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Moving all in - from poker to affiliate marketing (noob alert) / Sweeps on Mobile (15)

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Hey guys! Let me first introduce myself. I'm new to this forum, been following STM since 2 months ago through my mentor's account, but now is the time to go on my own, since I'll be launching my first campaign today and I will have a lot of questions and a follow-along to maintain. So I come from Slovenia, I'm almost 30 years old and I have been playing poker professionally for the last 6 or 7 years, breaking the XX,XXX$ barrier monthly. I decided for a career change since I didn't have the same drive and motivation for the last few years...and there is another problem – poker is not scalable. When you reach your max, that's about it unless you want to work more hours a week, also the poker industry seems to be in a falldown already...but affiliate marketing is extremely scalable, there are opportunities outside of pure affiliate marketing with the skillset, from poker you can't really transfer anywhere where skills would be looked for.

After studying this industry up close for about two months, I decided that I'm ready to launch some small campaigns of my own. I decided to go with sweepstakes on mobile, more specifically iPhone 6s sweeps in Netherlands. I have this one campaign for now which pays 2.2$ and allows aggressive landers – it's with GrabAds. I will start with three ripped landers on PropellerAds. For this first month I decided to settle on a budget of 1k€ with tools included, so that's about 25€ a day for traffic. I'm using AdsXposed as spytool, Voluum as tracker and Amazon Cloudfront for CDN. This campaign I ran for 2 days (36$ traffic, 2 landers – 18 per lander), tested only 2 landers, but they are the most popular ones on iphone sweeps. It was almost 10x the payout with no conversions (CTR 15%), so I decided to rather look for other offers and test each one with 3 landers, rather than testing only this one offer until I get a conversion on some other lander.

http://prntscr.com/bp8t1k
http://prntscr.com/bp8t8l

The longterm plan is ofcourse to become profitable (which will let me leave poker for good) and to start peeking in the native advertising.
I plan to do a "n00b" mastermind of 3 where we all do sweeps on mobile. I don't expect other members to have much experience if any but I do expect the same amount of effort to be put into this mastermind and affiliate marketing and I do wan't data to be shared between us on regular basis and in about the same volume (as I said I have around 1k$ prepared for first months traffic).

I would like to ask for help from you... I think it's better to start with tier 3 geos, but I need one or two geos to focus on. Please let me know what geos you think I should start with for iphone sweeps on mobile. Also what networks do you suggest I sign up with – traffic and affiliate? (keep in mind that atm I don't have any traffic, so some newbie friendly..)
I will try to keep this follow along up to date as much as possible – prefferably daily. Thanks guys for helping and your opinion, good luck to all!

Greetings from Slovenia, MAsSIV

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On PropellerAds there is a min CPM of 1$ for tier 1 countries, min CPM 0.75$ for tier 2 and min CPM 0.65$ for tier 3 countries. So if I understand correctly - I get not even twice the tier 1 traffic of tier 3 traffic for the same price, but the payouts are like 10 times or 5 times lower. Do they convert so much better that it's ok to do tier 3 countries? Or is this min bid so high only on PropellerAds for T3 and it's lower on other traffic sources?

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AM is very stochastic. thus it is impossible to say beforehand what results you will get. get in the habit of running tests to answer your questions.

There are too many outside factors that influence your campaign. Thus there is no answer to your question if tier3 is better than tier1 or vice versa.

also test traffic sources. Your tierX campaign will perform differently across traffic sources. so while it might not work on propeller it might work on another source.

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Thanks for your reply ebaskin. I understand it's unpredictable and that the whole point is in testing and mining/analyzing data. I intend to test on popads, propellerads, popcash and adcash.
The tier3 vs tier1 I meant like I don't understand why the payouts are so much lower (up to 10x) and min bids are just 35% lower.. that's why I said if it usually converts so much better.

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Tier3 is easier to start with, lower payouts mean more conversions almost all the time and you need the conversions in order to learn AM.

I understand the difference between traffic prices and payouts seem weird to you, but there are several reasons for it.

People from Tier1 GEOs are generally more tech savvy and they are used to all kinds of internet tricks by now, this results in lower CTR in such GEOs and also lower CVR. People from tier3 GEOs are often new to the internet, they click on everything like hungry kids in a candy store So even tho the CPM rate might seem high, you will get way more clicks so the final CPC is much lower than in tier1 GEOs.

Another reason is the absence of regulations in such markets, this is very visible with PIN submit offers - while in a tier1 GEO the rules are strict and at least 2-click flow is required, in tier3 GEOs there are still many 1-click submits that convert waaaay better. Since those are GEOs with low incomes, the charges have to be low, hence the low payouts. But the increased CVR makes up for it. So the payout per conversion will be low but you will get multiple times the amount of conversions as with a tier1 GEO.

These are the 2 basic reasons for the difference in payouts and relatively high bids.

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Thanks matuloo, I was hoping for a piece of your advice when I started this follow along I read many of your posts, but I didn't absorb everything, because right now I'm a bit overwhelmed with info since I'm starting out.
It's basically what I imagined the CPM difference to be based upon.

