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Mastering PPV (57)

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Hey guys!

I have been doing PPV for few years, but past year or so I have been too busy working on my business and I have pretty much forgotten how to build good PPV campaigns so I'll start again.. from scratch.
I'll be using Propel Media and Voluum and S3 + Cloudfront for landing pages. Funding comes from my company.

Right now, I'll start with a nice Pokemon Go offer. I started with 1 LP and now added 2 more for testing the CTA.

Stats 2016-07-18 (so far):

Name: Pokemon GO 1
Visits: 98
LP Clicks: 6
Cost: $0.61
Conversions: 1
Profit: $1.02

Problems:

Traffic is fairly low for some reason.. I need to find more relevant keywords. Another thing that's bothering me is tracking traffic cost. Propel Media is not sending PPV cost so I have to manually update it, which isn't the best.

Plans:

Today I'll be picking few new campaigns and will set the up. What I want to do is get into credit niche because I have got some real sweet offers for it that convert well and pay well. So I have to figure out how to target them and build landing pages for them.

As always, all suggestions are welcome!

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Alrighty, set up 2 more campaigns. One is a little survey one.. second one is a bit more advanced credit score/loans combination. For that I built a little "tool" that helps people to get financing for their items that they wish to purchase.
Added few new keywords to the Pokemon Go campaign too, but it's creative got suspended :P so I'm waiting for it to get unsuspended. I will update tomorrow when I have seen more traffic and hopefully few conversions.

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Hey diplomat, you can add the {bid} token to your link in PropelMedia to get the actual cost.

iamatilla wrote a helpful blog post about the various tokens you can get PropelMedia to pass through:
http://iamattila.com/traffic-source-...rosscripts.php

Passing {keywordID} instead of {keyword} is also recommended if you want to hide your targets from prying eyes

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Ahh.. didn't know that. Thanks man. It will make my life so much easier.

I set up few more campaigns but traffic is real slow.. i hope it will pick up soon

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Okay so.. for some reason I'm not getting any traffic, even to my survey offers. I asked for a nice list of high volume keywords from Propel Media rep, but I haven't received any clicks from them as well (all bids are "HIGH").

Stats 2016-07-18:

Name: Pokemon Go
Visits: 98
Clicks: 6
Conversion: 1
Profit: $1.02

Name: Survey 1
Visits: 1
Clicks: 0
Conversions: 0
Profit: $0.00

Name: Survey 2
Visits: 0
Clicks: 0
Conversions: 0
Profit: $0.00

Name: Credit report/Loan
Visits: 88
Clicks: 0
Conversions: 0
Profit: $-4.21

Name: Coupons
Visits: 0
Clicks: 0
Conversions: 0
Profit: $0.00

Kinda disappointing.. but I hope today is a better day.

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Had to cancel the coupon one.. waste a bunch of money unfortunately.

Tweaked my credit/loan offer a bit.. made it look a bit better, added referring site's domain there + a little location text. I hope it will increase my CTR a bit.
I have to figure out how to track the usage of that little app.. so I know how far people are going and what they are doing there. Probably need some kind of heatmap tool.

Pokemon offer is getting a bit of traffic too.. but it's super low. Both surveys are sitting at 0 visits.

I put up a new credit score campaign too, but it has 0 visits too. I guess I have to wait a bit for traffic to go live.

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Nothing good to report. I decided to work on only 1 offer. My credit score offer.. added a bunch of new keywords to it. I know very well that this offer converts well, but now I have to get it converting with pop traffic.
I think I'll add 1-2 new landing pages to it (3 lps total then). Unfortunately traffic is still super low:

Stats 2016-07-19
Visits: 3
Clicks: 0
CTR: 0%
Cost: $0.10
Profit: -$0.10

I hope things will pick up today.

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Hey thanks for doing this follow along. I'm getting into PPV myself but the low traffic you're getting is not very encouraging. Are you doing PPV by URL targeting? Or keywords? Seems you're familiar with PPV so I was wondering if you would recommend trying the classic PPV with URL targeting. Would I find decent volume for job traffic? I would like to try propelmedia but wouldn't want to waste the $1000 deposit.

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My issue right now is that it will take a moment for Propel Media to get it's traffic up and running.. which is why it takes so much time. It also depends on your targets as well. I upped my bids a bit and those new keywords are bringing in traffic already. Propel Media has ridiculous amount of traffic and they are the biggest CPV traffic provider on the planet. So you don't need to worry about it. If you are very beginner, I'd suggest targeting URLs because that way you can be sure that you get right traffic. At least that was taught me.

