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What's the deal with all this direct international ads? (14)

08-11-2016 11:56 AM #1 tenaciousd (Member)
What's the deal with all this direct international ads?

Hi,

I'm doing Natives since September 2014 and until now I can't get how can you get an international traffic with no lander to convert in a profitable rate?

08-11-2016 12:05 PM #2 antuen (Senior Member)

Im doing natives a little before that. But for me an offer without LP rarely converts. If your problem is getting the approval from traffic sources you should try some LP pertinent with the offer and dont forget to insert at the top of the lp "advertisement" and the disclaimer at the footer that quotes that the LP is an advertisement and not a real news article

08-11-2016 12:14 PM #3 tenaciousd (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by antuen View Post
Im doing natives a little before that. But for me an offer without LP rarely converts. If your problem is getting the approval from traffic sources you should try some LP pertinent with the offer and dont forget to insert at the top of the lp "advertisement" and the disclaimer at the footer that quotes that the LP is an advertisement and not a real news article
Yeah man I'm saying that I'm using only LP and RARELY direct, and when I do direct its only top tier countries.
I'm asking how is it possible to run direct on international, because I see many that are doing so.

08-11-2016 12:32 PM #4 antuen (Senior Member)

where are you checking those? cause many advertisers use cloaking, so you cant see the LP. What spy-tool do you use? cause i use Adplexity and i can find almost every LP used around

08-11-2016 12:35 PM #5 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

As Antuen told you, it's gonna be cloacked most likely, could be they split it somehow at the tracker level and try to minimize the loss by using some international offer. Or it could be someone testing something, could be also an advertiser collecting international leads from some reason, could be also a newbie burning money ... there are many options.

08-11-2016 12:38 PM #6 tenaciousd (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
As Antuen told you, it's gonna be cloacked most likely, could be they split it somehow at the tracker level and try to minimize the loss by using some international offer. Or it could be someone testing something, could be also an advertiser collecting international leads from some reason, could be also a newbie burning money ... there are many options.
Quote Originally Posted by antuen View Post
where are you checking those? cause many advertisers use cloaking, so you cant see the LP. What spy-tool do you use? cause i use Adplexity and i can find almost every LP used around
I NEVER user a spying tool, always spying manually with a VPN and changing my user agent to mobile/tablet if I need to.
And I can recognize cloaking and its not! It's actually direct.
And its not testing because I'm keep seeing that for a few months.
How can you explain it?

08-11-2016 12:43 PM #7 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by roketkobi View Post
I NEVER user a spying tool, always spying manually with a VPN and changing my user agent to mobile/tablet if I need to.
And I can recognize cloaking and its not! It's actually direct.
And its not testing because I'm keep seeing that for a few months.
How can you explain it?
In this case, the VPN is most likely not working properly or the adnetwork could somehow detect it and it's serving you some fallback campaigns for your GEO.

08-11-2016 12:43 PM #8 ploppythejailer (Member)

I see a lot of this aswell, especially with a lot of clickbank type offers.

You do notice though that 90% of those types of offers are being run by only a couple of affiliateid's, which always makes me think they maybe internal backfill or something.

08-11-2016 12:53 PM #9 tenaciousd (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
In this case, the VPN is most likely not working properly or the adnetwork could somehow detect it and it's serving you some fallback campaigns for your GEO.
My VPN is Vyper and I think it's working great. But maybe..

Quote Originally Posted by ploppythejailer View Post
I see a lot of this aswell, especially with a lot of clickbank type offers.

You do notice though that 90% of those types of offers are being run by only a couple of affiliateid's, which always makes me think they maybe internal backfill or something.
YES its always the same affiliates! What do you mean be "internal backfill"?

08-11-2016 01:03 PM #10 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by roketkobi View Post
My VPN is Vyper and I think it's working great. But maybe..



YES its always the same affiliates! What do you mean be "internal backfill"?
Ploppythejailer actually meant something similar to what I meant with the fallback campaign.

In can work in two ways : The ad network isn't able to sell all traffic/GEOs so they have an internal campaign setup that they use in such cases. Or it could be the advertiser, who has backup campaigns setup for GEOs that they are not interested in all that much. In both cases, these campaigns will be used for a range of GEOs or targeting segments.

Now all it takes is for the VPN to get detected by the ad network and you will be served these backup fillers.

08-11-2016 01:05 PM #11 ploppythejailer (Member)

I mean that it could be the actual networks running the ads, filling any unsold inventory.

BUT.. you do see these types of ads on prime locations that i doubt have any kind of shortage of advertisers. So they must be profitable for whoever is running them

08-11-2016 01:08 PM #12 ploppythejailer (Member)

matuloo beat me to it! lol

I see these offers allday/everyday on my home IP (UK & and my ip changes nearly everyday) so pretty sure the ones im on about arent backup/redirects for a big campaign.

08-14-2016 06:09 PM #13 tenaciousd (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by ploppythejailer View Post
matuloo beat me to it! lol

I see these offers allday/everyday on my home IP (UK & and my ip changes nearly everyday) so pretty sure the ones im on about arent backup/redirects for a big campaign.
Quote Originally Posted by matuloo View Post
Ploppythejailer actually meant something similar to what I meant with the fallback campaign.

In can work in two ways : The ad network isn't able to sell all traffic/GEOs so they have an internal campaign setup that they use in such cases. Or it could be the advertiser, who has backup campaigns setup for GEOs that they are not interested in all that much. In both cases, these campaigns will be used for a range of GEOs or targeting segments.

Now all it takes is for the VPN to get detected by the ad network and you will be served these backup fillers.
The point is I don't get how INTL traffic directly to the sales page of the offer (in english!) can convert with bids of 7 cents and above?

08-14-2016 08:06 PM #14 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by tenaciousd View Post
The point is I don't get how INTL traffic directly to the sales page of the offer (in english!) can convert with bids of 7 cents and above?
In case what Im saying is true, these ads are not sold using the standard rates or bidding system. There is ALWAYS some traffic left that nobody really wants: could be the 25th impression of one user in a spot where advertisers are using tight caps, could be a questionable impressions that is suspicious so the ad network wont serve standard ad to it, or a user from some weird GEO... there are many reasons. So in order to minimize the loss or simply to reach 100% fill rate, ad networks have these filler/fallback campaigns or they have a deal with someone who buys this remnant traffic at a discounted rate.

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