Highly determined to leave the 9-5 behind and make x,xxx a day!! (56)
Highly determined to leave the 9-5 behind and make x,xxx a day!!
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Running Mobile pop under campaign for app install.
Ordinal Geos: India, Vietnam, Indonesia
->After testing , focusing Indonesia Geo
Tools:
CDN for my landers: Using S3 with Cloudfround. Found tutorial by caurmen how to set up. Just type in CDN s3 or something along those lines on STM search box.
Build/modify my own laders, can just rip them with various spy tools you can find here on STM.
Using Volume for tracking.
Popads for traffic source.
MundoMedia as my Affiliate Network.
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Hello dear friends!
This is my first Campaign and am a total newb. I have been hiding in the shadows, watching, reading, learning and finally launched my campaigns. I’m running with MundoMedia network and popads as the traffic source. I have a friend who helped me get in as referral, as they don’t normally accept newbies. My friend has been pretty successful in AM, although he went through some struggles before hitting profits with MUNDO.
He also gave me a lot of tips and tricks, and I owe a lot of to him, otherwise I probably wouldn’t have seen my first green so soon, this morning that is (more on that later).
Im running a little unorthodox probably by choosing three geos to run my popunder app install in.
To be exact, India, Veitnam, and this morning when I woke up my Indonesian offer was also accepted so I launched it as well. Actually read a good thread last night by Vortex on good block list for placements when running with popads, so I was able to apply that to my Indonesian geo.
To clarify, the app install is the same vertical, just running it in three different geos, so hence the “three different offers.”
Sunday night 4/10/16, close to midnight, I was able to launch 2 of campaigns in India, with two different landers/angles.
When I woke up my lander for Vietnam was accepted so I launched it as well. So three total running at that point. I came to find I had issues with one of my landers in India, so I paused that lander and it ended up being beyond fixing and not worth the time. ( side note: I create my own landers from spying using mobile spy tool and tweaking the code. Anything to save money 
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I also found that my Vietnam lander was not converting very well in the beginning. I ended up going to the add via the url and came to find I didn’t translate one of my js into Vietnamese. Paused that campaign! Applied the fix, and saw WAY better results. Ended up being in the RED zone at the end of the day with that lander, but still had a few conversions.
I also had a chance to upload an additional 2 more landers. Another one to India and another one to Vietnam.
So a total of 4 out of the 5 created were live. There were 2 running in India and 2 in Vietnam. Still the same vertical, app install, but 2 different angles/landers for each geo. They were all doing decent, still in the negative though. Before midnight on 4/11/16, I ended up pausing all of my active campaigns, as that was about a day’s worth of traffic I can now analyze in
I ended up getting the angle/lander that was working well in Vietnam, translated into Indonesian and approved when I woke up this morning. I launched it this morning, 4/12/16, and saw my first green for that Indonesian offer within hours! Granted I had applied the global black list of bad placements that vortex provided, so im thinking that had a major role to play ( as the other landers did not have that black list applied yet).
Im still overall in the red zone negative ROI. Although I have determined 2 out of the 3 angles of landers I had running in Vietnam would be cut as one only had 1 conversion and the other had zero. While the third at 13 total since it launched.
I have paused the one In India with 13 conversation to review data in
I have 2 angles that are currently paused in Vietnam in the same situation, need to review the data.
And, one that is currently still running in Indonesia ( green zone!) as im typing this.
Stats are bellow:
http://stmforum.com/forum/attachment...1&d=1460495075
Any input would be great. I wanted to hit all three geos to see which one would be more promising. As of right now, it looks like Indonesia. The other landers were running all traffic though so that’s an unfair advantage. Im having trouble coming up with way to narrow in how to optimize this situation. Im very knew to AM, but super determined.
Hope to hear from you guys soon!
Thank you all so much in advance!
PS. how do you post screen shots into the posts? i had to upload a png.
Also can anyone chime in when viewing the time of the hour conversions were happening in
Thank you!
Update on the Indonesia GEO angle: Im still in the green on my first RON with it ( let run about 24 hours). Will review the stats and optimize.
In the mean time, I looked over my two Vietnam angles, their stats in
After doing all that I let the landers run. I'm confused of the stats though. I'll attach pictures, but for example I'll get on (angle A),-> 6,346 visits but only 574 clicks and on (angle B)-> 5,207 visits but only 500 clicks? As when i was just doing a RON, the visits and clicks were pretty close to each other? The speed of A is not as fast as lander B, but still not bad. Anyone can elaborate ?
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So im not too happy with the results, but im still learning the process how to optimize.
Im still going through the data in
Indonesia ended up with a positive ROI of 71.89% as mentioned above. I am thinking for this one to run two test campaigns , one as a black listed tested campaign with all the poorly performing Web IDs excluded and the other as white listed test campaign, targeted only @ the promising variables, browsers, devices, WEBIDs, etc, with a lower customized bid. I read on a RubyTunes follow along about this strategy. Not exactly sure how I'll do this. Probably have to create 2 additional campaigns to do that? Is there a way to just duplicate the campaigns without going through the approval of campaign process?
An update.
The two angles i have running in Vietnam after I had optimized them per the data I mentioned above as a result of
As you can see they have a lot more traffic coming to them, and more clicks. I am confused. 
Can anyone shed any light?
Thank you.
The Indonesian campaign currently paused as I need to sort the data as mentioned above. Still planning how I will approach.
Update for 4-14-16
What started out as a promising morning ended up just being another day of being in the negative.
Stats:
-13.75% ROI overall between the 3 landers I was running.
