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Determined - Do Or Die in Mobile - Target 1k/day (43)

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Dear Fellow Mates,

I am really into mobile and at the moment I had created some campaigns for mobile sweeps and pin submits.

Right now I have some issues which I hope it can be rectify soon.

Below are the things I had accomplished :

* Own Domain

* Voluum

Traffic Sources : Airpush and looking into Go2Mobi and PopAds

I had read some Go2Mobi banner and LP restrictions and I realised that alot of those LP have been disapproved.

Currently am still using direct but Airpush allows me to use a type of bottompop banner.

Now the main issues are:

* Airpush do not allow offer that has creatives showing virus infected etc type of wording (it appears on the offer site itself for AntiVirus)

* Airpush does not allow timer offers (Airline vouchers)

* Airpush also keep disapprove my "win iphone offer for VN"


May I know are the offers actually doable in Airpush or should I try another traffic source for it?

I am really determine to succeed in mobile AM and am willing to learn as much and as fast as I can

Thanks mates

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Do or die? That's the spirit. You can't update these follow-alongs enough! The only thing that matters, is you keep trying, fail, fail, fail some more and then win. Not necessarily in that order but with determination you can do this.

Best of luck - staying driven.

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Hey thanks alot mate

I will update my progressing with some screen shots

Since i started AM i begin to hate my 15 hrs / day job as i want more time to do AM

But i had ex business debts to settle monthly so i cant just let go of it instantly

I had relief myself for a couple of days a week of offday to do AM

I want to be out of the rat race thing. But there might be some things i am doing wrong

Besides Airpush, is there any other traffic source you will be able to suggest for newbie like me?

I had gotten 4-5 campaigns disapproved by them

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29th Jan 2016

I had decided to start off with Clickdealer and using Airpush as my traffic source.

Offer : AntiVirus ZA
CPA : 5.00
Mobile : Download

After managed to set up some creatives but still using direct link, I managed to run the campaign for a while before it gets disapproved eventually



Offer : Win iPhone VN
CPA : 0.31
Mobile Pin


The CTR is not good perhaps due to am using direct link. After changing the offer words to VN there seems to have some issue with the offers ending up disapproved

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30th Jan 2016

I had chosen one offer from Avazu to test it in Airpush using direct link again

Offer : Teebik ZA
CPA : 4.50
Mobile Download (Whatsmob)

I tried the link and it is working but Airpush tells me that the link is not working hence my campaign is unable to start



And I select one of the exclusive offer from F5

Offer : Airline Voucher $1000
CPA : 2.8

Apparently the original creative has a countdown timer and Airpush does not allow it

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31st Jan 2016

My Manager suggest that I should try Admoda or Popads if i am having issue with Airpush.

Hence i give it a shot for the F5 offer again setting a budget of $20.00

Offer : Airline Voucher $1000
CPA : 2.8
Mobile Sweeptakes

It was a good news that I received the email from Popads saying my campaign was approved this noon but I was quite shocked that the fund was depleted in a few hours time.

I had some clicks but only then I found a thread by Amy (vortex) saying how to adjust the bidding amount vs impression

Lesson learnt :

* Must do landing page
* Must do spying
* Must adjust the bid vs impression if using Popads

Credits and special thanks to Andry You know who you are if you are reading this

Now a question. I have decided to pins and sweeptakes for mobile. Which traffic source should I stick with? Currently i had only tried Airpush and Popads. Or is there some other traffic source I should try the offers with?

Thanks in advance

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For mobile pop You can try Popcash, Adcash, and Propellerads. For display go2mobi is pretty good.

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If you want to be "aggressive" in your banners and landers (e.g. "You have xx viruses!"), Airpush and go2mobi won't be a good match. You may want to try pop traffic - most pop sources will approve almost anything. Just make sure to check with the affiliate network / advertiser of the offer, to make sure they allow aggressive promotion tactics.

For sweeps/vouchers type offers, using a landing page would be a good idea. Spying to see what types of landers are being used the most often would be great idea as well - would be good to rip and test them to establish a benchmark, just to see what types of landers are performing well so you'd have a starting point when optimizing.


orion88 has listed some good pop sources. Adcash and Propellerads used to be managed sources, but they also have self-served service now. Zeropark is another one worth testing.


Can't view your attachments - what were they?


