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1000$ per day before summer (18)

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Hi everyone! I think that i should get maximum from this forum, that's why i decided to create my follow along thread. At the beginning i thought that i should do all for myself, but after reading other follow alongs and working with AM for 2 months i understand that it's a really good way of getting new information, finding partners, colleagues etc.

Now i have xxx$ per day and i want to have 1000$ per day before summer.
Offers: antivirus pins with payment <5 $.
Instruments: tracker Voluum, Inferno server + Cloudflare and different spying tools.
Also i have 2 workers - coder and designer.
Traffic: popup (popads, propellerads, popcash, adcash, admoda, leadbolt) and display (buzzcity, mobfox, startapp).
Budget: 10 000$

I have some questions and it will be good if you help me with them :
1. How to start work with offers that have high payment (20-30$)? I started to work with Germany (30$) repeatedly, spent 100$, got bad result and then throwed it.
2. Work with CD, Adsimilis, Mundo. Can you suggest me other good networks that have unique pin offers?
3. Voluum is slow, what other trackers you can suggest? (Funnel, CPVlab or Pixelk?)
4. At which stage i should start testing of new verticals (sweeps, binary, dating, different goods?)
5. What you can say about working with antiviruses in adwords and facebook? With what budget i should start working with this sources? Can you also advice me other good sources for pin submits?
6. From what workers does the AM team consist of? (what structure does it have?)

So, let's start and thank you a lot for help!

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Sounds like a great start!


Some thoughts:

-For something like AV pin submits, you can achieve $xxxx/day on just pop traffic alone, so I would recommend that you focus on pop traffic for now. To reach 4 figures all you need is 1-2 big geos or a number of smaller geos across the major pop networks. Expanding to display traffic will be a whole different beast - not only will you need to test banners, but most exchanges/networks don't allow aggressive tactics. Since aggressive is the way to go when it comes to antivirus on pop, you'll have to start testing landers from scratch too in order to run display traffic.

-Speaking of aggressive - it would be better to only run offers that allow aggressive tactics, unless you want to cloak or otherwise go against the rules and risk having your commissions forfeited. Most pop traffic networks allow aggressive, but there are a few that don't, so be sure to check if you're not sure.

-Antivirus can work well on adult traffic as well so be sure to give that a test! Since you're planning to run on popads you can start with their adult category for a test. There are a ton of adult traffic networks that have pop as well.

-Some good geos to start with: African, Asian, LATAM. Lower competition and higher conversion rates. Don't be misled by the low payouts. I've outlined a rough testing strategy at the end of this post:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post263761



Next I'll try to answer your questions:

The process of optimizing for high payout offers is the same as for low payout offers, but it will require a lot more test budget to get the same amount of data. To see a comparison please see:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post248616

When the offer payout is $30, spending $100 won't be enough to even get a rough idea on whether the offer has potential or not. For example, if your offer accepts 2 OSs and 2 carriers, and you're testing 4 landing pages, that's already 16 different combinations - and only one of the combinations has to be profitable for your campaign to be profitable. That means even if you were to spend $30x16=$780 on testing, it would just give EACH Of the 16 combinations the equivalent of one payout in spending (and that's assuming each combination spends an equal amount).

Don't let me discourage you from testing high payout offers - just be prepared to spend an appropriate amount on money on testing before throwing in the towel.


At STM we do not endorse any affiliate networks so please exercise due diligence before working with a network. But here are some I've either worked with myself or heard good things about:

Appflood, Oasisads, Yeahmobi, Matomy, Affiliaxe, Maxbounty, Peerfly


I would suggest FunnelFlux. It's very versatile when it comes to setting up different flows. Also, it can cost a lot less when you're running volume (especially for pop).


I would suggest sticking to antivirus for now - like I said above, you can reach your goal of 4-figures just with AV alone.

By just working with antivirus, you'll know which landers elements work. Of course every geo will be a bit different, but some landers will work well across geos. All you need to do is get your landers translated and start testing other geos. Also, there are geos that speak the same language (e.g. spanish, arabic, chinese...) so you could test multiple geos using the same set of landers.