I ended up finding out early this morning that I would stick to just focusing on Indonesia, and Vietnam just wasnt converting quick enough for me. Didnt have the budget to try to scale in two Geos, so now just down to one Geo and two landers that have overall done alright for a newbie I guess.
Above are the overall stats for the day between the two 3 landers today.
The one below is the overall stats for this campaign since the launch.
edit-> image didnt upload
The problem I keep having is optimizing. The first half of the day went great. 121 conversations. The second half of the day, only 9. Im assuming its because of all the "cutting" of placements, devices, and all the other variables. Well when i did that, the cost of traffic went way up. Bid too low and you get barely and traffic. Bid in the high range, and you get traffic, but your 2 landers that were converting so well the first 5 hours, now only have 9 conversions between the two of them in over 2 + hours.
I was trying a black list approach, but i guess i did somewhat of hybrid approach between a white list and a black list. Cut many placements and variables, and also narrowed in specially on cellular, but ended up doing poorly in the end.
Been reading Vortex material, so much math and statistics involved. Almost hard to believe it takes so much. Im very determined but not gonna lie, this is pretty hard.
Since Sunday night when I originally launched my Campaign in three Geos (now just down to one) I've had a total of 237 conversions. And am -22.20%.
I believe this can turn around. I did the mistake of not making separate campaigns when I was scaling my original RONs, and making all changes to the original campaing, so now Im confused to why I made certain changes and will most likely to a semi RON tomorrow morning so I can plan a better approach on the cutting of placments and how to black list and white list properly.
Any and all suggestions and input/help will be appreciated.
I wilil continue my follow along and keep this up to date.
Cheers.
UPDATE:
Think Im starting to figure out the variables involved with adding and removing placements. I set my 2 pop landers to start running in my Geo when people would start getting off work ( roughly around 6 oclock) as the data showed that’s when I made the most conversations. So this time I got to sleep in a little more instead of waking up super early to check my ads status. Wasn’t getting the conversations I would like to have. So I started putting variables back in and slowly but surely my conversions started going back up and the price per 1000 impressions got cheaper.
What im taking away from this is:
Keep a RON campaign going, and make note of whats converting. DON’T start taking out a bunch of variables and placement IDs and then expect to make the same conversions at the same bid level.
Also have another campaign going that is ether a black list or a white list. Easier said than done. As the price of traffic sky rockets for impressions.
So what I plan on doing is slowly taking variables out again and try to find a good bidding range to see what converts at that point.
Also noticing that what
Cheers
Hey man im still a noob so cant give much insight but dont give up yet! Your camps looks promising and i think -15% ROI is not bad. Hope someone with more exp jumps in to help you, ill be keeping up with your log.
Good luck !
thank you! means a lot! This has been getting me overly stressed lately and affecting my day job but super determined to make it! Need to visit the doctor and get some more aderal haha
Saw my FIRST real postive ROI day after optimzing.
I had a busy work week, so wasnt able to optimize both Landers to run. So i decided to firstly optimize lander A and will optimize lander B on wedneday.
After letting lander A run for about 8-9 hours in the target time I saw was doing better for me, I came out a postive 3.55% ROI. This may sound small to some people but meant a lot to me as i've been working really hard. See image bellow:
Will work on optimzing lander B and see if I'll success or focus more on lander A.
Cheers.
overall results for my first week of running campaings in AM. ( pop traffic )
update: 4-18-16 results after split testing two of my landers that were doing almost head to head against each other.
Todayds split test showed lander A is the sure winner. Granted, it was a little bit more scaled. However, i think im going to make varients of lander A and split test those and see how they go up against each other.
I only cut out additional low converting placements with lander A this time around and didnt filter any categories.
With lander B i noticed it was doing very well with adult placements, so i tried to focus in on that for a couple of hours but the results werent that great. I expanded to all categories and got much better results. Howerver it still ended up being in the red, while lander A ended up the green.
Lander A: 21.07% ROI
Lander B: -12.32
Saw i first double digit profit day today $10.98.
Overall im still in the whole on this campaign. But learning and eager to master mobile pop.
Cheers,
Congrats on the green man ! Good to see things are picking up. Seeing you taking this so seriously makes your thread real inspiring, so keep it up !!
First of all - I got your PM - thanks for inviting me to your follow-along!
And wow! You started this with a GREEN camp. Talk about starting with a bang! 
I'm gonna play catch up, and reply to each post as I read them.
Originally Posted by dima00
I have 2 angles that are currently paused in Vietnam in the same situation, need to review the data.
And, one that is currently still running in Indonesia ( green zone!) as im typing this.
Stats are bellow:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...read!-(Part-2)
Other suggestions:
-This is an amazing follow-along! If for future posts you could separate the information by geos/camps it would make things much clearer and less confusing. e.g. First you talk about your ID camp, then your IN camp etc.
-When you're testing landers: Know that every time you add a lander to the test, you're starting the test over, meaning you can ONLY look at lander stats from the time you added your new lander when comparing them. Otherwise the test would not be fair and your results WILL be off and I'm not being fickle here. So for example you can't start testing LP1 2 days ago, then add LP2 today, and tomorrow you take stats for the last 3 days and plug them into the split-test calculator. Day-to-day performance fluctuations are very real. So if today is a good day of the week in terms of conversion rates, then LP2 is going to have a big advantage over LP1. If you conclude that LP2 is the better lander and run that for the long term you may find that it performs worse than LP1. Not saying that's what you're doing but just something to watch out for.
Amy
In the case of popads though, it doesn't matter, because they let you specify the timezone when you're editing Time Targeting for your camp. Just make sure you pick the same timezone you have your tracker set to.