Amy

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Thanks alot mate Advise noted

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Yes Amy, i had tried Popads and it burn my funds in a short period @.@


Thanks Amy. I have yet to subscribe for the STM spying service. Looks like i need to do so fast. Andry also advised me on that


Yes that was awesome. But currently zeropark do not accept me as I am new to this business But I will get back to them again once I had something to show them


Amy sorry about that. I had edited the post with the correct images

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5th February 2016

Subscribed to AdPlexity to start spying on "free" offers such as sweeps / pins.
Thanks to STMer's for the recommendations

After done with some spying, I had decided to try mobile downloads instead of sweeps due to unable to find offers that contributes good traffic.


Offer : UC Browser
CPA : 0.40
Mobile : Download

I had used one LP to test it out via PropellerAds

Waiting for results

Btw does anyone knows which firefox item should I download to test mobile landing page?

Thanks alot ya

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11th February 2016

I had started 2 offers from the same AFF network

Offer 1 :
UC Browser
CPA : 0.40
Mobile : Download
Geo : VN
LP : Yes

Offer 2:
Wifi Master
CPA : 0.18
GEO : Various
LP : No (Direct)

TS - PropellerAds

I had set a budget of USD 10.00 per campaign



Results :

Offer 1 has 2,788 visits, 4 conversations, ROI -57.45%

Offer 2 has 64,783 visits, 14 conversions, ROI -97.94%


I feel that offer 1 can be improved with better LP and I only managed to spend 3+ on it due to offer 2 has depleted all my funds

Offer 2 does not have a LP but may be better with a few variations which I am working on it with the help of Andrey

There are a few countries which does not convert and I need to optimize and remove them and test again for those that are converting

Am I doing at a right track or is there something I need to change?

Thanks alot mates

Sorry for the late updates as I managed to get off for today

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Nice! You're doing great!

Tip: I've heard from more than one person that Swift Wifi from the Avazu network converts better, so you may want to split-test Wifi Master Key with that.


Amy

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Thanks alot Amy for your encouragement

I will heed your tips and try out swift wifi from avazu as i have an AM there too .

Btw is there any part that i am doing wrong or direction which i am wrong and needs to be corrected?

I read about the using of 3 campaigns like white list, test campaign and lower bid campaign

I am not sure how does this goes about but still thanks to the mates for sharing

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Hi Amy,

I had tried swift wifi on airpush using their custom creative.
Had realize airpush is cpc based but it did not generate conversions yet using usd10.00 to try

PropellerAds is using cpm but only popunder for self serve and swift wifi do not allow pop

Should i keep using airpush or is there any better alternatives?

Thanks alot

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This is probably what you're talking about:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...high-x-xxx-day

An alternative method: Set up several camps at different bids to see which one give you the best ROI, and pause the other camps. Just use the remaining camp to test your creatives and offers. (Or, if more than one camp is profitable, just keep them both/all running.) You can choose 3 bids to start for example - low, average, and high. Here's a sample process for picking bids:

http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post258609

Don't forget to set a budget to limit your spending, especially for the high bid camp.

Many app install offers don't allow pop. Some people still do run on pop anyway but they need to cloak and there's always the risk of getting caught. Mobile DSPs are the typical sources to use for app installs. Try go2mobi, inmobi, millenial media, avazu mdsp, etc.

As for creatives - by "their custom creative" are you referring to the default creatives provided by the advertiser? Those will rarely work. You'll most probably need to test your own creatives from your own angles. If you would like feedback on your banners, please feel free to post them here.



Amy

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Hi Amy,

Thanks so much for your insight and sharing. Let me work it out and try

Oh ya the creatives i meant is the airpush's custom creatives. Those that you can create using airpush before the whole campaign is completed

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19th February 2016

I had tried out swift wifi from avazu and test it on airpush since I have some credits in it.

Created 5 creatives and angles in airpush (I know it sucks but i just wanted to try how their abstract banners work)

Only 1 (creative 3) has a conversion and all the 4 of them are 0

Spent USD 10.00 on them and attached are the banners



And I had also set one campaign running on propellerads but the conversion is only 1 compared to previously at 4. I had only optimized the connection type (3G) and set to android phone.
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May I know is there anything wrong or things i need to change and improve? Thanks

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Some suggestions:

1)If you're wanting to compare the 2 wifi apps, you need to split-test them by rotating them evenly in one campaign, and not run them separately at different times.

2)If you're up for testing banners, consider trying go2mobi - you may have more luck there.

3)What happened to the UC Browser camp? You were doing -50% ROI there compared to -98% ROI for the first wifi app. Perhaps it would be easier to get that camp to green?