I just saw someone saying that their self serve is $100 minimum bid (not sure because I wasn't able to add less than $1000, but that's fine).

Decided to try something ridiculous and set up a garcinia offer too with a nice advertorial, will see how it goes.

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Thanks! Yes, they have a $1000 minimum deposit, no way around it. $100 is for PropellerAds self serve which is a different company. Got them confused as well. I was just wondering if there are still so many people with adware installed. It always seemed like a great traffic source to me, user gets to a URL and the ad pops. Great targeting.

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Yup true.. Propel Media servers billions of visitors every month.. so they are pretty huge yes. I have had success with 50onred as well.

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Sooo.. Yesterday I removed my credit report's landing page and added a new more simple and nicer looking one and bam, a conversion today :P

Credit report 20-07-2016

Visits: 134
Clicks: 8
Conversions: 0
Profit: -$16.05

Hehe, I can't wait to see today's stats tomorrow. I'll be adding a new landing page to the offer and try to add more keywords and up their bids for more traffic. Right now I'm getting around 150+ visits a day.

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Hi Diplomat, here's more insights into how to make money with PPV traffic. Happy reading :-)

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/makin...mp-reader-card

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Thanks for the link, but I do have some experience already, but I'm sure that article would give a nice general overview of the PPV for beginners.

I have this little funky problem. I have one keyword that's doing well, but unfortunately it gets half of it's traffic from one domain which sucks real bad. This means I'm spending half of my money on a bad target.
I'm not sure what to do since you can't add negative targets with Propel Media :/

I also set up 3 campaigns that are all those 3 question LPs. CTR is good, 5%+, but traffic is pretty low, as always. Since I know now that I can set up that kind of lps, what I'm going to do set up more campaigns like that. Visitors are given a Amazon gift card, iPhone or Samsung phone. I have to figure out a bit more generic topic so I could get a bit more traffic.

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Stats time for the credit score offer!

Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-21
Visits: 335
Clicks: 26
CTR: 7.76%
Conversions: 1
Cost: $41.86
Profit: -$13.86
ROI: 33.11%

It's not the best, but at least there was 1 conversion which is encouraging.
I did not add any new landing pages, but today I'll do it. I'll try to add at least 2 just for testing. Also I was thinking about testing few more credit score offers.

The thing with the big expense is that there's 1 domain that is wasting my money.. just 1 domain ate like $25+ of my budget via 2 keywords. So I have gathered some data, paused those keywords and replaced those keywords with domains. Hopefully got rid of that domain. It's sad that Propel Media has no negative target systems.

I set up one hotel booking offer too:

Stats - Booking - 2016-07-21
Visits: 52
Clicks: 7
CTR: 12.96%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $2.57
Profit: -$2.57
ROI: 100%

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Soo.. I made a new little landing page.. but with a dude.

Here's my tiny list of LP testing:

1. Gender
2. CTA message
3. Button's CTA

Right now I'm at the gender point. I have 2 LPs.. everything is the same, but first LP has a lady, second one has a dude. We will see how it goes.
If there isnt a difference, I'll be testing the CTA message. If there's a difference, I'll still start testing with a CTA message, but I'll keep an eye on the best performing LP. Once, I have tested CTA message I go for button's CTA. When I have found a better CTA for the button. I'll make a whole new landing page using all those good features.

I won't be testing color just right now because I'm already using pretty good colors. Once I have got my best LP up, I'll start testing colors for it.

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-22
Visits: 493
Clicks: 39
CTR: 7.91%
Conversions: 1
Cost: $53.20
Profit: -$25.20
ROI: 54.08%

Traffic is coming.. I have to get my CTR up.
Paused few keywords that had 0% CTR. Leaving it like this with 2 landers for the weekend.

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-23
Visits: 370
Clicks: 41
CTR: 11.08%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $39.98
Profit: -$39.98
ROI: 100%

Just letting it run through the weekend. Cut some targets yeserday too. On monday, I'll add new landing pages with the CTA message change.

