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How Safe is DMR? Can't anyone search for your DMR URL using a spy tool? (11)
05-06-2016 12:29 AM
#1
bradh_ ()
How Safe is DMR? Can't anyone search for your DMR URL using a spy tool?
Hi guys,
I've been using Adplexity a bit lately and also changing my URL's to be DMR.
I'm wondering though, does it really make that much of a difference as it would seem it's just as easy for the network/advertiser to find my whole campaign by searching for the DMR redirect URL?
From what I understand, using DMR the advertiser will see all referrals froming from my DMR URL - so if you were using the default in Voluum it would look something like xxxx.redirectvoluum.com/redirect?target=
So what's to stop anyone with this URL from doing a search for it in Adplexity using the below:
1. Search for DMR URL

2. Find your funnel (then replicate it, catch you for non-compliance, etc)

Maybe the answer is obvious and you find a way to stop this from showing in all Spy tools - or you take the chance and anyone who wants to find your stuff can do so pretty easily.
Am I reading too much into this?
05-06-2016 01:18 AM
#2
stitch (Member)
All DMR does is try to ensure that the network/adv can't visit your referrers and see your lander. I believe most of the time your referrer gets blanked, but if it doesn't and something leaks through, there is nothing to stop them looking up your URL on Adplex as you've realised.
This is some interesting reading in terms of faking referrers, but is not foolproof in older browsers: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...PI/History_API.
Also look into rel="noreferrer". DMR isn't really ideal, especially if you're on pops, because of the extra load time and resulting click loss it introduces.
Hiding from spy tools is a completely different game!
05-06-2016 01:56 AM
#3
ebaskin (Member)
DMR is not 100% safe , it can still leak through your landing page.
You can use the following code in addition to DMR to bulletproof your lander:
<script>
var parameters = location.href.split('?')[1];
if (typeof parameters === "undefined") {
parameters = "";
}else{
parameters = "?"+parameters;
};
window.history.replaceState("", "", "/smokenmirrors/"+parameters);
</script>
It changes your lander URL to a fake one. Your lander stays the same.
Like this:
your lander url: http://freehoes2nite.com/quizlander-3/?voluumdata=1234&model={model}&city={city}
after the page loads and the code above kicks in, this is what people see in the browser:
http://freehoes2nite.com/smokenmirros/?voluumdata=1234&model={model}&city={city}
Most modern browsers will pass the fake url as the referer. Your lander url will stay hidden. So if DMR should leak your ref, it will pass a fake ref and your lander will still be safe.
Have fun
EDIT: The best part of course is that other affs can't rip your lander using tools like HTTrack anymore. So this is a neat little trick I use to protect my landers from you guys

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05-06-2016 02:01 AM
#4
bobliu (Member)
You could do some neat things with JavaScript to obfuscate the DMR URL / hide it from Spy tools.
I would post an example, but the only way this would work is if your code is different to 'the masses'.
05-06-2016 02:31 AM
#5
bluecrayon (Member)

Originally Posted by
ebaskin
And the beauty is: This fake URL is what is being passed as the referer. Your lander url will stay hidden.
If this works 100% of the time/doesn't leak then there's no point to use DMR since it reduces ROI.
05-06-2016 02:40 AM
#6
ebaskin (Member)
Sadly it doesn't work in all browsers.
05-06-2016 03:46 AM
#7
bobliu (Member)

Originally Posted by
ebaskin
Sadly it doesn't work in all browsers.
Mainly IE, no surprises there!
05-06-2016 05:28 AM
#8
bradh_ ()

Originally Posted by
stitch
All DMR does is try to ensure that the network/adv can't visit your referrers and see your lander. I believe most of the time your referrer gets blanked, but if it doesn't and something leaks through, there is nothing to stop them looking up your URL on Adplex as you've realised.
This is some interesting reading in terms of faking referrers, but is not foolproof in older browsers:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...PI/History_API.
Also look into rel="noreferrer". DMR isn't really ideal, especially if you're on pops, because of the extra load time and resulting click loss it introduces.
Thanks for this - I've used the history api for back button redirects, etc but didn't realise it could help with referrer blanking

Originally Posted by
stitch
Hiding from spy tools is a completely different game!
Any hints on where to start for this?
I've started collecting IP/ISP's, however I can't help feeling that it will turn into a massive project to do this across multiple spy tools... and of course it's a never ending battle.
05-06-2016 05:29 AM
#9
bradh_ ()

Originally Posted by
ebaskin
DMR is not 100% safe , it can still leak through your landing page.
You can use the following code in addition to DMR to bulletproof your lander:
It changes your lander URL to a fake one. Your lander stays the same.
Like this:
your lander url: http://freehoes2nite.com/quizlander-3/?voluumdata=1234&model={model}&city={city}
after the page loads and the code above kicks in, this is what people see in the browser:
http://freehoes2nite.com/smokenmirros/?voluumdata=1234&model={model}&city={city}
Most modern browsers will pass the fake url as the referer. Your lander url will stay hidden. So if DMR should leak your ref, it will pass a fake ref and your lander will still be safe.
Have fun
EDIT: The best part of course is that other affs can't rip your lander using tools like HTTrack anymore. So this is a neat little trick I use to protect my landers from you guys

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^^^^^ this is gold
05-06-2016 08:32 AM
#10
ebaskin (Member)
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05-23-2017 10:38 AM
#11
lafftar (Member)

Originally Posted by
ebaskin
DMR is not 100% safe , it can still leak through your landing page.
You can use the following code in addition to DMR to bulletproof your lander:
It changes your lander URL to a fake one. Your lander stays the same.
Like this:
your lander url: http://freehoes2nite.com/quizlander-3/?voluumdata=1234&model={model}&city={city}
after the page loads and the code above kicks in, this is what people see in the browser:
http://freehoes2nite.com/smokenmirros/?voluumdata=1234&model={model}&city={city}
Most modern browsers will pass the fake url as the referer. Your lander url will stay hidden. So if DMR should leak your ref, it will pass a fake ref and your lander will still be safe.
Have fun
EDIT: The best part of course is that other affs can't rip your lander using tools like HTTrack anymore. So this is a neat little trick I use to protect my landers from you guys

.
This is super dude! Thanks for the share! Does it work with all landers?
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