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Before I turn this blank thread into my canvas I'll let you know a little about me so I can get a little better help from you.
I plan on absolutely fucking crushing this.
Everything I need to do is coming together and I'm not waiting around to watch things happen.
That's all.
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First campaign popped with Adsimilis.
6 insane creatives lined up, going to be preparing the next two of my angles ahead of time.
I honestly wouldn't mind if this campaign bombs, you guys will then be able to witness greatness in graphics form. Until that time grab your spy kits.
Tracking
Country: Kenya
Pin Submit for a Battery Saver. Believe it or not I'm actually really excited about this one. Can't wait for all the -ROI to try and crush all my hopeful optimism in the update.
Using Go2Mobi banner ads 320x50. Budget $30/day.
Began my first campaign after waiting all (damn) day for go2mobi's approval and watching 9 clicks come in... while fumbling with
Painful noobie questions to my AM and
Since the balls in Go2mobi's hands "nothing more" I can do right now.
Subtle differences in the guide kept throwing me off and mainly I was rushing a bit since it is pretty easy to understand. Just the set up is finnicky.
looks green to me.
ehhh shouldnt've tested the conversion so high.
Any way I can reset that?
Status :: artificially 5,345% conversion rate & + $60
Also, the conversion didn't track in Adsimilis? It wasn't supposed to... right?
Day -One
paused it early, my tracking is bunk.
I actually knew it was when I first started but I cbf to miss Kenya waking up again. Happened anyway.
Changed the links back to appetizer standard and waiting for the campaign to re-approved again. Which I understand.
and for my creatives I'm just going to add them here. I wasn't too confident in this first set, they make you think a little and I need to make them a little more straightforward. Might just upload my second set that's much more focused and organized.
Gotta get tracking sorted.
sorted.
Good Luck and hope you crush it! 
After taking a bit of time to read a few more follow alongs through.. I'm going to be COMPLETELY transparent.
Battery Saver RD : 1
Adsimilis: DU Battery App
geo: Kenya
budget: 5/day
Round: 1
Although these ads were running at pretty terrible times ( VERY Late / Early in Kenya)
From what I'm seeing, terrible CTR, if these were Bing ads I'd re-do everything completely. Which I'm going to do The banner ads are cluttery, hard to read, bad. I've got some cool ones to replace them with which I'll do and test.
Any I should Keep running?
What does this data really mean? Is this really significant?
The payout is something like $.065 and I spent $10 TOTAL running this for three days, and that was after the wsated $5 running the first. Not too concerned, in short.
But beyond the 3-5x payout.
Round Two Pending:
http://imgur.com/a/FpBKu
I'm a bit disappointed with the copy. Needs to be far more specific. Was too busy trying to piece together
NEW OFFER with MUNDO -- RD 1
budget: 10/day
traffic: go2mobi Smaato
offer: UC Web App
payout: $0.50
geo: indonesia.
CPC: ? --> is there a way to know this before hand by the way?
10 new banners
5 static 5 animated.
I made the mistake of only changing the headlines.
It's all one angle said differently. Should have tested a variety of angles / designs and if it shows potential THEN dig deeper into it.
Lesson learned?
BANNER ADS. Feedback would be cool. I put enough time into these. I should have made the text white. I don't know why I didn't and I feel I'm going to pay for it. We shall see.
http://imgur.com/a/2GNAC
Haven't ran it yet, waiting for these campaigns to get approved is obnoxious. Soon enough my updates will be actual data.
Q: Wondering "ideal" amount of banners to "test" at a time, especially on pretty low budget?
Would it make a difference due to the amount of clicks being spread among all the banners? From what I understand it just takes longer.
I don't want to rush things and open up a new geo / run the same offer on a different network, yet. Saving that for when I see green.
Q: Running the advertiser's supplied creatives or make my own? to be honest some of these look pretty good.
As a start, talk to your AM more. He/she can give you an idea which apps are hot at the moment. DU has been running since i start AM in 2014 and UC before that even (not saying it doesn't work now because I do not know if it still does). Getting in on the hot offer running now offers you the peace of mind that the offer your AM suggested DEFINITELY converts.
