Going from lead gen (SOI) to 1 click Pin...help needed (9)
My AM hit me with couple of offers that are doing very well for Pin submit. I have never tried an pin submit offer...is there a particular strategy you use? Can I run the same banners/landers as an SOI and except similar results? I did send some traffic but did not see any conversion...not sure how to tackle this. Any tips?
1. You need more money to test all different angels because payouts of pin submit offers are bigger
2. Most of pin submit offers targets only carrir traffic - sometimes expensive (have that in mind)
3. Spying others promiting pin submits are more complicated - chaging vpn location is not enough. There are tutorials in forum how to spy like a mobile device from carrir network.
4. Some verticals don't have too much pin submit offers and you are nort able to split test
5. Sometimes mobile operators make network maintenance and you should carefully read all emails from your affiliate network about that because in this mainetance period you don't want to send traffic to offer - it is possible all leads that you made to be 'lost'
Originally Posted by dlegia
@webdev: Its a complete different games. In most cases its best to avoid the lander and generate simply as much clicks as possible with playbutton banners where allowed and so on.
Its a whole different ball game. SOI campaigns are very easy converters and users engage with them impulsively. Its just a first page email submit after all; nothing to lose
PINs are way harder to convert as the user needs to do multiple actions and legally operated PIN submit campaigns need to clearly inform the user about the fact that he will be billed a weekly/monthly basis
It works well on FB but you'll have to cloak...and that's something that you need to decide for yourself if you want to go blackhat or not
Thank you for all the input. The concern I have is there isn't enough traffic on carrier only, even on exoclick. For example here is a screen shot from 1 of my campaigns in a certain geo. As you can see I spent close to $900 and only about 7$ was from carriers traffic. It make sense that people do not stream videos on carrier as they would on wifi but with all these pin submit carrier offers one would think there has to be more traffic than this?
Now I don't know if I turn off wifi (Which can do in exo) and increased my bid I would generate more clicks on carriers?
just checked my stats of the last days, have about 7% carrier traffic on pops over all networks with high cpm. as you've already stated, movie sites aren't heavy in carrier traffic. exo seems to be especially bad.
Well, as already mentioned, movie streaming sites are probably not the best source for carrier traffic.
Pin submit offers are different from SOI no doubt.
If you are talking about adult pin submits then do look for adult traffic with display or pops.
Targeting a specific carrier isnt easy so if you arent sure how to do it (or if you are even interested) then what about offers that accept traffic from all carriers in a specific country? Or if not all then those who have a large percentage of the users in that country. Try googling phone carriers in the geos you are interested in and see how big (percentage wise) their audience is. If a carrier has 70% of the market in a specific country then its less of an issue targeting this carrier.
Volume is important but its not everything, depends on the offer. If we are talking about mainstream sweepstakes pin submits than volume is important but I think its better to try and get very targeted traffic as payouts are quite high and takes some budget to test.
With adult pin submits the payouts (especially in not 1st tier countries) tend to be lower so sending volume is probably the way to go. Just show them a nice banner or LP 
Bidding for carrier traffic is a scrappy business. You're up against a bunch of other affiliates with the same traffic requirements.
Any traffic source that is both easy to run on, and open to carrier targeting, is going to have seriously fragmented volume -- because pin submit affiliates all have the same idea.
Many get around this by targeting Facebook and Google, using black hat means like cloaking.
This is perfectly viable... if you are happy to cloak.
Generally you have to sacrifice something when you target only carriers: convenience or volume.
The alternative is to run looser campaigns, without targeting carriers, but to have rules set up in your tracker that are capable of filtering these users.
Again, a sacrifice of convenience.
Hey guys,
Heres one way to go about optimIzing and monetizing high volume traffic (which may contain different carriers + wifi and platforms) on various types offers to see which combo will get you the best result: networks are starting to support "smart filtering"; which basically allows you to create a "matrix" of various offers under one campaign, one URL, so as to reach/monetize as best you can all your segments within that high volume traffic.
Which means, you can send all traffic to one URL and the networks offers you a template where you can setup different offers (offers from within the network or even URL to external offers) per specific segment, to target all carrier and wifi traffic separately. Therefore you dont loss any competitiveness on each of the traffic segments under one campaign.
If you want more info about this type of tech layer Id be more then happy to explain further, just PM me 
Have a great weekend and good luck with the tests!
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