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-24
Visits: 223
Clicks: 23
CTR: 10.31%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $26.84
Profit: -$26.84
ROI: 100%

Stats - Booking - 2016-07-24
Visits: 165
Clicks: 5
CTR: 3.03%
Conversions: 1
Cost: $6.98
Profit: $7.27
ROI: 104.19%

I'm going to have to add new targets to the booking one because it's traffic is ultra low + i have to add a new LP to it because CTR is low too.
For credit score, I'll add new LPs with new CTA.

Surprisingly male LP has higher CTR, but female brings conversions. Have to test for more data.

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-25
Visits: 200
Clicks: 18
CTR: 9.00%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $25.73
Profit: -$25.73
ROI: 100%

Stats - Booking - 2016-07-25
Visits: 193
Clicks: 12
CTR: 6.22%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $$9.00
Profit: $9.00
ROI: 100%

Yesterday's stats suck, but I added new landing pages yesterday and today I can see that my new credit score LP has 26.19% CTR (42 visits and 11 clicks).
Unfortunately new booking's LP CTR is only 1% higher than older one so I have to work on it.

I have good feeling about credit score offer.

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-26
Visits: 166
Clicks: 24
CTR: 14.46%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $23.69
Profit: -$23.69
ROI: 100%

Stats - Booking - 2016-07-26
Visits: 189
Clicks: 12
CTR: 6.35%
Conversions: 1
Cost: $9.32
Profit: $4.93
ROI: 52.83%

Okay so.. this credit score testing is becoming slowly pretty expensive already. New landing pages have higher CTR which is great, but no conversions unfortunately. I have to figure out what should I do.
Booking is doing great, a bit in loss, few dollars, but it's working fine.

I'll decide tomorrow what to do with the credit score offer. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know!

I'm thinking about adding some easier offers to get some revenue going. I have been browsing BoxOfAds, but there are so many offers for mobiles.. so it's a bit confusing how I should proceed. I guess I have to read more STM and find something good to promote.

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-27
Visits: 168
Clicks: 17
CTR: 10.12%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $23.71
Profit: -$23.71
ROI: 100%

Stats - Booking - 2016-07-27
Visits: 115
Clicks: 11
CTR: 9.57%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $6.00
Profit: $6.00
ROI: 100%

So.. I read some STM yesterday evening and set up few sweeps campaigns and yay, conversions are coming in.. nothing in green tho.
I'll set some more up today.. I think I found something good. Fingers crossed

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Stats - Credit score - 2016-07-28
Visits: 96
Clicks: 12
CTR: 12.50%
Conversions: 1
Cost: $16.72
Profit: $11.28
ROI: 67.51%

Stats - Booking - 2016-07-28
Visits: 87
Clicks: 7
CTR: 8.05%
Conversions: 0
Cost: $3.88
Profit: $3.88
ROI: 100%

Stats - Sweeps - TC - 2016-07-28
Visits: 593
Clicks: 99
CTR: 16.70%
Conversions: 3
Cost: $10.10
Profit: $5.60
ROI: -55.44%

Stats - Sweeps - TS - 2016-07-28
Visits: 378
Clicks: 43
CTR: 11.38%
Conversions: 1
Cost: $6.38
Profit: $4.78
ROI: -74.94%

Stats - Surveys - 2016-07-28
Visits: 248
Clicks: 26
CTR: 10.48%
Conversions: 5
Cost: $10.38
Profit: $6.38
ROI: -61.48%



Well.. things are slowly working. Testing all kinds of campaigns and lps.. revenue is increasing which is great. Lots of testing to be done. Credit is still in loss, but it's not THAT expensive anymore.
Have to keep testing and I'm sure I'll be in green for 24h soon.

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I have so many campaigns now so I guess it would be easier to just to group them:

Stats 2016-07-29
Visits: 2,546
Clicks: 345
Conversions: 18
Revenue: $24.50
Cost: $75.27
Profit: -$50.77
CPV: $0.0296
CTR: 13.55%
CR: 5.22%
ROI: -67.45%

Stats: 2016-07-30
Visits: 1,073
Clicks: 178
Conversions: 3
Revenue: $17.25
Cost: $23.21
Profit: -$5.96
CPV: $0.0216
CTR: 16.59%
CR: 1.69%
ROI: -25.69%

Stats 2016-07-31
Visits: 271
Clicks: 19
Conversions: 2
Revenue: $1.60
Cost: $15.99
Profit: -$14.39
CPV: $0.0590
CTR: 7.01%
CR: 10.53%
ROI: -89.99%

I didn't do much on the weekend, but today I'll start optimizing things a bit. During the weekend I just added more keywords. I paused most sweeps campaigns because of the at the end of the month rule. I'm starting them today or tomorrow.