Q: Wondering "ideal" amount of banners to "test" at a time, especially on pretty low budget?
Would it make a difference due to the amount of clicks being spread among all the banners? From what I understand it just takes longer.
I don't want to rush things and open up a new geo / run the same offer on a different network, yet. Saving that for when I see green.
Personally I go for 5-10 for the first round because I don't know what works. The aim is not to get profitable but for a first step, get some conversions. Of course if you get profitable immediately then life is awesome. But doesn't happen that often for people starting out. So just go wide and run traffic to them hoping for a couple of conversions.
Q: Running the advertiser's supplied creatives or make my own? to be honest some of these look pretty good.
Definitely your own. Or other affiliates'. Go read up on spying. Gets you profitable way way faster.
APM Jeremy
Seriously people (its not just you rakoff), why do you still try to push the most saturated apps in the world, such as DU batter saver? Do you enjoy throwing money out of the window? I personally wrote it on this forum a dozen times (and many others did too), these apps are done with whitehat promotions, even with blackhat approch its hard as hell. Choose a different vertical please.
Originally Posted by acepowermarketing
Yeah spy tools are next on my list.
Originally Posted by matuloo
Originally Posted by rakoff
QUICK UPDATE:
Only active campaign I have right now: my Anti Virus for Ghana.
Banners - Direct Linking & 1 LP
Have two additional LP's pending with banners that are more specific, more info on that in the next after it goes LIVE.
First conversionY&*^%&*@^$*&!^$!#&!&#(u!I!!!~!!
Haven't spent even $6 yet. Should see enough data to ACTUALLY begin tweaking by tuesday, so far looks promising. Only been up for a day.5 maybe ghana time.
As you can see, the statistics point to the conclusion that I need more statistics. Thoughts?
I went through the mobile cookbook again to see if I could go any further on any of the steps. All of my banners are around .03 cost per click, so no changes there,
then I went to placements and blacklisted 2 where the cost was 4x the payout.
I put my wooden stick down and picked up a club with
Also picked up adplexity, more on that when it's relevant in the next update.
Quick Q #1 about setting up campaigns.
context: I was reading up on atilla's blog. "Importance of media buying -- angles & testing" not exact title but something close.
How he set up his campaign.... the date was 2013? so A bit old now.
Attila Method
Instead of putting all the banners into ONE campaign. He had 20 banners ( 10 angles, 2 banner styles) , and put two per campaign.
That was "10 campaigns" in both setting up tracking & traffic.
Is that still relevant and a good idea?
I was under the impression this would "distort" the data as the individual campaigns would be subject to individual environments. Meaning, the campaigns would each collect their own set of variables and essentially be an island from each other? Or am I wrong.
---> The best I could see that doing is instead of blacklisting ALL placement for EVERY banner, it allows you to blacklist ONLY the banners that aren't doing well on that placement.
More precise optimization.
Is that how I should be setting up campaigns? I'm probably going to try it next time for myself no matter what you all think, I'll never say no insight (from stack).
Again, 20 banners, 2 per campaign, 10 campaigns set up in both the tracking and the traffic platforms.
Few Quick Q's about Split Testing CPA network offers.
1) as long as it's same vertical and in the same geo, do it?
2) Keep them seperate or in the campaign?
Ex)having the offers rotate out Banners -> LP -> offer 1 / offer 2 / offer 3, etc.
Now that I'm finding a home in all of this I want to start acting like I know what I'm doing.
edit:
Q There's a world greater than Ghana out there, should I wait around for even a glimpse of what my creatives / and angles do in Ghana, or should I just start up a new camp in a new geo right away?
currently finding Ghana offers across the networks to split test with, but specific to ghana just different offer.
Let me adress a few questions of yours.
What Atilla did, was testing 10 angles, 2 banners styles - he tested each angle separately and gave each angle 2 banners with just a different style but same wording. I think it was an adwords campaign, where it makes sense to launch multiple campaigns like his, cause it gives you faster results when it comes to data - if you can afford the initial loss. Adwords works on CPC, so they use their algo to disitribute impressions with the highest CPC value in mind, so in that cases, it makes sense to setup multiple campaigns to test faster - basically you are trying to trick the algo to give you a burst of initial impressions quickly across multiple campaigns, this way you will get more impresion in total, than you would if you've put all banners into 1 campaign.