After doing all that I let the landers run. I'm confused of the stats though. I'll attach pictures, but for example I'll get on (angle A),-> 6,346 visits but only 574 clicks and on (angle B)-> 5,207 visits but only 500 clicks? As when i was just doing a RON, the visits and clicks were pretty close to each other? The speed of A is not as fast as lander B, but still not bad. Anyone can elaborate ?
So im not too happy with the results, but im still learning the process how to optimize.
Im still going through the data in voluum on my India lander geo offer.
Indonesia ended up with a positive ROI of 71.89% as mentioned above. I am thinking for this one to run two test campaigns , one as a black listed tested campaign with all the poorly performing Web IDs excluded and the other as white listed test campaign, targeted only @ the promising variables, browsers, devices, WEBIDs, etc, with a lower customized bid. I read on a RubyTunes follow along about this strategy. Not exactly sure how I'll do this. Probably have to create 2 additional campaigns to do that? Is there a way to just duplicate the campaigns without going through the approval of campaign process?
Optimization is a HUGE topic for sure. There are so many ways to optimize a campaign and everyone has a different optimization strategy. Here are my personal thoughts:
-Bird's eye view of campaign optimization: Try to make as much of the traffic profitable as you can by optimizing your funnel (i.e. testing landers and more importantly, offers) BEFORE mass-cutting everything that doesn't give you your target ROI. If you're working with a bad offer+lander and try to cut your way to green, it will be expensive, and you'll be left with little traffic in the end. However, if the geo has a lot of traffic - and ID and VN certainly fit this bill - then it wouldn't be a bad idea to just identify the best placements first, then use them to continue your lander and offer testing. Once you have a good lander+offer combo you could always retest the blacklisted placements from before.
-Knowing how to cut stuff based on statistics will help:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...Banners-Part-1
-Different offers will convert differently for different traffic segments. Same goes for landers. Many campaign variables are related and will influence one another in different ways. So for example OfferA may convert very well for Android but suck for IOS. OfferB may convert the best for CarrierX while OfferC converts well on CarrierY while OfferD converts well on wifi traffic. Lander1 may convert best for OfferA while Lander2 converts best for OfferB.
So how do you deal with this mess? The most accurate way would be to set up one campaign for each traffic segment combination - OS+Browser+Carrier+whatever else - and cut offers and landers separately for each. But this would be impractical - you'd end up with hundreds or thousands of camps, and it will take 5 figures to cut offers and landers for each camp!
So a good balance would be to 1)identify the major traffic segments - ones giving you the most traffic volume and conversions, and 2)before cutting an offer or lander, look at the impact on EACH of those major traffic segments, and THEN cut it only if it's not the best performer for any major traffic segment.
Example: You run some traffic to your camp. Then you drill down to OS -> carrier stats, and you see that most of your traffic is from Android+IOS, and CarrierX+CarrierY+wifi. You see that the offers you're testing are converting well on Android but not IOS, and they're converting well for CarrierX and Y but not for wifi.
In this case, you'll probably want to focus on android + carrierX&Y. When cutting landers and offers, you'll want to check these traffic segments to make sure the lander/offer will not adversely affect these segments.
So what do you do with segments that are giving you a lot of traffic, but your current offers just aren't converting for them? You can continue to test offers to find ones that convert well for these segments, or just leave them alone and test other geos.
And what happens when you see opposing trends? Such as OfferA converting well for CarrierX but sucks for CarrierY? In that case, you'll want to start cutting offers SEPARATELY for each traffic segment. You can do this 2 ways: Either 1)set up rules in your tracker for each carrier to run and cut offers separately, or 2)set up separate camps to target separate segments and cut offers separately for each.
This may all sound really complicated, but as long as we keep the following high-level goals in mind we'll be fine:
1)We want to identify major traffic segments giving us the highest traffic
2)Ideally we want to find offers that convert well for each major segment. So either ignore segments that our current offers don't convert well for, or test new offers to find ones that do convert well for those segments.
3)When cutting an offer/lander, check the impact of this cut on the major traffic segments to make sure doing so won't negatively impact on them.
4)If you see opposing trends, start cutting separately for each segment.
There are exceptions to these "rules" though. Sometimes you'll find small pockets of profit - a small carrier or OS that gives low traffic volumes but very high conversion rates. Those will allow you to bid high and potentially give good ROI, although they won't make you rich, if you're a newbie starting out and you do this for enough traffic sources and geos the profits could add up.
-When cutting things, don't cut multiple things at the same time. e.g. placements + browsers - because when you cut one thing, the performance of some of the other things will go up! Keep in mind how the various variables influence and depend on one another.
So try to cut one thing at a time, then wait a bit and revisit stats and cut some more.
-Regarding visits vs. clicks: Visits are the number of times visitors landed on your lander, and clicks are how many of those visitors clicked through the lander to arrive at the offer. So yeah - the two numbers won't be the same unless you're doing an automatic redirect or using an iframe etc.
-Regarding your plan to have 2 camps, a blacklist and a whitelist camp: You can certainly do that, but every time you identify a good browser etc. to target with your whitelist camp, remember to remove that targeting from the blacklist camp.
-Regarding bids: One important thing to know is that on most (if not all) RTB sources, by bidding higher you'll get access to higher-quality traffic. This is because all your competitors are tracking placement stats too and weeding out bad placements and bidding high on the good placements. So if you're bidding too low you'll end up with all the crappy traffic nobody wants.
On PopAds especially, don't be afraid to bid high, because often you'll see a significant increase in conversion rates compared to when bidding low. (Just be sure to set a low campaign budget just in case!)
