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08-23-2016 04:33 PM #1 ivancy (Member)

Just to make sure as it's not clear enough in your opening thread, you are not promoting a 3g offer on wifi traffic, are you?

Usually 3G and WIFI offers are totally different because of the conversion flows, so sending expensive 3g traffic to a wifi offer is a waste of money and time.

08-23-2016 09:21 PM #2 aloeveraa1491 (Member)

Thanks for the reminder! Yes allowed traffic is 3g + Wifi

08-24-2016 05:02 AM #3 iAmAttila (Veteran Member)

You are running what everyone else is running; this attempt of yours will most likely not render big profits, instead it will serve as a way for you to learn the flow and get your feet wet.

If you want to profit on pops you need to run your own custom 'whitelabelled' offer and/or something no one else is yet running. If you run the same shit everyone else, unless you got a HUGE budget (We talking thousands of dollars to really analyze data) then it will be tough.

08-24-2016 05:55 AM #4 Mr Payne (Member)

Originally Posted by iAmAttila

Would you be able to share more insight on how to accomplish what you just mentioned, getting a 'whitelabelled' offer?

08-24-2016 05:59 AM #5 iAmAttila (Veteran Member)

Originally Posted by mrpayne

Would you be able to share more insight on how to accomplish what you just mentioned, getting a 'whitelabelled' offer?

A whitelabelled offer is nothing more than a custom offer page created just for your custom "angle".

Talk to your rep.

08-25-2016 04:27 PM #6 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by aloeveraa1491

BACKSTORY: Due to budget constraints, I took the advice of the senior STMers, and stabilized my financial situation first, (been juggling 2 jobs - 1 full time and 1 part time during last month!) while reading more on the forums, learning css, html, basic javascript, getting to really understand Affiliate marketing and now I'm back with a brand new rap! (Only this time, with Mobile POPS!)

Decided that Pops was gonna be better since I have 1 less thing to worry about (Mobile banners)

Hi Alex! It's REALLY great to hear from you again! And it's wonderful to know that you've taken action to improve your financial situation and have been busy obtaining skills that will be immensely helpful to your AM career. Two thumbs up for attitude and effort!

Review:
- The lander with alert pop just as you click the link (Warning! You may have a virus) is making my CTR super low
- Wifi campaigns made my budget burn out a lot faster at $0.0008 bid
- Carrier campaigns are super slow at $0.0008 bid
- Thanks to vortex's advice, I should have made 2 campaigns instead of 4, because running the offers in separate camps will subject them to different types of traffic (eg. from diff placements), which will make the split test not accurate
- Have not done bot test yet for the geo and placements

Yup! Having 2 camps - one for wifi and the other for carrier - would have sufficed. There's a LOT more wifi traffic than carrier, and wifi is cheaper also.

Are you testing PPV or Domain Redirects? I'd suggest testing PPV first as it has more volume.

It would also make sense to target adult and non-adult traffic in separate camps - that is, if your offers accept adult traffic. Again, this is because the 2 types of traffic cost different, and more importantly, will likely convert differently for your offers.

Setting up multiple camps with different bids to see which bid will perform best would be good practice, but if you want to go with one bid then yes - picking a higher-than-average bid would be good, because that way you wouldn't be getting bad traffic quality.

Also: 3 landers aren't enough to give your offers a good chance to perform. Lander CTRs are really low - I ran some VN AV offers earlier this year, and lander CTR was 20-60% on average. Try to rip a LOT more landers, and be sure to reduce loading speed as much as possible by optimizing the code and also hosting them on a CDN - if you need advice on how to do these let me know and I'll show you some of the relevant forum threads.

Final note:
- Well, that was a complete bomb! But I love every single moment of it, because I know that every failure is me being one step closer to success!

What a fantastic attitude! We all need to start somewhere - and taking the initiative to start a follow-along is definitely a great move!

Questions:

1) How to make the landers more aggressive to increase CTR? I know a few like..
- back button redirect
- entry, exit pop
- vibrations
- sounds
Any more ways?

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...Mobile-Landers

But really, for an initial test, you don't even need to bother adding features to ripped landers. Just rip a bunch of them and fix the errors so they'll work as intended, test them as-is, see which ones work well and go from there. Once you know which TYPE of lander(s) work(s) well you can test variations.

2) Any specific reason why the entry alert pop makes my CTR so low?

When used appropriately, entry alerts should improve things and not the other way around.

3) How to adjust my bid accordingly to know if I'm paying too high or too low? (for wifi and carrier) especially because the situation goes like this: ZeroPark does not have the bid-impressions graph (their support team confirmed)
- so in future how do I get a feel of the staggered bids (low mid high)?
- And is there a faster way to get the staggered bids value like this?

Unfortunately that's not a straight-forward question to answer. I usually pick these based on a mix of experience and intuition, and don't have a definite process.

For zeropark specifically: I'd say that if you're NOT seeing a lot of your placements at BPs (bid positions) of 1-2 for the "high bid" you chose, then maybe it would be good to set up an additional camp to test a yet higher bid.

One thing is certain: Testing bids is better than not testing bids. Doing so will give you a better picture of the profits potential of your campaign.

4) Are AV Pin submits still good in these days? Or should I just save the time and money and move to sweeps? Feedback verrrrrry appreciated!!

Sweeps is all the rage these days still. AV is an evergreen vertical, but according to afflow/monetizer stats, sweeps are doing better. Other ideas:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ou-Think-Of-It

5) Also, one more question, on Adplexity, I searched for "Virus" and saw that Zeropark volume for my search term was one of the lowest - should this be a cause for worry that I'm using the wrong traffic source?

Nice detective work!

Well now you have a list of traffic sources to test.

Amy

08-25-2016 04:36 PM #7 vortex (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by aloeveraa1491

Questions:

1) I find the bidding portion of Zeorpark really too slow, if I need to keep increasing the bid by $0.0001 everyday to see the flow of traffic, is there a faster way I can do it? Such as create multiple campaigns in Zeropark with staggered bids?

But even still, how do I know how much of the bid to stagger?
Example: $0.0009, $0.0012, $0.0015 - is this a guessing game if they don't provide the bid-impressions graph like PropellerAds does?

I would stagger by $1CPM increments (or $0.001CPV increments), or at the very least, by $0.50CPM increments. Yes it's a guessing game, but based on experience increasing by 0.0001 will not be enough to cause noticeable differences.

2) This question is meant more for future purposes, but I'd like to clarify it now: When I want to check on the placements, and whether all of my traffic are coming from 1~2 major placements, how do I check it in Voluum?

Under Campaign > Which option do I narrow it down to? I understand it may be either: V1: Target or V6: Source

You could check both - and cut using either/both.

The way I understand it: A "Source" is basically another traffic network that zeropark's brokering from, e.g. adcash, propeller. Whereas a "Target" is the end placement or website that's sending the traffic. So every Source will include a number of Targets, and when you pause a Source you'd be pausing all the Targets under it at the same time.

In zeropark if you see a source that's performing badly, you can click into all the targets for that source, and if a majority of the targets are doing badly, then pausing that source would be a wise thing to do.

Amy

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