Regarding your creatives: The text in creatives 2 and 5 are too small and hard to read, and white text against a light-blue background isn't the best color combo. Caurmen gives great tips on improving ad readability in this guide: http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...D-Your-Damn-Ad

However, some of your angles look like they may have a lot of potential! What you should do is create several banners from each angle, so you can see a trend as to which angles are better. Write a few headlines for each angle, and consider testing more than one image per angle. I spent a couple of minutes "researching" into some of your angles - here are some resources I found (of course only testing will tell how good the angles are....or not):

Possible effects of cell phone radiation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile...ion_and_health

Some images that could work (I searched for "phone radiation damage"):





Images like these may not fit too well into smaller-sized banners such as the 320x50, but could work well on larger-sized banners like 300x250 or 320x480 (these larger sizes normally have less competition too).

Regarding roaming charges: You can try being more direct, for example with a headline that says "Shrink your phone bill!" or similar, followed by smaller text that says something like "Get this app to start saving!"

There are many angles you can try. Testing lots of angles and finding at least one that works is the key. Have fun with that! And if you need help coming up with angles, we have an entire forum section that can help you:

http://stmforum.com/forum/forumdispl...can-post-here)



Amy

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OMG Amy!! You are awesome !!

1) I had blocked head when I was thinking of using pops for UC while using banners for Swift in airpush

2) Oh thanks Amy. I will "ditch" Airpush aside for now. Btw compared to Avazu mDSP and Go2Mobi, which are recommended? Avazu requires 1k top up though

3) the UC browser campaign has actually one conversion on 19th Feb but due to I ran for the whole day the ROI dropped from positive to -90%. I am still using the same lander ripped from spying with vietnam language.

I had readjust the bids and zoning for this camp in propellerads



As for the airpush creatives, I had to agree some of them are not so good and thanks for the feedback so I will improve on it

Currently I have 1 conversion on creative 3 and today I had 2 conversions on creative 1. I think I made one mistake is to do multiple countries as not all of them speaks english. Perhaps I should do a campaign just for a country alone?



If I did not remember wrongly, cashvertising did mentioned that blue is a very acceptable color for advertisement that is why I use blue, but there are alot of rooms for improvements. Thanks for referring me the link ya Amy.

And thanks alot for the compliment I am glad that some of my angles may have potential which of course I will trust you in that. I feel that "protection" and "fear" are something that can be quite powerful in terms of copy writing. Savings can be awesome too since my only 2 converted banners are belonging to them.

Oh ya Amy, if I were to do banners I should just use the pictures that are similar like the ones you had showed me and add some words on top like heading and body right? For this situation will a LP works better than banner?

Thanks again ya

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They're both great networks but I find go2mobi to be more newbie-friendly.


That is weird - did the ROI drop gradually over a few days, or suddenly over the same day?

If you look at your placement stats - were you getting traffic from similar placements before and after the ROI drop? Or from very different placements?

Perhaps you got outbid. It may be worth it to increase you bid to see if you can increase your ROI back to original levels.


These are all things you can test. For example you can put some white space at the top/bottom/side of the banner and put the text in there. Or you could put the text right on the image like in the "Cellphones damage sperm!" banner. As for using a landing page vs. direct-linking from banner to offer - that would be something else to test. For a free app, sometimes a good banner is all it takes to convert visitors, but a good landing page can increase the ROI by a lot if you do it right. One thing you can do, is just test banners until you find a good angle, and then start adding and testing landers that reflect the same angle.



Amy

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Thanks Amy I will heed your suggestions



It happened when I had tried it after a few days. It should be the same placement somehow as propellerAds only uses popunder for self serve. The only I had done is I switched from "All Devices" to "3G Android and IOS devices". I had also realised that the impression suddenly drops to below 10k today even at the highest CPM. What does it actually mean? Does that mean that propellerAds do not have placement at the said Geo?


Thanks alot Amy. I had just downloaded PS today and will try it out using the PS tutorial you had share with us

Awesome Amy!!

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26th February 2016

I had made some banners for the said offer. Currently the bigger one seems to be too slower in loading (14 sec) which may result less ctr

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Don't forget to ALWAYS test also the "non animated" versions... personally I've always had better CTR with static banners. Also if you don't use an LP between your banners & offer, it might not be clear at all why using wifi can save your sperm.

if the "gap" between your angle and the offer is too broad, people won't understand it unless you have an LP explaining your angle / why the offer solve XYZ problem

sidenote: not sure your MDSP will like/approve the sperm thing ;-)

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Hi mate, Thanks for your reply

I understand your intention to fill in a LP (bridge) for the said offer ya

Will keep in mind of your suggestion

Currently they do approve this "sperm" thing though.. but the negative i am getting is from my friend side saying that aff marketing is a scam...