What I always suggest: Set up at least 3 camps in the beginning, at low average high bids with all targeting the same, run 10-20x payout's worth of traffic to each, then pick the one with the highest ROI and use JUST that for the rest of the offer/lander testing. I've seen pretty extreme results with this approach, e.g. the low bid camp hardly converting at all while the high bid camp was in green right off the bat. So always test different bids!
-Something I've started playing with is caurmen's method of detecting placements with bot traffic:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...n-Any-Campaign
Weeding out placements that have high percentages of bot traffic will cost a LOT less than cutting them only after they've spent money and don't convert. So feel free to give that a try as well.
Optimization is a huge topic. I hope I've addressed some of the considerations involved without adding to the confusion!
Amy
Originally Posted by dima00
The two angles i have running in Vietnam after I had optimized them per the data I mentioned above as a result of
As you can see they have a lot more traffic coming to them, and more clicks. I am confused.
Can anyone shed any light?
Thank you.
The Indonesian campaign currently paused as I need to sort the data as mentioned above. Still planning how I will approach.
Different geos can react differently to angles. Plus you're dealing with different levels of competition, different traffic quality, different bids etc. etc.
Stats:
-13.75% ROI overall between the 3 landers I was running.
I ended up finding out early this morning that I would stick to just focusing on Indonesia, and Vietnam just wasnt converting quick enough for me. Didnt have the budget to try to scale in two Geos, so now just down to one Geo and two landers that have overall done alright for a newbie I guess.
Above are the overall stats for the day between the two 3 landers today.
The one below is the overall stats for this campaign since the launch.
Also - it would be nice you can provide "drill-down" stats. Overall campaign stats will not allow us to provide suggestions on how to optimize. Showing us the following would be a good start:
-Lander stats
-OS -> Mobile Carriers (with stats expanded for carriers sending the most traffic)
-OS -> ISPID (with stats expanded for major ISPIDs sending the most traffic)
-ISPID -> Landers (again, expanded only for major ISPIDs)
-Mobile Carriers -> Landers (again, expanded only for major carriers)
I'll probably ask for more after seeing these. Note: ISPID is a popads variable. I hope you've added popads tracking tokens to your tracker? If not you definitely should starting now!
That info is very useful. (Please also add ISPNAME while you're at it.)I was trying a black list approach, but i guess i did somewhat of hybrid approach between a white list and a black list. Cut many placements and variables, and also narrowed in specially on cellular, but ended up doing poorly in the end.
Been reading Vortex material, so much math and statistics involved. Almost hard to believe it takes so much. Im very determined but not gonna lie, this is pretty hard.
Since Sunday night when I originally launched my Campaign in three Geos (now just down to one) I've had a total of 237 conversions. And am -22.20%.
I believe this can turn around. I did the mistake of not making separate campaigns when I was scaling my original RONs, and making all changes to the original campaing, so now Im confused to why I made certain changes and will most likely to a semi RON tomorrow morning so I can plan a better approach on the cutting of placments and how to black list and white list properly.
Remember that ideally, we want to improve the funnel to convert as much of the traffic as we can. Test more landers, and more importantly, TEST MORE OFFERS! If you're using an offer+lander that don't convert very well, and try to reach green by cutting stuff, you'll lose a lot of money in the process plus only end up with a small trickle of traffic when you're done. We want a high level of profits, not just a high ROI! It's a good feeling to see a camp doing 300% ROI, but if the daily profit amount is only $3 and you had to spend $300 just to cut stuff to reach that stage, then it's not worth it.
And as mentioned in the last post, try not to cut multiple things at the same time, because when you cut one thing, the ROI for the other variables can increase. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
You're doing well. Campaign optimization can be confusing for a new person. You're making all sorts of observations and asking all the right questions. This IS the learning process! There's no way around this. You just have to keep spending money and keep observing things and eventually you'll come up with a strategy for yourself. And then you'll keep refining that strategy over time as you gain more experience.
You CAN set up camps to test things from scratch, yes. But if you'd post detailed stats first maybe I'll be able to eliminate some of the variables so you won't need to repeat your losses again if possible.
Another suggestion: Set up a campaign journal for each of your camps, and make notes as you tweak each camp. Otherwise, you will forget what you changed when. It doesn't have to be complicated. Just an excel sheet or word document will do. One tab/sheet for each geo or traffic source, and jotting down a few words to summarize what you did to the camp every time you check stats, will be enough. Try not to make this into a bigger chore than it has to be.
What im taking away from this is:
Keep a RON campaign going, and make note of whats converting. DON’T start taking out a bunch of variables and placement IDs and then expect to make the same conversions at the same bid level.
Also have another campaign going that is ether a black list or a white list. Easier said than done. As the price of traffic sky rockets for impressions.
So what I plan on doing is slowly taking variables out again and try to find a good bidding range to see what converts at that point.
You can manually upload conversions to voluum based on clickid if you want to add the missing data.
I had a busy work week, so wasnt able to optimize both Landers to run. So i decided to firstly optimize lander A and will optimize lander B on wedneday.
After letting lander A run for about 8-9 hours in the target time I saw was doing better for me, I came out a postive 3.55% ROI. This may sound small to some people but meant a lot to me as i've been working really hard. See image bellow:
Another thing: Testing landers is important, but often, testing offers will yield higher increases in ROI. So once you have a decent lander that's converting pretty well, start testing other offers. I don't know whether that's possible for your vertical, but if you can find other AM-recommended offers to test for your geo+vertical then I would definitely recommend that at this point.