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Alrighty, it has been ~2 weeks now and everything is still the same.. nicely in red. So, I have to figure something else out.
What I found was.. if my CTR was nice and high, CR was low.. if my CTR was low, my CR was high.. makes absolutely no sense. Time to figure out why it's so.. I don't want to give up yet!

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Wow!

It's amazing how persistent you are. Don't mean to sound cliche - but I believe wholeheartedly that as long as a person focuses on something and doesn't give up, success will come sooner or later.

I don't have experience with this type of PPV - the adware variety where you target by keywords/urls. So I don't know how much help I'll be. I'll probably end up learning from you.

Some question and suggestions that may or may not be useful:

-You mentioned that the landers for your credit offers were getting clicked on with good CTRs - why not use them to test more offers?

-Are you planning on focusing on just this traffic source? Or would you be opened to trying pop as well? (i.e. popads, zeropark, propellerads...)

-On TrafficVance/PropelMedia, is there an option to just buy "RON" traffic, i.e. non-targeted traffic? Or do you have to target by keywords? I want to see if there's a way to target really broad - if so then you could try broad-appeal/non-targeted offers.

-Speaking of which: Sweeps and surveys are as broad-appeal as offers get. What keywords were you targeting for those?


Thanks for not giving up!



Amy

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1. Yes, CTR was above 12% and peaked at 20 or so %. I think I have to try and test more offers yes. There are few out there that fit my LP well, but I'm like -$245 in loss which makes me insecure.
2. No, I'm open for testing other kind of stuff as well. I know people from Zeropark so I'm thinking about testing it with YTZ as well.
3. I'm afraid there's no RON option. I know 50onred has one, but for some reason 50onred's quality is going down which is not the best. I have thought about doing like "iphone" keyword, but my CTR has sucked real hard + for US it's minimum $0.01 per pop which means offer needs to convert well and CTR must be good. I do have an international account with them as well.. so I can run international @ $0.005 so worth trying.
4. For sweeps, I used this [IS X PERSON FAT AS HELL? YES - NO] LP by one of the admins. It worked well, but nothing spectacular. I'm having really hard time figuring out sweeps actually.. since I can't do mobile like lps with desktop traffic, it's even a bit more challenge than credit offers.

Also thanks for your kind words. I really hoped someone will give their input on this journey.

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$245 in loss doesn't sound bad at all actually!

When you say insecure are you referring to your ability, or cashflow?

What's the average payout for credit report type offers? I don't operate in that vertical so don't know. Unless they're high payout offers AND you don't have the cashflow to test them, I would say go ahead and test more offers! You already have landers that work.


There are lots of monetizing services around, and at any one time for any one geo (and other targeting), certain monetizers will perform better than others. However, the one I've experienced the most success with, is this one:

http://www.monetizer.com/


Ah OK I suspected as much.

Actually - you don't need to stick to "iphone" type keywords at all! Sweeps are broad-appeal offers, which means that theoretically, any and all keywords and sites will stand a chance of converting for these offers.

International @ $0.005? Is this RON? Or would you still need to specify keywords/urls?

Just a somewhat random thought: I wonder whether it'd be possible to just target a bunch of the most popular keywords and bid low to get a bunch of cheap traffic and send it to broad-appeal offers like sweeps...

http://www.siegemedia.com/seo/most-popular-keywords

Again, may or may not be practical - I've never run on trafficvance.


Do you create ALL your landers? Why not just rip from spy tools like adplexity? If you want to give sweeps another try let me know and I'll see if I have landers I could give you to do another test.


Yup that's why I'm here! May not be able to provide too much help, but would be great to keep you company and learn alongside you during a part of your journey.



Amy

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Naw, cashflow is good and I don't mind spending more, but it makes me insecure because I start feeling that I'm not able to optimize stuff as well and I'll be losing tons of money which I wouldn't want to do. Of course, I understand that it takes money to test expensive offers, but it still feels bad. I have been testing with offers $28-32 and I have used smaller $3 ones too. Right now I'm testing with $28 and $3 ones.. $3 one seems to convert a bit better. I have to test more.

Great thanks! Just signed up and I'll talk with them in Skype whenever Lee accepts me.