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27th - 28th February 2016

Attached is the data I got from Go2mobi

Currently only doing 1 Geo (SG)

Am I doing something wrong?

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I haven't used the self-serve platform on propeller yet (it didn't have self-serve when I last used it) so don't know what the targeting options are like. It depends on what devices are included in "All Devices". For example if desktop traffic is included, then I can see how switching to "Android and IOS" would cause the big drop in traffic. You may want to email propeller support with this question.


Placements are sites where your ad will be shown on. Did you enter propeller's dynamic tracking tokens into your tracker? There's a {zoneid} token that will allow you to see placement stats in your tracker.

You may want to check placements stats for before and after the traffic drop, to see if you were getting traffic from different placements. For example, it could be that one of your big placements was sending you a lot of traffic before, and you got outbid by a competitor and lost that traffic.



Amy

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Good point about there being a gap between the sperm angle and the offer!


They look great! However, my guess is it would be better to use single exclamation points rather than double (makes it look exaggerated and scammy). You can also take out the "s" behind "sperm".

Like wiifmdude said, there is too big of a gap between the banners and the offer. Still - so many clicks without a single conversion is pretty brutal.

I do usually just direct-link first without an LP, but then the angles I choose are mostly pretty straight-forward, so that when visitors see the appstore/playstore page it's obvious to them how the app will fulfill the function I promised on my banners. But with our "saving sperm" and "shrinking phonebill" angles, I guess it's not obvious why a wifi app would achieve these goals.

So what we can try is maybe a simple lander that contains the same images you used in the banners, that says something like:

You can make a lander for the "shrink your phonebill" banners as well - basically point out how exactly the app will save on mobile costs. (By the way I just read the app description on the playstore page and couldn't find the correlation myself either - so it would DEFINITELY be necessary to point it out on the lander. Thanks again wiifmdude!) However, if the savings can't be achieved by most people, I would suggest throwing out the angle. You want to test angles that will appeal to enough people.


Also - I came across this article which lists more angles you could try if you want to go the radiation damage route:

https://www.rfsafe.com/pocket-cell-p...s-infertility/

I'm thinking that perhaps not a lot of men are worried about not being able to conceive, especially the younger crowd. But "Brain Damage" and "Erectile Dysfunction" should grab more people's attention. The "lower testosterone levels" may also make a good angle. Here are some of the other things that will also decrease as a result of having low testosterone:

-sex drive
-sperm production
-muscle mass/strength
-fat distribution
-bone density
-red blood cell production

I'd imagine most guys would be quite concerned about losing their sex drive or muscle mass.

You know the offer's converting for other people - it's just a matter of testing lots of angles to find at least one that works well enough. See if you can come up with more angles. There are also lots of other angles to try besides radiation damage.



Amy

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#dead.
those sperm banners are amazing.



But out of context I have no idea what you're on about.
Keep at it.

It wouldn't hurt, I do this all the time, to take a day or two and work on something BEYOND the campaign. I'm constantly taking a bit of time to improve my design ability -- learn something in a tutorial or work on something I'm struggling with. ( classic example was the pen tool)
Read up on creating angles and then DO IT>> the "30 second game". Pick a topic. DON"T THINK JSUT WRITE> SHIT IT OUT> as many "angles" you can think of. Don't stop. forget typos. keep typing. even if you're next angle becomes "pizza white phone milf whale">

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learned a lot reading this follow along

@ayuluv keep up the good work

@vortex thank you for the great tips

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26th March 2016

Set up 2 similar offers

Each offers have 9 landers

Created 2 camps at Voluum (1 for each offer)

Created 3 camps at Popads (low, mid, high consisting of rotating 2 offers in each camp)

Removed all blacklisted IDs

Opt to receive traffics from all websites (100%)

I am looking to use monetizer to redirect the exiting traffic or incorrect geo traffic. May I know does anyone can show me how to do that?

Thanks alot

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I can't understand how you were able to do that lol! Could you please explain how you set up 2 camps in Voluum but 3 camps at popads? You've got 2 campaign urls from the 2 camps in Voluum - how were you able to set up 3 camps on popads with 2 Voluum urls?


Popads is usually pretty good about sending traffic from the right geo. What do you mean by "exiting traffic"?