Todayds split test showed lander A is the sure winner. Granted, it was a little bit more scaled. However, i think im going to make varients of lander A and split test those and see how they go up against each other.
One thing to check though: Clickloss can be an issue, and the costs posted back to Voluum are often lower than the actual cost. Please compare your tracker costs against the ACTUAL costs as you see from your PopAds stats WITHIN POPADS. I've lost 4 figures in the past to that mistake. In certain geos the costs can differ by as much as 100%! What this means is when voluum tells me I'm making 100% ROI, it actually means I'm only breaking even, and anything below 100% ROI means I'm running at a loss. So watch out for that.
Phew! I'm all caught up now on your progress. Looking forward to seeing more-detailed stats from you so we can get into the nitty-gritty analyses. Can't wait! :P
Thanks so much for posting your progress!
Amy
Hey AMY!
Thank you for all your advice and input!!
I took it all in and made the appropriate adjustments and I made some real positive results!...well at least i think until I re-read your last comment on the ROI. More on that after I give you an update:
So this will be an update on three days:
After taking in your advice and reading like a mad man on STM and whatever else i could get my mouse clicker on, I came out positive $42 USD on the first day.
The second day I came out positive 70+ USD AND the third day I came out positive $145 USD!! with a 54.42% ROI! My first xxx day!!
This was all made after soaking in the info you gave me, and loosening up on all my black lists and all the variables I cut.
I put placements I originally cut out prematurely, that sky rocketed my traffic prices, and other variables, and this brought my traffic costs down after they were put back in.
I focused mainly on "real" bad placements with a 2-3 days of stats before cutting them ( and even took the original black list pop ads that i got from you, and put back in to see what would happen and I think that helped as I was converting positively). -> and then took out the ones that still werent working for me.
I also went back into Vietnam and tested my high converting lander in Indonesia to find that it did even better in Vt after I properly optimized and not like a newb by cutting everything in site lol (well Im still a newb, but I think you know what I man haha)
I also focused on browsers and ISP/connections/cellular and narrowed in on smart phones vs tablets.
All these changes were huge! Also put back in many devices i cut prematurely and this dropped my bid prices as well. This is a little trick I learned. If you for a fact no traffic is going to certain devices or other variables, put them back in as this ofsets your traffic costs and makes it cheaper. Just make sure what you put back in; doesn’t continue to get traffic, otherwise that defeats the purpose of what we trying to accomplish…i.e cheaper traffic! And smaller bids for bigger returns!
What i took away from this was, dont cut prematurely as your prices sky rocket on traffic and your not getting good stats/conversions.
What Im confused about is your last comment:
One thing to check though: Clickloss can be an issue, and the costs posted back to
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Can you please elaborate more?
If im positive 54.2% / $145, BUT im not 100% , does this mean im actually not positive at all and all this excitement was not real?
THANK YOU for all your advice AMY!
Cant wait to hear back from you.
You can see campaign's Total Spent, for that click on the name of an existing campaign on Campaigns page.
Thank you felyxx. Well thats annoying. So basically still have to crunch all the numbers our selves. Sucks when you have multiple camps running and hundreds of dollars moving around a day. And what vortex said ; we need to be above 100% to be profitable when looking at volumms stats?
Im still confused. None of my camps came out to be over 100% positive ROI in
However, when I compare the total traffic spent in a week for example, with pop ads, to a week of revenue in MundoMedia, I come out positive. So, am i missing something ?? please inform. thank u!
Originally Posted by dima00
Thank you!
You need to set up Your time zone in
You can find this in Time targeting when editing campaign in Popads.
Originally Posted by dima00
Regarding the ROI issue, this simply comes down to how some people talk about profitable ROI. For example. Some people express a 100% ROI
as meaning you earned in revenue exactly the same as you spent so therefore anything over 100% ROI takes you into profit.
However, I don't think
show as green and therefore show a profit.
Hello @ flashpacker! thank you! just doing my part and returning back to the community after what I have picked up on here. Glad you're liking it.
And I agree with you. I think there is some miscommunication. As I have had 2 days now ( Saturday and Sunday ) where I have pulled in xxx days (150ish) even though
@oleandr
Thank you. I was started kinda doing the time zones in my head but I guess I can manually set it.
@Vortex,
once again thank you for all your input, I'm not done with you just yet though lol. Still have many questions. Today doesnt look as promising as the weekend profits were but will continue to grind out and follow your advice. Nice new tutorial you got up by the way on how you can find out what Geos have loads of traffic!
Also that link you gave to go to imgur.com ; it doesnt allow me to post screen shots into the forum like everyone else is doing. Thats what I would like to do as well. That way I can reply to certain parts of the conversions like you and everyone is doing. Thank you!
To show authenticity for Saturday and Sunday profits:
Wowsers!! Congrats on the xxx day! Here's to hitting xxxx/day soon! (Process is exactly the same - just keep doing what you're doing, with more camps on more traffic sources!)
What i took away from this was, dont cut prematurely as your prices sky rocket on traffic and your not getting good stats/conversions.
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Can you please elaborate more?
If im positive 54.2% / $145, BUT im not 100% , does this mean im actually not positive at all and all this excitement was not real?
Also that link you gave to go to imgur.com ; it doesnt allow me to post screen shots into the forum like everyone else is doing. Thats what I would like to do as well. That way I can reply to certain parts of the conversions like you and everyone is doing. Thank you!
Thanks and feel free to keep posting questions - good questions will draw good answers and these will help everyone!Regarding imgur - are you posting the bbcode link? That works for me! If it doesn't work for you then try the other method of importing directly into the forum as attachments.
