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Help: PPV competitors popping over my landers (20)

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Hello, i need your help stackers !

I have big problems with PPV/CPV competitors.

Last week i had a good campaign who suddently was not converting as well, CTR and CR were dropping etc.
At first i thought of an hosting issue, but it was not the case.
After searching on STM and blogs, i've read that on some networks, you could popped over other pops.
So I switched the domain of my landers and in a matter of 2-3 hours, everything was back to normal.

It confirms that there were competitor bidding on my lander domains.

Beside switching lander domains every 3-4 days, are there any other tricks i can use ?
What are the best ways to prevent this ?


Feel free to PM me if you don't wanna post about this.

Thanks for your help!

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There are no ways to prevent people from stealing your lp. We have networks running in house using our campaigns and spy tools stealing our landing page. The only way to combat ripping is to continuously improve your landing page. Even with the same landing page, the person ripping will not have your optimization technique and relationship with your account manager. Hit me up if you want to connect and share ideas.

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That's not what he's talking about.

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Its the nature of the game on ppv i'm afraid, just keep swapping out domains

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As the old saying goes, "He who lives by the sword ..."

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This is the only solution I know of as well...short of staying away from adware-based traffic sources altogether. Because the control is entirely in the hands of the traffic source and the visitor's browser, I can't think of any way to override the pop - but then I'm not very technically-oriented. If anyone could come up with a possible solution, I would dearly love to hear about it (although I doubt anyone would tell!)

You got to admit though that it's a brilliant method (best to keep from discussing this in detail - the fewer people that know about and do this, the better).

Amy

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Using a cloaking service might work. A cloaker will block all the bot traffic to your domain including bot traffic of spying tools like boxofads and so on. You can use the cloaker to send the bot traffic to domian B. This way the competition will never see your domain A (the real lander domain) in spy tools.

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Great advice for keeping people from ripping your landers! However, the OP is talking about another matter entirely - consider it a blessing to not "get" what it is s/he is talking about.


Amy

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Vortex, the OP is saying that he is running a campaign on PPV network. Someone is popping their lander on his domian. So, in short, you have a pop up and than another pop up that popup. Am i missing something?

BTW, Vortex, I'm also in Toronto. Love to meet up. Are you going to Vegas?

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And....the cat is out!

Ah! I see what you mean now! So you're saying to cloak so that the competition won't find your url in the first place! Right that's a solid idea. Sorry I misunderstood!

Doing so should make one's lander domains last longer without being detected for sure. The only way to actually see one's lander then, would be by manually surfing to publisher sites, using a VPN and emulator. And if one was using carrier targeting, the lander would virtually be un-findable (is that a word?) The key would be to get a list of all spying and stats-gathering tools and services (or subscribe to a cloaking service that already has such a list compiled).

Thanks for the tip! If I ever decide to tackle TrafficVance etc., will definitely remember to implement your advice.

Yes Toronto is my hometown. However, I'm not there at the moment. Will probably be abroad most of this year. Will you be going to AWE in Berlin later this year? If so I'd love to meet up.



Amy

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Such claokers exist but i believe they are invite only.

Berlin might be hard. But never say never

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Ok, i guess i'll keep swapping out domains each couple of days.

Any good cloaker you can recommend ?


Also i heard that on some traffic sources, you cannot "pop on pops", i'll probably test-run some campaigns there too next week.

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There is justcloakit, noipfraud and fraudbuster just to name a few.

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Thanks


The other issue i have is how to fight back competitor popping over offer urls ?
Anything other way than opening the offer in an iframe ?

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I don't quite understand the problem of OP, but I would like because I might be having a similar issue.

I'm promoting using PPV, and lately my landers have dropped down CTR and conversions, could this be the cause? i've checked and in that traffic source I can "target" my domains now. should I get new domains? should I change something? (I've added my domains as new targets for my ppv campaigns, to check if it helps, but it will be nice to know what to do since my conversion and ctr has dropped a lot lately, and maybe is not because my campaigns died but because of other things... this campaign was doing super good and out of the blue started going down

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Is your traffic PPV inventory as well? If it is and the network you're running with doesn't have any upstream suppression to prevent advertisers cannibalizing each other that is sort of funny.

Setup a few domains pointing at a machine that just proxies your LP origin. Make your campaign destination a script that grabs from the list of what domains you have setup and selects one at random. PPV ads can't inject on your pages doing a header redirect, they rely on modifying the DOM using injected scripts and are generally using something like JSONP after that to load the campaign data. The page has to "load".

Register a domain every so often, maybe every couple days, point it at the proxy machine and remove the oldest one from the rotation.

There are also some tricks you could potentially use to take advantage of the network's ad server that could result in a quick-fix. For example, a lot of the time they will have a global blacklist that will disable ads from being served altogether if certain strings exist in the URL (".gov", "ftc").

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OP, you have seen that changing your domains got you better CTR and conversions? I think I'll change the domains I'm running now, but I'm interested in seeing ho it develops, and how to work with this, because I think I'm having the same problem as you.

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How about finding which traffic source is bidding on your domain and then outbidding on your own domain until they either give up. It's a war of attrition but what can you do except swapping domains after a few days

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Unfortunately their pockets are deeper than mine.

I ended up pausing that traffic source to focus on other networks where it's "impossible" to do that

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I certainly don't make the rules, and this--rightly or wrongly--is how the game is played ....

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