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07-05-2016 04:36 PM #1 jonemd (Member)
Smells Fishy..

This may be me being paranoid but I've been using a certain traffic source to test some campaigns on Afflow and I've found a few golden targets. After a few days of them running super profitably the volume dries up. I check and see that I'm bumped down on the bidding queue which is to be expected but when I increase my budget to way over the bid required for #1 there is still no traffic, despite the TS showing the available traffic at original volume. It's as if the TS is now taking all of the traffic from that target.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar? I'm not expecting anything to change as i guess that's life, it just sucks a little.


07-05-2016 04:39 PM #2 ebaskin (Member)

are you keeping local time in mind? maybe you raised your bid at 3am in that geo. or maybe it takes a while for your new bid to take effect.

I don't think your traffic network would bother ripping campaigns that only runs on a few select targets

another theory is that the pubs blocked your ad and the network estimate isn't accounting for it


07-05-2016 04:43 PM #3 jonemd (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by ebaskin View Post
are you keeping local time in mind? maybe you raised your bid at 3am in that geo. or maybe it takes a while for your new bid to take effect.

I don't think your traffic network would bother ripping campaigns that only runs on a few select targets
I let it die over 24 hours. When I changed my bid I left it for 2 days so I doubt the local time comes in to play here.


07-05-2016 04:53 PM #4 ebaskin (Member)

sounds like your ad was blocked by the publisher then, or he isn't monetizing through your traffic network anymore because he found a network that pays a better CPM.

lots of reasons, really.but it's funny how people always tend to think someone is ripping them off


07-05-2016 05:01 PM #5 jonemd (Member)

What I found really strange was the traffic volume shown by the network was still the same but a pitiful volume was being delivered despite a crazy high bid (0.10) being entered.

Agreed there could be many factors but just seemed strange.


07-05-2016 07:25 PM #6 wannabe (Member)

had the same experience with zeropark last year.


07-05-2016 11:36 PM #7 cpakiller87 (Member)

which network


07-06-2016 02:29 PM #8 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Do you pass conversions back to the source? In case you don't, they don't know that those targets are doing good for you and would have no reason to "steal" them from you.


07-07-2016 04:40 AM #9 asknopt (Member)

Had same experience with Zero Park, had a high ROI campaign running for 3 days 24h always green and within a hour everything died I had 4 different offers.
Initially I thought it was a tech issue with conversions not being registered either by CPA or Voluum but after reading this post I did targeted campaign to placements that I had a lot of conversions and ROI over 1000% and I see I don't get almost any traffic even I'm the first in the queue and there is available traffic.


07-07-2016 08:40 AM #10 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

With networks like zeropark, as they do redirects / pops, it's a consistent come and go. There's a shitload of companies selling their remnant traffic over these networks. As soon as they notice performance picks up, some of them move the traffic away from being resold to monetize on their own.

Also, especially with zeropark, there's always a possible someone went direct to the source skipping zeropark taking the traffic away from their pool, or just reached out to the placements and doing a buy.

Don't forget when doing targeted placement campaigns, it often enough just takes 1 managed buy to hit the placement you're getting traffic from to 'destroy' your campaign.

Traffic sources in the end are not in business to make friends but to sell the traffic and generate revenue for the pub / create commission for their end. If a pub realizes he can make more money by selling direct to an advertiser or monetizing on his own, guess what he'll do...


07-07-2016 12:29 PM #11 cbrughmans (Member)

Its normal. This happens on all the time on bidding platforms. One day there is a lot of traffic, the next there is none. Could be dozen reasons: other people bidding more, traffic not being sold anymore, other rtb going over you, your ad is blocked, technical mistake, etc. Always, always, always scale up your offers as fast as you can as sooner or later they're all gonna die!


07-07-2016 02:20 PM #12 asknopt (Member)

I see, well next time I will be more ready to scale thanks to this actually.

Either ways, I had over 20 different placements doing good and they all died at that same hour, so unless all those placements came from the same source, then would it mean only ZP could know they were working?

Hypothetically assuming this was indeed caused by the Traffic source, what could I do to delay as max as possible this situation (apart from passing conversions to TR...)?
Not always be the first bidder on those placements?


07-20-2016 03:31 AM #13 Mr Payne (Member)

@asknopt - I personally don't trust ZP because I've had similar situations happen way too often.


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