That tutorial is on how to locate CARRIER traffic (as opposed to wifi) and then mass-testing carrier-billing type offers that are designed to convert well for specific carriers. Some offers have one-click flow when the user is using cellular data - those are the types of offers that can convert extremely well on carrier traffic.
This would allow you to bid a lot higher as well.Profits are looking nice! Are you scaling BTW? You already know what the best-converting traffic segments are - which makes this the ideal time to scale! If you need traffic network recommendations let me know.
Amy
Also - I want to retract something I said earlier about weeding out placements that have bots.
With more testing I'm finding that placements that have a high percentage of bot traffic, do not necessarily convert worse. Or putting this in another way: Placements that have bot traffic can convert better than those that have all-human traffic. General speaking though, if you only run on placements with high percentages of human traffic, you may still get better conversion rates than running on a bunch of placements that comprise of large percentages of bot traffic. But if you look at individual placement stats some of the best-converting placements may contain 40-60% bot traffic for example.
I'll need to run a lot more data before posting convincing results. Just want to give a heads up that bot traffic and conversion rates can be two different things. To summarize: High percentage of bot traffic doesn't automatically equal low conversion rates.
Amy
Thanks Amy for the support means a lot actually talking back to someone instead of posting to myself haha
And you’re welcome on that little tip, brought my prices down anyways and I made more $$$ cuz of it. Might not work for everyone, but sure did for me. But like I said, gotta watch out that traffic doesn’t start going to those variables
Ok i'll look into the popads situation a little closer. As all i did for the time being was took a few days worth of spent traffic ( that i took directly off of popads site) and compared it to the revenue that Mundo posted on their site ( and I came out on top with money made). I was told from the get go that
Also on that note, what everyone should be aware of. I’ll be submitting a ticket to them as Popads is claiming their tracking system has a bug when it comes to identifying browser versions. I had filtered a few google chrome browser versions, for example version 30, as it was getting lots of my traffic, but converting horribly, we are talking about -70 ROI. Well I didn’t wait that long to black list it if that’s what you’re thinking. I black listed it within 2 days of bad returns but traffic has been going to it for a week now. Popads claims they are filtering it per my instructions ( after I submitted them ImpressionIDs that were going to that browser). They claim that
As far as scaling goes. I’ve been running actual campaigns for less than a month so I really don’t even know how to scale. My scaling method is just cutting bad placements/variables lol. I am planning on going into a couple more geos. Got one of my ads translated last night. I am not applied at any other network yet…Your recommendations would be awesome though!
A have an account with popcash, but haven’t run anything through there yet. Any suggestions you have on scaling would be very appreciative! My AM even was like time for you to SCALE! Im like ok…how? Lol.
also...
@ -You already know what the best-converting traffic segments are - which makes this the ideal time to scale!
Does this mean all traffic carriers the same websiteIDs on all traffic sources? Is that what you mean by that?
Thanks once again!
-popcash just rejected my lander. Guess I was "aggressive"
-guess wont be using them for now lol.
@dima00 - big congratulations on the $xxx days! As Vortex says, looking forward to hearing about $x,xxx days soon!
Thanks Caurmen!!!
nice to see super Affiliates stopping by on my follow along! .
And yes I'm working my a$$ off to get there. Working a 9-5 and this as another full time job is tough, but worth it in the end!
Update:
My RON in the additional Geo is looking not too shaby at the moment, will optimize after I get all the data I need. Don't want to make the mistake I did last time and just start cutting prematurely.
Also planning on going into another additional Geo as the translation went through there as well (Russia). Most people would probably advise to stay out of there as its considered a tier1 geo I believe, but I'm going to take a wack at it anyways. Might come out with loss but my lander/vertical are doing xxx days for 4 days in a row now, so taking a leap of faith/risk.
This all might get a little expensive, but the people that say you can start this business at 500 a month are not all that accurate in my opinion. I have spent WAY more than that, and I've been running actual camps for less than a month. I'm not being stupid with the money, but once I see results I try my best to capitalize on it. If I fail, I fail, and get sad/depressed for a day or so, but then just keep at it. I'm still really new to the game, but catching on ( at least I think I am.. lol). I do need to figure out how to scale better, which is why I'm expanding Geos. Might need to look into other networks as well.
-As always please do chime in an let me know where my thinking process is wrong or needs to improve. Thank you!
cheers,
-side note Got my FB Account flagged yesterday 
had another side project/campaign in the works after reading about all the hype FB use to be before they got all strict. I networked with a very successful Affiliate who made x,xxx a day on FB and informed on the profits that could be made on FB. However after a day of clean advertising , FB algos flagged my account . Money down the drain. Guess its not as bad as what other people lost. But still sucks that now I cant ever advertise on FB. I was running clean, no cloakers, just warming up my account and guess they saw suspicious activity. Bumer, would have been nice to do gaming on there in the future.
Great progress, grats on $xxx days, it's inspiring to see other people succeed so fast!
On your
{ISPID} -> [ISPID] !
@ ysekse
OMG I'm an idiot! thanks for catching that!!! LOL
And thank you! Yah mobile for newbies is the way to go and find low payouts! i was skeptical of a low payout as well. I'm getting less than a dollar for every lead...I never thought Id make xxx off sucha small payout!