$0.005 is the lowest amount of money you pay per pop on TV. It's not RON, you have to add your own keywords/URLs. I'm subscribed to TV's daily newsletter which shows high volume keywords for the day and how much it costs per pop. It's really useful. I will try it out for sure.

I'm very interested in sweeps. I already created my own sweeps platform for getting leads and converting/selling them So it would be the best if I can use my own sweeps offers instead of network ones. But yes, I'm interested in them in general and I will test them out. Ideally what I'd like is to fund my more expensive campaigns from $ from sweeps so I guess I have to figure out sweeps first.

That's great. It's always nice to share thoughts with other people who have similar interests.

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Wow - so you have your own sweeps offers! If I were you I'd focus on those instead of the credit report offers - with high payouts like that it would take a strong heart to test a lot of offers and landers to find something that works. Whereas for sweeps, you could just rip landers from adplexity and start testing for a lot cheaper.

If you want to do a quick test let me know which geo your sweeps offer(s) is/are in, and I'll see if I have landers that are ready to run that I could pass onto you.


Amy

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Haha congrats on the green camp! Feels good doesn't it? Here's to many, many more!

You mean you want to find out which specific offer is converting the best, and promote JUST that?

I don't know if it's possible to do from monetizer - but if you ask to be upgraded to afflow you'll see a lot more stats in the backend, including which offers have converted the best etc.

If you want more details on how to do that I'll dig up some stats to show you - just ask!

However, by targeting specific offers you'd be creating a lot more work for yourself - you'd need to keep track of when offers go down and find replacements etc. May be better to just run vauto/omega and let the network decide which offers to run.

Sounds like you're having fun uncovering profitable geos! Chase that fun and you can't go far wrong.



Amy

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I tried to pick a good vertical which converts a bit higher for specific countries. Right now I'm getting this kind of conversions:



That's fine too, its just it's always better when the conversion amount is higher.

So here are yesterday's stats:

Conversions: 197
Revenue: $40.83
Cost: $63.82

What's crazy to me is that countries that I never believed to convert at all, convert the best. That's just amazing.
I'm stopping the testing for today and now I'm optimizing my good countries. I'll let them run till monday because I'm a bit too busy working on the new project so I can just let them sit there for a while.

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Yup that was what I was thinking as well - so I generated separate links for separate verticals (e.g. apps, raffle, antivirus....) and rotated them as offers in Voluum and cut down to the most-profitable vertical for each geo. But that's a LOT of work if you're doing things manually.

If that's the way you want to go, you could set up for your current global camp to rotate the vertical links (e.g. apps, raffle, antivirus...), run enough traffic to identify the promising geo+vertical combos, and break those out into separate camps. You'll need to run the global camp regularly though - as offers will change as new offers are rotated in and old offers are rotated out etc.

It would probably make more sense to have several "global test camps" (instead of just the one you have) where you group geos with similar average bids into each camp, so you can avoid bidding too high/low for any geo.



Amy

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Yeah, I guess I have to do it.. But if that's what it takes to get into profit, no problem. I'm not afraid of hard work.
Anyway, here are yesterday's stats:

Revenue: $50.15
Cost: $70.82
Conversions: 217

So.. as I said in my previous post, I was really inspired one person who did really well with his journey. So like that person, I built my own bot too. I accidentally only included targets.. and ran through $30 worth of geo campaigns before I figured out what was going on so today's profit will be a bit sadder.

My current stats:
Visits: 228,416
Conversions: 25
Revenue: $3.26
Cost: $31.73

Hehe, but that's how it works. I paused all my GEO campaigns and only RON ones are working.. So I hope my super basic bot is doing a good job and when I wake up I'll still have some credits left. I'll make it a bit more nicer tomorrow so I can run it through out the weekend, hopefully in profit

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Man, my bot is working incredibly well. My loss is still ~$30, but there are much more conversions and revenue :P
I'm going to set up a bunch of cool campaigns now. I can't wait to reach 3 digit revenue already.. I assume I'm able to reach it next week.

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Good for you!!!

Making a good bot isn't as straight-forward as many people may think. The ability to code well is just a start - working out the detailed algorithm is the harder part.

So the fact that your bot is working so well out of the gate (although yet to bring in profits) is a feat indeed! It will probably take quite a bit of fine-tuning of the algorithm to make it work to your satisfaction.

I know you may not want to reveal your entire algorithm in public, but if you need specific advice to specific questions, do ask.


