-- tijn definitely did a great job of walking me through which helped me stay focused, but there is still lots to learn. I for one keep coming back to this thread to comb over things and it's well worth looking over if you are doing PPV. As you could tell I botched alot of things up so just expect things to not go smoothly (that's why I posted my screws ups/ struggles). Feel free to hit me up whenever I am always connected via phone/computer/laptop but might not actually respond because I am not always in front of either device aim: dirtydancing1187 skype: jonas33h
I have built a few campaigns and none have converted. I am currently trying to scale the volume on my existing campaign that is profitable so I can only imagine that profits will decrease or totally disappear while trying to grow it but I guess that is to be expected.
Jonas: have you installed the leadimpact software so you can see popups yourself to get an idea of what people are running?
Good thread! I've just been here for 3-4 days and start doing some PPV.
I've spent $50 and get only $13 in return lol
After reading your thread from the beginning, I get a lot of inspiration. THANKS!!!
Thanks for writing and sharing. Personal, pedagogical, and incredible inspiring.
Awesome thread, its super-inspiring see the red rows slowly turn into greens!
Ok so this is an old thread but still a great read. Quite inspirational. Thank you for taking the time post and share.
I have to read more of this kind of post!
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