Ive read some other follow alongs were newbies are taking payouts as high as $7 USD!? and only limiting themselves to $30-$35 budget a day. Its not gonna work...But hey I only know what I learned on here , and from what other successful affiliates have told me. Take the low payout and test test test test. I was breaking down/sad/almost depressed, because my wife got laid off and i felt like i was tossing our money to survive down the drain...Thought to myself should I quit for now? and maybe pick up where i started once we both have income coming in to pay our bills. I decided to stay the course, at least until our initial small pot of an investment we put into this new business, and then if i ran out of revenue from that pot, I would take a break...well I'm glad i didn't take a break because, then slowly but surely the green started coming in. I'm no where near even medial affiliate level, but I follow instructions well from those who have succeeded and copy what they did. We are all here together trying to make it!
cheers
This is a very informative thread for starters to work out the bugs and optimizing. good job on achieving some profits!
@ dacash, thank you!
Hey congrats on all the progress.
I think when it comes to scaling you have to main ways to go about it(from what i know). Either Vertically or Horizontally .
Vertical scaling options (Experimenting with bidding):
-Whether you should drop Prime Spot bidding
- Frequency capping
-Raising/lowering of bids
Horizontal scaling is the other way to go when the the traffic you get from one source isn't enough and/or there's a big gap between your bid and what you'd have to pay to get 2x the traffic.
So you can take your campaign to different TS that have the traffic you want and testing theirs so by doing this you increase the volume of leads you get which would give you leverage in getting a payout.
Another option is to scale it to other countries by launching similar campaigns but from what i have read its hard to scale a campaign into a new market without seeing significant changes in performance unless they have shared language/culture. I think it could work great if you personally know platforms where the traffic in your target geos is undervalued.
I would check to see with your AM if the merchant has similar offers being runned in other geos and test them out.
Keep grinding and good luck man ! I haven't even ran a campaign yet so i probably should shut up lol but hopefully it helps.
@ ysekse
Guess that still didn't work...For what ever reason I still cant get the tokens in
@abysss
thank you.
Ok, so basically what I have been doing. My problem is I change too many things at once, so on days that I was making about $200 went down by a $100 and now I don't know what variable (s) I manipulated for those results. Still in the learning process so will be hammering at this day an night!
A have an account with popcash, but haven’t run anything through there yet. Any suggestions you have on scaling would be very appreciative! My AM even was like time for you to SCALE! Im like ok…how? Lol.
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...-Do-I-Scale-It
@ -You already know what the best-converting traffic segments are - which makes this the ideal time to scale!
Does this mean all traffic carriers the same websiteIDs on all traffic sources? Is that what you mean by that?
Amy
congrates mate for being in green zone that fast
Keep it up
New idol !!
@ Amy thank you for all your amazing aticles and personally responding to me and everyone else on here! I'm sure its time consuming for you to keep up with all us but we all appreciate it! ( well i cant speak for everyone one, but I sure do ! lol
All your advice has been put to the test and I have turned profits, so I cant thank you enough!
I have seen some decreasing numbers, but its because I didnt listen to my own advice and over optimized... again. I'm slowly fixing everything and numbers are coming back to xxx days.
I especially like your optimization advice and the new tutorial on how to find the best carrier traffic. I actually did a split test with one of profitable camps to test your theory.
I noticed that I had a really good volume for carrier traffic in one of my geos and took advantage of it!
Split tests would show i had a much higher ROI when i ran camps wifi and carrier traffic separately. Other geos/traffic sournces would do better if they were combined. But thats what split testing is for!
All in all I learned a ton this past month!
Call it beginners luck, or just persistence, maybe a little bit of both. Only time will tell lol
Anyways talk to you soon AMY/VORTEX!
@ayuluv
thank you!
cheers!
Hey fam,
I deleted my last post for certain reasons, but thought i'd give you a little status.
I have had to pause all my camps. My AM sent out an email and notified all the pubs that were running the offers for these camps, that they were getting charge backs, fines, etc. So not to risk not getting paid, I paused everything and will seek out other offers. Its just tough right when you feel you're getting somewhere you gotta stop because the advertisers were not happy with the leads. Just a heads up, even if you get your landers approved, the advertisers still will sometimes not want to pay out if they dont like their leads. Sucks, but thats life. And to be honest, if you look at the term and conditions for any app install, they are ridiculous!
Marketing is all about getting the users attention, not sending him boring stock popups that I myself wouldnt think twice to download and install.
They even limit you on the colors sometimes that you can use....But anyways that just me being a little angry right now.
Talk to you guys soon.
cheers,
Originally Posted by dima00
However, know that there are TONS of other offers around. You have every reason to be very proud of how much you've accomplished up to this point. You have proven to yourself that there's money to be made in AM, and that you have the know-how to set up and optimize a campaign. Now it's just a matter of testing more offers so you can apply your knowledge and experience to more campaigns. No advertiser or offer can take that away from you.
So - for your previously profitable camps, test similar offers! You have landers that are working, and you know the geo + traffic source + targeting was working. Just find other working offers!
Or, test other geos for the vertical(s) you're familiar with!
Shit happens for sure and we have every right to feel pissed off. But I'm sure you'll get over it and keep plugging away. So many great offers just waiting for you to discover them.
Amy
Hey Amy!
always nice to hear your voice! (cyber-ly) haha
Yes I've spoken with the AM and as of right now I'll get all the money thats coming to me for that run and started running other camps in other geos with other traffic sources as well. BUT man oh man! Is it just me or is Propellar Ads loaded with bot traffic!? I woke up 400 conversions one morning but was still negative! I bid just 1 dollar but got like 183k impressions for a .30 payout.
Im getting a ton of traffic that would seem cheap, but if im correct with my assumptions, i believe they are throwing in tons of bot traffic into the mix.