Amy

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Will do thank you. Just set up around 70 campaigns I should have enough traffic to play with.
I have been programming for a long long time and we are developing an AI for specific things that we need to deal with so, I'm sure I can figure something good out

I'll leave it running for the weekend and I expect to get some nice profits on monday.

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Alrighty.. here are stats for last 3 days:

Revenue: $46.95
Cost: $57.14

Those stats are missing the $27 conversion I got in YTZ. Unfortunately my tracker didn't pick it up because it didn't have a click ID for some reason.. but it's here:



I have been busy with my new service today so I don't have much to say, but I'm still in profit :P
I'm leaving it like that for now.. until I get more time to mess with the bot and new campaigns.

I'm thinking about running my own sweeps on ZP + some CPA offers.. I have to think about it.

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A potentially-great strategy would be to use afflow to identify the best converting geos and placements on a traffic source, and the best-converting vertical (if you're testing individual vertical links like you were planning to do), and then to test actual CPA offers on the same traffic.

Looks like you're making great progress!


Amy

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Nothing much to update today.. things are still in profit $2-3 and I'm still busy building my new service. Maybe at the end of this week I'll have some more time to mess with it.
I ran out of budget at PropelMedia who sent traffic to my own sweeps offer. I got over 3000 leads from it which is incredible in my opinion because for that amount of traffic I would have received like 30-40 conversions with regular CPA offers for sure. So things are looking great.

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Keep one thing in mind when comparing the amount of subscriptions, the advertisers have all kinds of filters in place and a lot of the conversions will get rejected or not paid based on these. There are duplicated registrations, fake emails, automatic bots and whatnot - there is also the SOI and DOI difference. In order to be able to pay high $ per subscription, they also have to scrub pretty hard. They could also offer a super low payout and count all conversions, but then nobody would promote such offers cause the payout would look too low.

You also have to monetize the free leads somehow, so unless you are able to make more $ from those 3000 subscriptions you got, than you would get paid for those 30-40, you didn't win yet. 3000 to 30-40 sounds like a mega difference tho, so I have a good feeling about this

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I do understand that and I do have fairly reasonable system set up. Out of those 3k+, over 67% confirmed their email as well which means I can send them all kinds of fun stuff. My biggest problem is that I'm not classifying my leads very well. I'm trying to integrate some nice pay per call offers and other goodies into the funnel. The current company who buys my leads cannot buy as much as I deliver.. so I have to figure something out. I guess I'll send them some SOI offers.

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Great, 67% confirmation rate is awesome actually!

It would definitely help if you could categorize your leads somehow, try to offer them some incentive for filling out a short questionnaire that would help you identify their interests. Many of them will refuse to do so, but those who will do that have much higher value.

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First of all, would it be possible to seek out other companies that will buy your leads?

As to monetizing your leads - I'm assuming that right now, your leads are general/non-targeted. This basically means you can only push really general, broad-appeal offers to them, and the conversion rates won't be too high...

I remember having spoken to a member here, who had an ingenious way of collecting and streamlining leads. Let me dig up that thread....

(OK it just took me like half an hour to find that thread LOL! But it's so, so worth it....here it is

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...6-Introduction

Basically, the way I understand it is that the OP was running a clairvoyant/psychic type of offer, so that visitors would answer questions WILLINGLY. Then, the leads would be split-up into separate "lists" based on their answers, so that you could then send targeted offers to each list.

I know of people doing something similar and making mind-boggling amounts of money. It's not quick money, but then it's stable money that will grow into bigger and bigger next-to-passive income. Maybe that thread will trigger some ideas for you.



Amy

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Yes, that's my plan.. I already set up my dynamic funnel which allows me to categorize them and add them into many different lists. My biggest issue is that I'm not very good with emails.. I have no idea what to write them lol.

Unfortunately no updates since my last post.. been busy building my service. Started receiving payments from Afflow.. need to get some from YTZ too. I think I'm in loss only with $200 or so which is pretty good.
I have to start doing higher paying offers too.. it's annoying to play with so small amounts ($0.1-0.3 etc).

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So I realized that I'm not actually in many affiliate networks (active only in 1 actually) so I decided to sign up with some more including: affiliaxe and Addiliate..
I really don't want to give up on those iphone lps that miss Vortex gave me so I have to get more iPhone offers.

Also I signed up with msales which works like Afflow and YTZ. So I'm split testing them right now..

I'll let you know how the test with msales and afflow goes tomorrow.

