Home > The Newbie Zone > Questions and Answers

HOW to Hide/cloak Lander 100% from Aff Network (9)


11-29-2015 05:42 PM #1 acjhonrosya (Member)
HOW to Hide/cloak Lander 100% from Aff Network

Guys,

i was optimizing an sweep offer named "win iphone 6 US" and my AM told me that use DMR to hide your lander because if publisher will caught your LP then they'll ban you and you can't run their offer. so i used Voluum double meta refresh option and after few days they caught my LP in middile i was optimizting the offer (spended $400 and still campaign roi in negative). Now my AM is telling me that your lander is caught and offer is paused for you.
Also my AM is telling me that nowdays almost all offer need to cloak or hide LP otherwise if publisher caught your LP and they'll not pay.

Here the problem is for newbie like me don't know much about cloaking but still using Voluum double meta refresh and get caught then what's the best option? because suppose that i spend 1 or 2k dollar to optimize a campaign and my LP buseted and i loose all money because they'll not pay me now.

Is it happening to all of you guys? if yes then how you cloak your LP successfully? because if anyone (offer publisher or AM) want to find your LP then dosen't matter how much you hide they'll know and will not pay you if they don't want to pay and give you a shitty excuse your LP get caught

I don't see any solution of this because as my AM said me you need to cloak almost any offer you run it means i can't run any offer? even i can't do affiliate anymore and should be quit. i don't have unlimited budget to play in blind and in the end loose all money.

help me friends what should i do now?


11-29-2015 06:01 PM #2 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

It's not true that all offers need to be run cloacked, whoever told you so is incopetent and shouldn't work as an AM.

Of course there are offers that are close to impossible to run without cloacking and getting a decent ROI, for example app installs are very hard.

Then there are offers that you can run without cloacking, but will show way bigger ROI when you cloack, for example sweeps.

And there are also some offers you simply cannot run without cloacking at all because they break some rules, for example the rules of the traffic source : for example adult dating on facebook.

In a nutshell, every offer has some rules and you only need to cloack when you plan to break these rules.
Breaking the rules will boost the ROI very often but that doesnt mean you cannot profit without it.
I don't cloack for example, all my earnings are made by following the rules

Good luck !


11-30-2015 04:49 AM #3 acjhonrosya (Member)

Thank you so much matuloo for clarification but don't know why my AM is telling me like this. It's very known network i'm working with but still my all campaign paused and thinking what should i do.

waiting other member response too how they're dealing with this situation?

Thanks.


11-30-2015 08:03 AM #4 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by acjhonrosya View Post
but don't know why my AM is telling me like this

There are several possible reasons for this.

- not all AMs are good and knowledgeable, its sad but true. But it used to be way worse than it is now
- many AMs have zero direct experience with aff marketing, many of them never ran a campaign on their own and many of them tried and failed. Don't take this as a rule, I believe most AMs are pretty good these days, but there are poor ones in the mix too.
- So if an AM has no experience with running campaigns, he only knows what the affiliates he manages tell him... maybe the one you are dealing with is like this and bulk of his affiliates happen to be cloackers
- some people just dont consider ROI of 30% as good, so if your AM aims for 150%, well then its true, you'd have to cloack ALMOST every vertical to achieve that

Sweeps can be hard, if you cant get it into profit in a legit way, try another vertical. As a newbie, you cannot really afford to loose money on incompliant promo methods.


12-01-2015 03:16 AM #5 shakedown (Member)

In the end, you can hide your referrer until the cows come home but you will still get caught and offers paused because they will easily spy your ad. Thats what happened to me w/ sweeps.

I would run something that you can be on the same page as the advertiser and just cloak the traffic source. It's a lot funner that way.


12-01-2015 06:26 AM #6 acjhonrosya (Member)

but it's not fun for me. after $400 spent offer paused.


12-01-2015 09:07 AM #7 matuloo (Legendary Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by acjhonrosya View Post
but it's not fun for me. after $400 spent offer paused.
What shakedown had in mind was this - don't break the rules of both the advertiser and the traffic source. If you want to cloack, pick an offer that doesnt care that you are not exactly following the rules of the traffic source, this way you are not putting your payout at risk.

As an example : adult dating on facebook. Facebook doesnt allow this, but if you fly under the radar, the conversions will be awesome. Sooner or later, FB will find out and ban your account but the advertiser will still pay you.

In your case, you broke the rules of the advertiser, so they refused to pay you.


12-02-2015 10:28 AM #8 cbrughmans (Member)

Its always more tricky to break the rules of the advertiser than the rules of the traffic source as the advertiser is the one who will pay you and hence holds the negotiation power.

For that reason I wouldn't recommend to "cheat" on your advertiser as its better to discuss with him the ways you are doing planning to do promote the offer, and the anticipated volumes. Advertisers want to make money as well so if you can convince them of the potential they'll give you the greenlight. If they don't, try other traffic sources.

Its also better to play honest with your traffic source as this will lead to the best long term (financial) outcome for everyone. Cloaking - although sometimes necessary - is only a short term solution to a long term problem/issue.


12-12-2015 07:47 PM #9 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

That is a pretty shady AM, and a pretty stupid one if he/she told you this in writing.


Home > The Newbie Zone > Questions and Answers