So the next day I CUT out even the high converting placements ( as they still gave me a negative ROI) and that seemed to help for the first couple hours, but then came the bots i think lol. As i still got over a 100 conversions and ended up being negative. Well I'm learning this traffic source and especially dont like the fact that i to manually set my bid/cost updates into . Just more overhead. But what can you do.
So to summarize I'm expanding my geos, networks, and traffic sources. Taking a few negative hits a long the way, but I think I might be sitting on a profitable campaign if i can figure out how to monetize propellar ads.
Cheers
-Dimitry
WOW Amy that's some in-deph killer info!!!!
And congrats to you dima00!!!
Originally Posted by dima00
always nice to hear your voice! (cyber-ly) haha
Yes I've spoken with the AM and as of right now I'll get all the money thats coming to me for that run and started running other camps in other geos with other traffic sources as well. BUT man oh man! Is it just me or is Propellar Ads loaded with bot traffic!? I woke up 400 conversions one morning but was still negative! I bid just 1 dollar but got like 183k impressions for a .30 payout.
Im getting a ton of traffic that would seem cheap, but if im correct with my assumptions, i believe they are throwing in tons of bot traffic into the mix.
So the next day I CUT out even the high converting placements ( as they still gave me a negative ROI) and that seemed to help for the first couple hours, but then came the bots i think lol. As i still got over a 100 conversions and ended up being negative. Well I'm learning this traffic source and especially dont like the fact that i to manually set my bid/cost updates into
. Just more overhead. But what can you do. So to summarize I'm expanding my geos, networks, and traffic sources. Taking a few negative hits a long the way, but I think I might be sitting on a profitable campaign if i can figure out how to monetize propellar ads.
Cheers
-Dimitry
The only solution I could think of, would be to write a script to monitor placement data, so that if certain criteria are met (e.g. when a certain spend is reached with a conversion rate below a certain threshold), the script would log into propeller automatically to stop the placement.
I've been looking to have something like that programmed for myself too - imagine having something like this for every major pop source. Alas, time seems to be a precious commodity these days - I have yet to put together a job requirement and outsource the job.
In the meantime, you'll just need to constantly keep an eye on your placement data. Perhaps even consider scheduling your sleep hours for the lowest-converting hours in your target geo so you could daypart while you sleep to avoid waking up to "surprises".
It may be worth it to bring up this issue with propeller directly. This thread would be a good place to ask your questions:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...-afraid-to-ask
Good for you for hanging in there and keep testing stuff! This is the work required. We just have to have faith that the more we test, the closer we are to the next profitable campaign. You've succeeded and you will again. And we'll be here looking forward to hearing about your next success, which I'm sure will be soon!
Amy
For those who were following this thread, sorry for not posting lately. I have been expanding, running multiple app installs and sweeps. Have had days were I have made 300-500 a day. Yes Affiliate Marketing works! Although I find my self spending 12 hours a day in this monitoring my campaigns like a hawk ( and working a full time job). Some campaigns have fallen apart. Some days are better than others. All in all, just work hard and it will pay off! I cant quit my day time job yet, as Im not optimized enough to have a consistent xxx days. I have had xxx days and other days i have been -xxx. So still learning everyday. I've expanding into US geo where traffic is super expensive, but not as as pensive as AU for some offers. Just kind of been all over the place lately.
Hope all you guys are also doing well!
Also this is kind of a silly question...
I have only been doing popunder style traffic, so never ran a banner -> lander -> offer style funnel.
If anyone can chime in on how to do an initial banner -> then lead to my landing page -> then after that go to the offer, would greatly appreciate it!
Cheers
Vortex has a nice video explaining how to work in photoshop.
@felyxx really? I've watwched that video before, but that was a couple months ago.Hmm i'll take a look at it again.
Thank you!
Let us know - I'm sure we have a resource on STM that will help you.
Haha thanks @felyxx for mentioning my photoshop vid! @dima00 if you've watched it before don't watch it again - nothing has changed.
If you're looking to get started with display traffic, I have just the post for you:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...isplay-Traffic
This is the perfect bridge from pop traffic - which you're used to - to banner traffic.
And the method doesn't ONLY work for international offers - you could use it to test ANY offer that has a good offer page that will sell itself.
Think of it this way: If you can run an offer on pop traffic by direct-linking, i.e. without using a lander, AND the offer converts, that would be the kind of offer you can test on display traffic using generic banners!
What I'm saying is: You can test a couple of offers in VerticalX by direct-linking on pop. If you get conversions and the ROI isn't bad, you could then collect a bunch of other offers in VerticalX from different geos and test them on display traffic using generic banners.
Doing this type of testing will require a test budget for sure, so please proceed with caution.
Amy
Originally Posted by vortex
If you're looking to get started with display traffic, I have just the post for you:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...isplay-Traffic
This is the perfect bridge from pop traffic - which you're used to - to banner traffic.
And the method doesn't ONLY work for international offers - you could use it to test ANY offer that has a good offer page that will sell itself.
Think of it this way: If you can run an offer on pop traffic by direct-linking, i.e. without using a lander, AND the offer converts, that would be the kind of offer you can test on display traffic using generic banners!
What I'm saying is: You can test a couple of offers in VerticalX by direct-linking on pop. If you get conversions and the ROI isn't bad, you could then collect a bunch of other offers in VerticalX from different geos and test them on display traffic using generic banners.
Doing this type of testing will require a test budget for sure, so please proceed with caution.
Amy
Originally Posted by caurmen
Damn dima for some reason i'm proud of you man ! BIG source inspiration for everybody here. keep up with the greatness man. i decided to start my own follow-along too bro !
great follow along man! keep up the good work and keep us posted!
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