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No money in adult, everyone is solid! (13)

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Hello there!

I am willing to start studing the adult market closely in the next months. I have a little experience with it, since I already launched some banner ads campaigns with WAP/Pinsubmit, using mostly Exoclick and Traffickjunky, which were profitable.

My idea at this stage is to start promoting some cam website with PPL, then moving to PPS with the same or similar offers once I will hit the first promising results, and at that stage start considering revenue share. I am not inclined to start with PPS because in my opinion the CPA is too high to start testing with it (between 25$ and 60$ I guess on average?).

I will read everything I will find related to this on this forum, but if you have any kind of suggestions, questions, do's and don'ts about it just let me know: I'm all ears

More specifically, I would like to know which are the best traffic sources for these kind of offers, and generally speaking if there is anything in particular that I should know about it before getting my hands dirty, despite the fact that I will have to test banners and prelanding pages quite a lot!

I'm still not sure about which GEO I should choose aswell, despite avoiding the US and Norway

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Hey,
If you're looking for dating offers, let me know.

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Hello!

I am not planning to focus on dating offers at the moment, but in case I will change my mind I will definitely let you know

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Hello, we've been talking about cams recently, check this thread, there might be some useful info for you inside : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...t-Cam-Campaign

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There is plenty of money in Adult, its just not as easy as it was during the wild wild west days. You just have to do things right and keep moving forward.

We have adult and mainstream traffic btw, desktop and mobile. Let me know if you are interested to discuss our inventory in more detail.

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Thank you for the tip, I already saw that discussion and I appreciated your suggestion about the kind of traffic sources that work best with cams: I know that you have a lot of experience in this vertical and of course your reasoning behind that point makes plenty of sense.

You do not suggest to try PPL, and I can see why, but you think it would be a bad idea to do it even for a short period of time, in order to find a converting funnel that would be too expensive to test with PPS directly, and then switch to PPS with the same offer?

This is also my idea: it was only a joke in order to attract a bit of extra attention

My background includes years spended in the online poker world, where in the past 10 years quite a lot of guys made serious money. Of course things got harder while the years were passing, so some guys where all: "There is no more money in poker, everyone is solid". It became a pretty popular joke, usually combined with some six figures brag or non-sense hands played by some supposed-to-be-solid dude

I might be, once I've figured out better in which direction concentrate my offers first

Yes, my idea with cams was exactly like that: learn how a new vertical works in order to make it profitable not immediately, given the fact that cams are not supposed to disappear or something

I am not really sure about dating sites, I have no experience with that: are you really able to consistenly convince people to sign on dating sites from Tube traffic sources, with all these dating apps around that went on fire in the last years? I mean, I guess you are given plenty of offers in this vertical, but I still feel a bit skeptical about it, even though I could be completely wrong of course.

I thought about it because of the low CPA, which is sweet when you have to test something new, but my impression was that trying cams would be harder at first but a more profitable "asset" in the long run, which is all that matters

Of course any insight about that and related arguments would be appreciated: in the meanwhile I will keep browsing the forum in order to get further informations

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Yes, in case you can find an offer from an established CAM network that offers both PPL and revshare/PPS, testing PPL first makes a lot of sense. Make sure you pick a reliable advertiser, because cams are all about long term revshare income.

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Hello v1r4l4adv!

PPL might be the best choice if you want to begin with cam. Nonetheless, you should be aware that, if your traffic doesn’t convert enough, you might be cut off. PPS and revshare are recommended for marketers that already have some experience.

When doing PPS you need a higher budget but if you have quality traffic your revenue will be higher. When using revshare you’ll lose (invest!) a significant amount of money at the beginning that you’ll see returning in the coming months.

Moreover, when using revshare (and if you’re lucky) you may find a whale – a guy that falls in love with a girl and continues spending money to watch her. In general, if your traffic is good for PPL it’s also good for PPS and revshare.

Concerning traffic sources: tubes (free video sites) aren’t recommended, because its users are looking for free videos and they usually aren’t as prone to spend money. On the other hand, I advise you to use member’s area traffic or escort traffic.

If you’re after affiliate program networks, you can check crackrevenue.com or datetronix.com. In case you’re looking for PPS in particular, you can check pussycash.com or awempire.com.



I hope you these suggestions managed to help you!



Let me know if you have any more questions you wanna ask!

Cheers!

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v1r4l4adv just like everyone said, there's still plenty of money to be made, it's just not as easy as it used to be.

What should you promote?
Answer: Go to a trafficjunky site such as PornHub.com and hit refresh a zillion times to check out the competition.

You'll see that's it's all Adult Dating, Cams, Male Enhancement & Membership Porn Sites for the most part. For certain Asian geo's you may see Casino/Gambling ads to. Unless you feel like re-inventing the wheel, it's easier to just stick with these verticals. I would test a little of each and see what does best for you.

My favorite to promote is actually adult dating PPS. But I first start with the PPL/CPL version.
Split test 50/50 to both versions PPL vs PPS and keep the version that does better.
With some traffic sources you'll find you do better on PPL while others it's PPS

For example we have an offer that pays either $60 PPS or $2.75 PPL
I will split test and send $60 worth of traffic to the PPL and $60 to PPL.
You may spend $60 and not get a single PPS sale, in which case the PPL's win. But if you popped at least 2-3 sales then PPS will win.

Also the great thing about Adult Dating PPS is that it's almost like promoting a revshare program. If you promote CPL dating then the sponsor won't count every single profile. Either cause it's a fake profile, proxy, wrong age or whatever reason the sponsor decides that the CPL lead doesn't count. Especially CPL SOI offers. On the other hand every single submit from a PPS link will be approved. Then those profiles/emails are non stop emailed by the sponsor and over time you start popping sales from traffic sent months/years prior. Not to mention with PPS you never have to worry about losing the CPL offer do to poor conversions. You can leave a profitable PPS campaign on auto pilot.

My suggestion is to test cams/adult dating offers that have both PPL & PPS versions and split test both.

Good luck :-)

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The adult ad spy on the forums just became active again incase you missed it.

Have you made any progress since OP?

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Hello v1r4l4adv,

Would love to discuss business quickly via Skype. daynagsmi is my handle there.

Have a great day,

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Same here, if you want to discuss the adult industry business opportunities further, contact me @ skype id: mlopezarranz

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