Would you have any sugestions about the geos from where I should try to find my next offers? (sweeps, AV installs - PIN submits, installs or email submits)

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I don't really like to make specific recommendations, because what works for more doesn't have to work for you But as a general rule of thumb, check what your AMs can offer you in Asian GEOs, or LATAM.

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I understand. Will do that, thanks!!

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Hey guys, at first I didn't know which campaign to run for a few days, so I ran McSecure in Vietnam with some of the popular landers, but no conversions:
Geo: VN
Traffic: PopCash
Offer: Blackfox McSecure
Payout: $0.90
Spent: 6$

I wasn't sure the offer link was working and my AM I guess was busy and didn't check it (3 times), so I paused it.

At the same time Pokemon GO offers came out. I figured it would be a good chance to go with these offers. So I had my first two conversions with a ripped lander in AU (leadgen):

Geo: AU
Traffic: Propeller
Offer: Mundo AU Pokemon leadgen
Payout: $2.4
Spent: 30$
CPM: 2.1$

After brainstorming an angle and coming up with "an apology from Niantico for servers being down" I had these stats:

Geo: AU
Traffic: Propeller
Offer: Mundo AU Pokemon leadgen
Payout: $2.8
Spent: 30$
CPM: 2.1$

I decided to separate WiFi and 3G traffic and I got like 1 or 2 conversions at 28$ spend. Then ran non-separated traffic again at 5$ bid and got 1 or 2 CV at 15$ spend. (4 altogether for that day)
I also launched DE with same translated landers and got 1 CV for 30$ spend.

At the same time I ran NZ:
Geo: NZ
Traffic: Propeller
Offer: Mundo NZ Pokemon leadgen
Payout: $1.2
Spent: 10$
CPM: 1.8$
CV: 4
ROI: around -50%

So I decided to experiment with bids in NZ and with my new angle (Sorry for server trouble, here is 14500 coins), but there is veeery low traffic... I got a few conversions at small spend (still around -50% ROI), but I decided to test US who has much higher traffic with the same lander:

Geo: US
Traffic: Propeller
Offer: Grabads US Pokemon leadgen
Payout: $1
Spent: 10$
CPM: 1.8$
CV: 5
ROI: around -50%

This was on 17.7. and at that time it seems everyone had server problems. I figured this angle will work at least for some time, so I made another 5 variations to split test. 12 hours after the initial US run, I ran this campaign again:

Geo: US
Traffic: Propeller
Offer: Grabads US Pokemon leadgen
Payout: $1
Spent: 30$
CPM: 1.8$
CV: 1
ROI: -97%

So I had only one conversion and 3x the traffic. I'm not sure if the angle isn't working anymore cause PokemonGO servers seem to be fixed, or was it just variance, I plan to run it again for 12$ on PopAds with throttling on. Anyway I plan to do some other angles and test them with this offer until I get higher than -50% ROI. I know there are many factors, but 5 CV at 10$ spend and 1 CV at 30$ spend and everything else the same is strange.

Questions:

• I noticed that GrabAds tracked only around 20% of my CTRs that are tracked in Voluum - why is that (with Mundo the numbers are much closer)? Maybe offer page was overloaded and people closed tabs?

• Should I keep testing the same US offer with same landers but different bids? Maybe people started overbidding me at the next day? I think I will change the angle cause I'm not sure how many problems people in America have with PokemonGo servers - here in Slovenia we have big problems.

• How does this work - if I wanted to test these Pokemon offers on Facebook...are they allowed / profitable? I don't intend to, at least for now..but I would like to know if people are running those.

• On Propeller my 15k traffic at 1.8$ bid was gone in like minutes. But on PopAds I set throttling to 5 impressions/sec max - it went reeeally slow, then I removed the throttling and it still burnt only like 2$ in 2 hours. I don't understand - is it set to spend the budget in one day? I mean I saw that they have more than enough traffic at this bid.

So I finally have postback set up and everything else running. I will try to update here as much as possible now that things started to move.

Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it a lot!

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So I ran this on PopAds too as I said and right now I have 4$ spent and I just noticed 2 CV. I'm not sure what happened on Propeller...

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Here is today's update. I finally got my PopAds campaign approved for 18$ spend and here are the poor results:

http://prntscr.com/bv02wu

With the last two days results I get the feeling that the Server problem angle isn't working so well anymore. I will be thinking of new angles to test this same offer.

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Fun fact: I'm the one who came up with that Pokemon Go angle. You probably ripped my lander off adplexity lol

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Yeah I saw someone else using this lander, but I didn't have the spy tool until recently. You don't have to believe me lol, I was using just one ripped lander and it was the one with upper and bottom green stripes. I mean why would you think you were the only one using this angle, I wasn't surprised when I saw yours... servers were lagging like crazy so it was a pretty obvious angle. But yeah, today I got adplexity and I saw your lander there (if it is yours - the one with lots of text). Mine is also on adplexity, it's the one with crying blue pokemon.

Thanks for the insight tho, I'm seeing that on adplexity not many landers have more than one day uptime

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Lol Idc if u rip it

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I'm just saying I wouldn't write I came up with it if I didn't...

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