I dont think it makes sense in your case. Then again, Im not sure where you are running this. So where are you running this?
With adwords you can pretty much count on them to not sell you the worst crap available, while with other networks, you are always guaranteed to get a lot of bots too. So its kinda mandatory to learn how to identify spots crowded with bots, otherwise you cannot test anything else. Its pointless to try to optimize banners/LPs when you are getting bots that wont convert You need to build a funnel that works, and you can test that one on whatever source - if it converts wonders on one placement and totally bombs on another source (ie 0 leads) then its almost guaranteed that the later placement sucks and you want to cut it. Please note that funnels are not 100% transferable from one placement to another, but the patterns are very visible.
Split testing - you either split exactly he same offer, just from another network, or an offer that is compatible with the angle and targeting. You always need to split test at least 2 or 3 offer against each other, before deciding which one to push for longer. When split testing, you keep it in the same campaign, to make sure all other variables remained the same and the rotation is as even as possible.
You dont have to stick to just Ghana, but dont jump at 10 more geos before you have something that works. If you want to test more GEOs, pick one or two more.
Yeah I didn't realize until you pointed that out his website is pretty dedicated to Google AdWords. I'm forming a bit of a system for myself for how I'm keeping everything organized. It's coming together.
I'm branching out to a few more Geo's, I'll update them individually right now I'm only running an iPhone Sweep for South Africa.
CAMPAIGN UPDATE:
Past:
I've abondoned my Anti Virus and everything else before. I ran two sets -- one was a legitimate hyping of an anti virus -- got 1 conversion out of it, I'll take it. The second was more aggressive "You're phone will implode" landing pages. They were good to get my head into this but I can't see myself constantly bending and emasculating my landing pages to meet traffic guidelines. All of my aggro anti virus landing pages got kicked back from Go2Mobi ( "download/play now" banner to landing page), so I'm just done with it. I'd have to completely re-optimize them for pop ---> Better opportunities around.
Current
Win iPhone 6s -- ZA Geo-- Everything's Set up in English to Match The offer pages.
Affiliate Networks : MUNDO, ClickDealer, Adsim.
Traffic: PopCash -- $4.00 per 1k impressions. (.004 bid)
I wanted to set up multiple tiers (high, mid, low)... My
1) I don't know how to duplicate a campaign and get a unique campaign url link that tracks seperately.
2) I can't remember how to set up the variables in the campaign url, especially if it's not in the pre-set PopCash template. ( though I'm finding I don't need to set anything more). Still would like to re-understand all of this.
I confused myself somehow.
I did set a (second popcash campaign with a) higher bid at .007 -- $7/1k but the tracking wasn't reporting and I didn't want popcash to eat more than my $6. Follow up question to this below.
First Day : schlacked.
But I haven't even hit 1x payout for these offers yet.
I paused 1 lander that was getting completely ignored as far as interaction (wizaf). The "clicks" are visits and "LP clicks" are to the offer.
DO NOTHING
My plan was just to keep everything running, spend $75 total ($50 more. math.)
and then pause everything, sift through the data, and see if I need to optimize the lander or cut placements from only that point.
1) Am I wrong -- is it not too early in the spending process to make changes?
Would you suggest I see what changes I should make quick before everyone wakes up in South Africa? It's 6am there right now.
2) PopCash Campaign Set Up.
So as I need to re-learn tracking, is this something I should "wait" to do, or do it now and set up a lower bid and a higher bid? I'm trying not to spend too much money before I can get at least a sign of progress so opted not to until I improve my first round.
I'm working on two additional offers while all this cooks.
Spent all day getting my ass kicked in photoshop and about 7 hours later finally coming out with something worthwhile.
Goal is to have these two new campaigns up & live by my next update.
EDIT: A few hours later now.
Updated PopCash iPhone Campaign.
1) Removed Desktop traffic......... 1.5k visits, 355 clicks. 0 Conversions. But They were Still being sent to default offer.
2) Raised bid from .004 to .006 as my mobile clicks were quite low. Hope this will keep things moving along.