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Haha - I'm not even going to go into how to write emails for your lists - something like that will take more than a forum post to cover, and I'm far from being an expert.

I had it a lot easier, because the lists I was "managing" were very niche, so all I had to do was find a bunch of relevant products, write up an autoresponder series to sell them, then write up a bunch more emails to give out useful information without selling anything, and mix up the order so people would get several "info" emails, and then a "selling" email and so on.

Whereas with your lists - I don't suppose you have very targeted lists. You probably have it broken down by either general interest, or gender or age.

One method I could think of: Set up a separate FB account for the demographic targeted by each of your lists, to triggered relevant ads.

e.g. If you have a list of 30+ females, then set up an FB account with age set to 35 say, and gender set to female. You'll start seeing ads in the newsfeed with products and services geared towards that demographic - so then you'll have a better idea on what sorts of topics to talk about with that list, and what sorts of products you can push to them.



LOL looks like you're keeping yourself very busy doing 3 projects at the same time!

If that's something you enjoy then it can be a great thing. But if you're feeling like you're losing focus, then it may be better to just pick 1 thing and stick to it for the next while, make massive progress, and then go back to working on the others.



You've already got an overflowing plate so I'm not wanting to add to that. But just for future reference: There are lots of these monetizing services around so you won't run out of split-testing candidates, but sometimes less is more - if you find that one of the services is giving you better results consistently, then it may be good to stick to one. Otherwise, you may end up spending more time and money on testing than on actually scaling the winners and making money.

Also, there are similar monetizing services for adult traffic as well. Afflow and YTZ also have adult verticals (afflow for sure, YTZ I THINK also does), but I'm talking about services that SPECIALIZE in monetizing adult traffic. Just something you can consider expanding into in the future - there are tons of adult traffic sources you can monetize.




Amy

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Yea, I have to segment them.. I guess I can do it after every answer (in the funnel) so I'll have tons of lists. That's a great idea!

Actually I'm focusing more on getting Afflow/Msales profitable. I kinda gave up on YTZ right now.. but I have to analyze traffic I sent to YTZ so I can get a better idea what kind of countries convert the best.

Right now I'm running global pops and domain campaigns with pretty crazy flows and it looks really good. I turned $0.05 - $0.10 leads into $0.20 - $0.50 leads which is much nicer.

I really don't feel like doing adult since I don't know much about it and I have never done it.. but I will try it.

I realized that.. yes, those Afflow/YTZ/Msales conversions are tiny, but I'm only paying $0.0001 per visitor.. sooo, I it's not very bad as long as everything converts and is as much on autopilot as possible. As long as there's profit, I don't think I'll stop doing it. Also that kind of stuff is a lot easier for me because I hate web design/building landing pages.. but I do like optimizing traffic. So that kind of stuff works well for me.

I'm 100% sure that one day I'll run nice profits there.. it just takes a bit of testing and time.

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Nothing interesting to say.. everything is still in profit , but only $x per day.. i haven't worked on those campaigns really so that's nice.
Last time I checked I found a real nice way to keep ROI near 0 or in green doing global pops.. one country went crazy and delivered 155 conversions.. ~$18 worth or so.

But yea, I think I'm starting to understand this thing a bit better which is awesome. Now I'd have to increase my positive ROI more.

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Just woke up to this:



Looks like today might be the first $xx profit day.. those little tweaks payoff well. My biggest problem right now is that my bot is too dumb and can't make reasonable changes by itself. If I could have access to every click I get, everything would be a lot better.

I cut off YTZ totally and running only Afflow and Msales. Afflow has sent me moneiz already, YTZ haven't (not sure why) and Msales needs $1000 a month first.. so I have some work to do.

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Looking nice! Any chance of scaling these?

How many geos are you running atm?

And have you drilled into data to identify the profitable traffic segments? (OSs, carriers, devices, etc.)


Amy

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I do have a bunch of info now which is great.. but I understood that there's a bit too much info for myself to process. So I have to figure out some kind of system that identifies good stuff for me and gives me info when I should pause/stop something. I have some more time this week to work on my bot so that's what I'm going to do. I think I have to build something that gives me daily reports because offers are being paused and added all the time so it makes sense to do daily changes. If possible, I'd make it so that it automatically creates campaigns with good info so I wouldn't have to manage it too much. Things are going fine right now.

Here are stats for last 7 days:



I did a bunch of testing which is why it's in negative ROI.