Amy

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Hi Amy,

Thanks for your reply

At popads side i had followed one bros advice to indicate keywords at voluum link for popads for example

?websiteid=[WEBSITEID]&keyword=highbid&categoryid=[CATEGORYID]&country=[COUNTRY]&Bid=[BID]

Am not sure does it work as i do not have new conversions yet

That is where i make 3 camps at popads, differetiate by keyword lowbid midbid highbid

And in popads cAmp, i can choose multiple links and i will paste the two offer links from voluum into the link (1 offer 1 link)

And this works as i see the balance rotating between 9 landers and 2 offers


And oh ya i have some incorrect traffic although i had indicate the particular country only

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Ah OK! Personally I wouldn't want to bother - this will require for an extra variable to drill-down to when viewing data, which doesn't make sense to me. If you're using Voluum, you can only drill down 3 layers deep, so the fewer variables there are the better.


Sorry to hear! What's the percentage of "wrong" traffic compared to traffic from the correct geo?



Amy

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Hi Amy,

Thanks for your reply. Its about 5% or so. It will go to USA and some other countries even I selected the correct Geo in popads

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If you look at the ISP at your tracker, on all incoming traffic from outside your GEO, if it happens to be Amazon Technologies, and other hosting/VPN/proxy ISPs it might be spy tools/bots/scrapers etc. On PopAds I have seen their token say it is a native ISP, when my tracker says Amazon Technologies etc. You can set up a path based on country to keep these guys out.

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Thanks alot mate for visiting Right now I had set the back button script / geo script but if this script really activates, I am unable to track it in Voluum

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Hi Ayuluv, just saw your message about the 1K top up on Avazu mDSP, we can discuss this

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What ysekse means, is that the traffic from the "wrong" country may be from spy tools etc. If this is the case, you can set rules in your tracker (in your campaign settings) to direct those spy tools etc. to another lander or offer, so they won't steal your "real" lander so easily.

Also - I don't know if that traffic is from spy tools etc. Sometimes traffic networks will send you real visitors but from the wrong country. If you've talked to support and they're not fixing the issue for you, you can (again) set up a rule in your tracker to direct everybody NOT from the target country, to a monetizer service like Monetizer.co and YTZ. At least that traffic will make you some money instead of going to waste.

How are your camps coming along, by the way?



Amy

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Hey Kiki thanks so much

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Hi Amy,

Thanks for the clarification

I was using Monetizer backbutton / popunder script but it seems that the conversions are not being able to be tracked in Voluum no matter what i do (even with the help from support side)

Hence I was recommended to try direct monetizer links. Right now I am testing using monetizer direct link with traffic sources. Am able to get slightly positive ROI or some where break even or below -20% Roi.

Was initially testing various geos in one camp but had decided to split it as I could not get traffic from other geos due to bid amount and it can be a waste.

Conversion numbers are pretty awesome but just that the conversion earnings sometimes do not catch up with the traffic source costs. There are quite a lot of low peak time somehow which I dont get conversion even with high bids. Hence I am left with not so much hours to play with that works for me with good conversions with moderate bids

My plan is to stabilize that particular geo /traffic source before I move on to a new geo (same TS) or new geo different TS or same geo new TS.

One thing why i chose Monetizer is due to it allows me to have more time to perform optimizing. Once things get stable I will move back to create own own camps / offers while monetizer is on going.

Hope it is a right path for me (due to limited time at the moment)

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There are 2 ways I know of to implement this:

1)Paste 2 voluum click links on your lander - Voluum.com/click/1 to your main offer, Voluum.com/click/2 to your backbutton etc. Then when you create a voluum campaign, set your paths accordingly.

2)Create a separate voluum camp url for the backbutton etc. direct-linking to monetizer, then paste this url on your lander - into the backbutton script.


Yup that makes sense - not that you need my blessing as long as you're seeing results! It can be a really good way to test traffic quickly to find the easiest geos and verticals, which you could then choose to do more testing for using "conventional" methods (or not - your choice!)

Another option: Once you see success with monetizer for a given geo, dig into your monetizer stats to see which offers are converting the best, then ask your AMs on various networks for similar offers to test.

Keep on grinding - best of luck!



Amy

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Hey Amy,

Thanks so much I really "did" think of that. Once monetizer is stable, i will "dig" and compare offer price with AM. If it is worth running (better earnings) I will use the same "whitelist blacklist" for that TS and run it hehe

great minds think alike

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