Campaign #1
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iPhone - ZA - Landing Pages
77% overall ROI
2 conversions, the landing page I didn't rip is actually in the green $ 0.60, it's absolutely simple and makes sense.
Needs to spend another $30 before I take any more action.
Had a linux conversion after removing desktop and mac, then remembered what linux is and went in and removed it. My landing pages aren't optimized for mobile and I don't want to burn clicks "hoping" that the right landing page gets rotated for linux.
Strictly mobile now which cut traffic in half which should save me a ton and give me better results. But it'll come slower.
I guess this is round 2 of testing now, so after the $75 spent I'll see where to go.
Campaign #2
H&M 250 voucher - Germany - Direct Linking
I created two "camps" for 320x50 banner ads --.11 cpc & 320x250 ads. --> .21 cpc
Very rough. Was expecting .04, but this isn't ghana.
completely destroyed as kind of expected. This was a half court shot, I had no idea what I was doing, felt completely lost making the creatives and lost sight of "the goal". Wasted a solid day to re-learn to keep things simple.
The campaign is about 60% to statistical significance,
one network is 4x payout, which I'm going to remove.
F5/CD still need some more money invested.
I want to just kill this campaign, the creatives are all at about 1x payout and again, abysmal CTR. .20% (every .0023 people are clicking these ads.)
But I'll let it ride out the extra $5-6 and hopefully prove me wrong.
laugh at my banners.
http://imgur.com/topic/Awesome/CyUD2l3
300x250
http://imgur.com/a/wHO5c
320x50
http://imgur.com/a/WV2fX
With this one, Right now I can't even close a door let alone sell FREE GOLD.
Samung S6 Edge
AU
3 bids,
rd1
I wasn't getting anything on mid bid, so I traded that for a higher bid to see what happens, kept everything else.
ROUND 2
It's getting difficult to keep track of the campaigns.
The data is all in different campaigns ( and this is now only 6 right ), I need to find a better way to keep everything organized. Etching necessary / relevant notes into a notebook then transferring over into a log in an excel sheet.
noted down the carriers/devices/ times/ offers & landing pages.
Everything's performing equally, there's one network that hasn't hit a conversion yet but I feel it's time is soon, so I guess I'll keep it for now.
Changing the bid didn't really help any. My lowest bid received nothing this time, best bid so far has been mid. But everything's taking it's turn to convert.
(the Max bid cost is off by about $15. I didn't do the math, but the bid change didn't save, so I'm quite more in the red on that one, only 1 conversion came from the highest bid/)
I'm going to set up a whitelisted campaign with all the same landers / -1 offer, mid bid level, and run that for 3x payout and just use the specific zones at a higher bid. For my MAX bid, my conv rate is POWER LVL 19900%
Then I'm going to run a second mid bid level, with some new landers and we'll go from there. I have no idea what to optimize per individual lander element, but my CTR is crazy low, so I feel if I can get that up somehow, everything will rise with it. 12 total clicks across all 3 campaigns for 2 days and 6 conversions with 10k views. lol. alright then.
Then after round 3^ I'm going to start throwing in banners with a new traffic source.
Questions
1) Best way to keep everything organized?
I'm using
2) Probably a good idea to be watching for when my campaigns go live, yea?
I'll have to set up the campaign, keep checking to see when everything's approved, then note what time my country's best chance at converting is and run them then. The budget is used up almost instantly.
3) When you don't have much data, is there anything other than experience & common sense that should tell me what to optimize?
For example, my main concern right now is I'm wasting "visits". They aren't clicking. I'll have to add a better headline to get their attention, maybe a little better copy. I may have answered my own q there.
Banners will help me find that.
Goal then is to wake up, put everything together and have it going again to check in the AM.
I'm going to take this as a learning process.
Spent around $200 for this offer.
This is for the Samsung S6 in Australia. I was crazy excited to test my landing pages, I can't imagine what more I could've done.
Going to do a trial run for a similar offer, then back to tier 2/3 offers until I get my first $5/day.
I did whitelist a campaign for this offer but it hasn't spent anything yet. If it doesn't show any activity within a day or two I'll pull that completely.
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