I'm sure there's a way to make antivirus work on adwords and facebook, but you'd have to stay really compliant, unless you're prepared to cloak and risk getting your account banned.

Basically if you stick to the larger pop sources - those will have the potential of giving you your 4-figure days if you're willing to test geos, offers and landers. You've already listed some pop sources, here are others you can try:

zeropark, mediahub, exoclick, gunggo, wiget media, wwwpromoter


Are you talking about building your own team? Please clarify. If so I could direct you to some good threads on that topic.


Looking forward to your next update!



Amy

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How? For example i have za antivirus pin, try to work with it in popads for example. After making a black i get small volumes of traffic, and this situation i have in other sources of pop traffic. After that i decided other geo. The problem is that on antivirus pins there is a small number of geo in antivirus pins (only 7-10 without europe/usa) and from this number of them only 3-5 are profitable.

Yes, i'm talking about building my team.

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You can see top GEOs there https://www.popads.net/traffics/inventory
You need only TR, VN and TH to reach xxxx$

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7-10? You probably need to join more affiliate networks. There are tons of geos to try for Africa, Asia and LATAM.


If you look at popads' inventory, there's really not much volume there for ZA:

https://www.popads.net/traffics/inventory


There are definitely LOTS of geos that have more traffic than ZA. (If you target one of the top geos - heck, even just one of the carriers in one geo can get you close to 4 figures if you have a good-enough funnel that allows you to bid high.)


Other considerations when it comes to volume:

-Did you reach profitability by testing offers and landers to optimize your funnel BEFORE mass-cutting placements? Or did you reach green by mass-cutting? For the smaller geos, the latter strategy is not recommended, because it would leave you with very little traffic at the end.

-Have you tested different bid levels? Bidding higher will often get you more traffic and higher conversion rates. Did you target as broad as possible in the beginning or did you limit your targeting from the start? For smaller geos it's often better to target broad at least in the beginning, and only restrict traffic when you have a reason to.

-You mentioned that 3-5 geos are profitable for you. Have you scaled those to the other big pop traffic sources yet? I've listed some in the last post. That's where I would start right now if I were you - just scale currently-profitable camps to all major pop sources.



For the best threads on building your own team - please see the FAQ thread and search for "How do I start building my own team?":

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...-AM-FAQ-Thread!

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Haha mrbraun nice to see you here! Looks like we were posting at around the same time.

And yup - you've said it!


Amy

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Nice to see you too!
I enjoy reading your posts. You help a lot of people and I also want to do it, but I have a bad english yet

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Your English is more than good enough to help other people - you already ARE helping! Much appreciated!


Amy

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On antivirus pins? Hm, i tested them and the showed bad results. Thank you, i'll work with them repeatedly.

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Yes, AV pins and 360 security.

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Yes, i cut them after some result (3 payments on 1 publishers for example), cutting of publishers with small ctr (bots)

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ok, good

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Perhaps you started cutting placements before you improved your funnel sufficiently? Remember that even the best placements will not convert if you don't have a good offer + lander.


Try to test multiple offers, multiple landers, and multiple bids from the very beginning. Doing so will maximize your chances of finding success.

You only need to get ONE of these geos profitable to get to 4 figures/day. Considering the earnings potential, it's worth putting in the time and money to test until you make it work. Best of luck!



Amy

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Good luck on your journey Kiril

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After 4 months of work i achieved my goal and now i want to have xxxxx$ per day. Mostly we (i hired 3 employees) work with pin submits and utilities. Traffic from redirects, banners, also i start working facebook. Looking for new sources and advertisers. I will go to AWE, so we can meet and discuss all moments there. Thank you STM!

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Hi Continental,

Whats your avg ROI on a daily basis? I do Facebook ads, but am looking to start diversifying.

Good stuff!

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Great to see someone setting themselves a goal and reaching it.

Good luck reaching your next goal (and the one after that)!

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50-100

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