Here are profitable campaigns for the last 7 days:



Here are campaigns in loss for the last 7 days:



Almost all of them are testing campaigns and the global pops campaign is in nice loss as well. I'm using it to identify new sources/countries which perform well.. so unfortunately it goes to loss no matter what.

I think once I get my reporting system up I'll have more profitable campaigns. Perfection takes time not giving up yet.

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Wow - the first 2 profitable camps are doing really nice ROI!

Yup I completely get what you means about the importance of having a system. When you have xx geos running on xx traffic sources, just looking over your camps every day can become a nightmare.

You'll no doubt develop your own system. Just a couple of tips on that for now:

1)As the number of profitable camps grow, abandon the lower-profit ones (unless your automation tool can save you so much time, or can automate the campaign maintenance to the extent where you can handle a great number of camps).

2)Focus on optimizing and scaling the biggest camps first, and only optimize and scale on the smaller ones when there's time.

3)It would be a great idea to program your automation tool to compare current day's ROI to previous day's ROI, for each camp, and to alert you if there's a drop in ROI exceeding a set amount. (For high-traffic camps, maybe compare multiple times a day; for low-traffic camps, maybe compare once every couple of days.) That way, your time is freed up for spending on the bigger camps, and you don't need to worry about not having time to check every camp every day.

Stats are looking exciting! Don't wait to scale at least those first 2 camps to other sources!



Amy

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Thanks for those ideas. I'll build them into my tool

Yesterday was fairly ok, but I started testing in the evening:



so then I messed up a bit up today lol:



That's fine, things like that happen lol.. just have to pay more attention.

So I set up traffic campaigns to 2 other traffic networks and things look promising:



Second one started too.. but I think they don't have much traffic in my country that I'm using. So it only has 4 impressions :P but we will see what the day will bring. I'd like to set up a third traffic network, but I'm not 100% sure yet.. I'll scale things a bit slower.

Time to start testing countries again.

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One of those new sources is converting like crazy.. 10x less traffic than ZP, but more conversions. Super sweet.. I'll test a bunch of stuff there now. Second one is not working that well, but maybe my targeting is not the best..

Gotta love testing stuff..

Edit: I started thinking that hiding traffic sources is fairly stupid and it offers no value to hide them.. Anyway PopAds is doing real good job. PopCash is.. well not doing that well. I set up global campaigns on both of them to test out what's up. Also I set up those iPhone campaigns again on PopAds to see if they convert there. Set a modest $10 budget to test it out. I'll let you know later how it works. I'm thinking about testing PropellerAds a bit later too. I tried Tonic, but for some reason I couldn't get it to work with my stuff.. I might be doing something a bit wrong. I have to test it too.

So right now I'm running Zeropark, PopAds, PopCash, Tonic and PropellerAds will come later.

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Great news! Love your gif BTW!

Testing lots of new sources is one of the keys to making this work. You want to find sources that have low competition (which usually means cheap traffic), that you can swoop in and test all geos on. Even if the volume is lacking compared to the bigger sources, being able to make lots of geos profitable will make up for it. And camps can be a lot more stable in performance on these low-comp networks.

To find pop networks to test, just ask google:

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid...ffic%20network

There are also large review sites you can get traffic sources from - these for example:

http://adswikia.com/tag/popup/

http://www.adswiki.net/?s=pop&x=0&y=0#.V-G8JiErKM8


Tip: Although I did say above that lower traffic volume is OK, many sources have volumes that are SO low that you wouldn't want to be wasting your time with them. What you can do is draft a form email with questions/requests such as:

-Can you please send me a list of your highest-volume geos with daily or monthly volumes?

-What's the approximate desktop vs. mobile breakdown?

-Do you have OS/device/carrier/IP targeting? [Note: Insert whichever targeting options are important to you.]

-What's your minimum initial deposit?

-Is your network self-serve or managed?


Send the networks an email or message them through their contact form. Sign up to networks that have the most traffic and/or best targeting capabilities first, and go from there.


Have fun!



Amy

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Hey again!

Sorry for not updating for so long, we have been a bit too busy. Anyway, things are doing well with Afflow and others, but it's still in the low greens.
So I decided to do some a bit more reasonable stuff and set up some UK campaigns with PropelMedia. Created some nice LPs for 2 voucher offers. I'll report back when I see some progression, right now it's just slowly picking up the speed.

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