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Running on ZeroPark? How I Profited With an Automated Bot (17)


01-18-2016 08:11 AM #1 nebuer (Member)
Running on ZeroPark? How I Profited With an Automated Bot

I attribute this automated bot to making me a large percent of my profit from ZeroPark.

I’m releasing it at http://www.optimizebuddy.com/ (more/better information there than what I can post here)

It’s risk-free to try it out, so here’s the most basic explanation I can muster

Imagine having a virtual assistant sitting at your ZeroPark dashboard, optimising your campaigns 24/7 while you sleep, always making sure you're never paying more than you need to... and that no-one outbids you.

That's exactly what our bot does.

As I’m sure you know(more than enough posts on it at STM), ZeroPark bids work on a straight bid system.

That means you pay exactly what you set your bid at.

Which is a really bad thing, and here's why..

If your competitor is bidding $0.0012, you only need to bid $0.0013 to steal the traffic away from him.

The first problem comes when your bids are set higher than they need to be. In the above example, lets say you bid too much, at just $0.0016. You're paying $0.0003 more than necessary, for no extra benefit.

Now, that doesn't sound like much.. but to do a little math

Lets be conservative and say you spend $25 a day on this campaign. Not a lot.

$25 divided by $0.0016 = 15625 views.

What would you pay if you were only bidding $0.0013 instead? (just one point over your competitor)

$20.30

$25 minus $20.30 = $4.7 extra profit per day. Or $141 extra per month.

That's a huge chunk of ROI you're not seeing because your bids aren't optimized well (it's not possible for a human to sit and optimize campaigns 24 hours a day.)

Now multiply that with bigger campaigns. Or when you're running 4-5 more smaller ones like this.

Problem number 2 comes when you have a winning campaign, but you keep getting outbid (probably by a competitor using OptimizeBuddy...)

Everything converts really well. The ROI is there and you want to scale... but you can't get the traffic.

That's where we come in. We'll never let a competitor get ahead of you.

We'll be in there outbidding him consistently and he'll have no idea what's happening.

You'll be able to pull in maximum profit from your winning campaigns, all on autopilot.

It's hard to calculate the cost of missed traffic like this.. but it hurts.

There's a free 7 day trial. Try it out if you're running on ZeroPark. If it doesn't improve your profit then just hit cancel before the trial ends and pay nothing.

Check it out at http://www.optimizebuddy.com/

VIDEO DEMO:


01-18-2016 08:23 AM #2 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

Would be interesting to hear from zeropark if this is compliant or not - I know several sources officially do not allow bidding bots - but no idea what's ZP policy on this one.


01-18-2016 08:42 AM #3 nebuer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by fjk87 View Post
Would be interesting to hear from zeropark if this is compliant or not - I know several sources officially do not allow bidding bots - but no idea what's ZP policy on this one.
Absolutely. This was looked into before launching - there are no terms prohibiting the use of automated tools.


01-18-2016 10:33 AM #4 azureus (Member)

Does it work for RON campaigns or target only? Also it's a good way for you to collect data via API.


01-18-2016 10:43 AM #5 mc2882 (Member)

What data can your tool get access to? Campaign settings, targets, bids (of course it has access to). Doesn't this mean "hand me over all the details of your successful campaigns, so I can steal them an run them myself"? I think it's enough trusting Voluum with all your data, why bother giving your campaigns for free to other 3rd party tools as well?


01-18-2016 11:43 AM #6 nebuer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by mc2882 View Post
What data can your tool get access to? Campaign settings, targets, bids (of course it has access to). Doesn't this mean "hand me over all the details of your successful campaigns, so I can steal them an run them myself"? I think it's enough trusting Voluum with all your data, why bother giving your campaigns for free to other 3rd party tools as well?
We don't store anything identifiable about campaigns that would allow anyone to get anything useful from it apart from you - all that is stored is the name, top bidder, your current bid, and current bid position. We're aiming to run a business, and have no interest in stealing campaigns. I'm not active in Affiliate Marketing anymore, which is the reason I'm releasing this tool to the public. I do understand the apprehension, though, as I felt the same about Voluum at first.

Quote Originally Posted by azureus View Post
Does it work for RON campaigns or target only? Also it's a good way for you to collect data via API.
It has been tested on both RON and target. It works great for both.


01-19-2016 09:24 AM #7 andyvon (AMC Alumnus)

Are you optimizing based on the global campaign bid only or for all targets separately?


01-19-2016 10:44 AM #8 imsquad (Member)

How one can accurately track cost with any tracking tool (Voluum, Thrive) when bids are constantly optimized with this tool ? I assume the solution would be to adjust cost. Or you guys have any other solution for that ?


01-19-2016 11:24 AM #9 caurmen (Administrator)

Interesting project - I'll check it out when I get a chance.


01-19-2016 01:10 PM #10 andyvon (AMC Alumnus)

Quote Originally Posted by imsquad View Post
How one can accurately track cost with any tracking tool (Voluum, Thrive) when bids are constantly optimized with this tool ? I assume the solution would be to adjust cost. Or you guys have any other solution for that ?
Voluum has API access to Zeropark since it is owned by the same company, so they are able to pull cost data in real time.

Other than that you are absolutely correct, but in general you shouldn't rely on your tracker to accurately track costs at all and use your own spreadsheets for that.


01-19-2016 02:48 PM #11 nebuer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by andyvon View Post
Are you optimizing based on the global campaign bid only or for all targets separately?
Only global campaign bid for now. Personally for my campaigns I haven't done much optimising individual targets on ZeroPark so it wasn't a priority straight off.

If there's enough interest in doing separate targets, it could be done though.

For now if you have campaigns that need it and want them to work with OptimizeBuddy - you could always move the larger targets into separate campaigns.


01-19-2016 03:18 PM #12 dragoshsd (Member)

Do you mind sharing a screenshot of your Zeropark total spend?


01-19-2016 03:32 PM #13 jasonaao (Member)

would be nice to see some case studies on this, but looks like a great tool.


01-20-2016 06:51 AM #14 bluecrayon (Member)

So what would happen if two people were using this and bidding on the same thing? (Likely to happen).

How would the software decide who bids highest?


01-20-2016 07:39 AM #15 nebuer (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by bluecrayon View Post
So what would happen if two people were using this and bidding on the same thing? (Likely to happen).

How would the software decide who bids highest?
Interesting question. Assuming the settings are the same on both of their accounts.. they would end up bidding the exact same and splitting the traffic.

The reason for this is that ZeroPark updates their bid position data every 15 minutes and not 100% real-time (which OptimizeBuddy uses to set the bid).

Long-term a bidding war would happen. I don't think it's as likely to happen as you say, though. For now it's early days with this tool and we're fairly safe from that.

I'm getting good feedback so far which is great.


01-21-2016 06:34 AM #16 nebuer (Member)

Quick video demo:


02-02-2016 09:20 AM #17 zeropark (Senior Member)

Hey Guys!
Dropping our 2 cents here as requested. We have nothing against advertisers trying to buy and optimize traffic on zeropark by exhausting every option possible, as long as advertisers do not violate advertiser guidelines or negatively impact our systems through the API or otherwise. Don’t screw with our systems, yeah? Keep in mind, however, we have no support for third party programs or strategies so any consequence or questions resulting from them will be your own responsibility. Remember that we always encourage advertisers to ask questions about how our traffic works, how bidding works, and how to best optimize based on your campaign objectives. So feel free to contact our support team anytime!


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