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10-01-2015 08:01 PM #1 ajtothec (Member)
Tough time with Trafficjunky

I do not even bother with 1st tier GEOs and pornhub or xhamster placements as they are way too expensive for me as novice adult affiliate.
Now I got a decent offer that is pretty hot (according to AMs and when spying for ads) with an OK payout of $3 PPL. It's a cams offer that pays those $3 even to some 2nd tier countries.

This is my 3rd try with Trafficjunky. In these geos I'm often the only bidder so I get a decent junk of traffic.
My stats with default banners look like that:
Geo 1:
CTR: 0.51
eCPM: 0.12
eCPC: 0.023

Geo 2:
CTR: 0.14
eCPM: 0.098
eCPC: 0.071

Again, this is not optimized at all. Especially geo 2 would need some improvement.

Anyways, my question is this:
The only reason I could not get adult offers to work with TJ is that poor CR. I can get clicks pretty cheaply and I think the CPC/Payout ratio is pretty good. I don't have much experience with Cams at all but I assume the CR is higher than 1%. This would make geo 1 a nice campaign.
Do you guys have any experience with TJ and 2nd or 3rd tier geos? May the issue be that you still have too much junk or even bot traffic to make it worthwhile?
These campaigns are very low volume and may be in the xx/day range. So when running such small numbers, I cannot afford to have a high ratio of junk traffic to live with.
Any thoughts appreciated.


10-02-2015 11:25 AM #2 dusklife (Member)

First of all adult is pretty competitive so if you don't see any bidders that could mean no one is able to get those geos to work at the minimum bids. I certainly wouldn't advise not to test as you could stumble upon a goldmine, but keep this in mind when things aren't working.

Second it sounds like you are running cams. It is quite rare for affiliates to push cams on media buys and those that do are often huge teams with very optimized conversion funnels (ie, crakrevenue). Again, this is another opportunity for a hidden goldmine but now that you've tested and it hasn't worked it is something to keep in mind.


10-02-2015 12:44 PM #3 ajtothec (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by dusklife View Post
First of all adult is pretty competitive so if you don't see any bidders that could mean no one is able to get those geos to work at the minimum bids. I certainly wouldn't advise not to test as you could stumble upon a goldmine, but keep this in mind when things aren't working.

Second it sounds like you are running cams. It is quite rare for affiliates to push cams on media buys and those that do are often huge teams with very optimized conversion funnels (ie, crakrevenue). Again, this is another opportunity for a hidden goldmine but now that you've tested and it hasn't worked it is something to keep in mind.
Thanks for your input.
I thought of that as well but most adult affiliates are living in other dimensions as it seems. The geo without any bids may be just too small that they care. The other geo is Norway (geo 1 in this case). This is far away from a 3rd tier country. I can't imagine visitors from this geo wont convert and none of the big guys are targeting.

Indeed, one of this offers is running through crak. I'm still not sure what I should think about them tbh.


10-06-2015 03:46 PM #4 trafficjunky (Member)

Hi,
I tend to agree with the above.
If you have a good CTR that means that you address the Geo properly, if the conversion rate is not good, maybe you are pushing the wrong offer or your LP needs optimizing.
I would either try to edit the LP or try to keep the same approach with a different offer.

Anton


10-06-2015 05:38 PM #5 ajtothec (Member)

Well, I have those landing pages in place others are working with successfully. Maybe not in this geo but in similar geos. Of course I could test offers and LPs more. But with -100% ROI I doubt it will help much. Maybe I'm not thinking this through properly. But it just wont get into my head that I can get 0.02c kind of clicks through good banner placements in "smaller" 1st tier geos using same offers and LPs like other affiliates are using successfully and it's just a total waste for me.


10-07-2015 02:16 PM #6 trafficjunky (Member)

I do not have the experience of the seasoned veterans on this board but from what I know, if you have a good CTR (and eCPC) but have a poor ROI it can be one of these reasons:
- Banner is deceptive (like including no "CC needed" or "Free" when it is not true).
- LP is not converting well (loss of traffic)
- Offer not converting
- Payout not high enough (meaning you do convert but do not earn enough $$$)

I might be missing stuff here but from what I know these are the main reasons for good CTR and poor ROI.
If you track your traffic, it should be pretty easy to find out which of these is the reason for the poor ROI.

Cheers

Anton


10-11-2015 04:53 PM #7 ajtothec (Member)

Does anybody have success with Bongacams/cash? This is the program I'm promoting. I expanded to other geos that were mentioned as best converting ones from them. Could do decent volumes with low click prices but for over 2k in banner clicks I got exactly 1 signup that brought no cash yet. It can be either or but it surely looks fishy doesn't it?


10-13-2015 07:37 AM #8 ajtothec (Member)

Nobody working with Bongacash here? Over sending 2k clicks through TJ banner ads with 1 lousy lead I'm giving up on this.


10-13-2015 09:01 AM #9 Finch (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by ajtothec View Post
I thought of that as well but most adult affiliates are living in other dimensions as it seems. The geo without any bids may be just too small that they care. The other geo is Norway (geo 1 in this case). This is far away from a 3rd tier country. I can't imagine visitors from this geo wont convert and none of the big guys are targeting.
I generally have two pieces of advice for newbies getting started in adult.

1. Choose a geo and stick with it.
2. Don't choose Norway.

(Those CPAs are high for a reason!)


10-13-2015 09:02 AM #10 Finch (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by ajtothec View Post
I thought of that as well but most adult affiliates are living in other dimensions as it seems. The geo without any bids may be just too small that they care. The other geo is Norway (geo 1 in this case). This is far away from a 3rd tier country. I can't imagine visitors from this geo wont convert and none of the big guys are targeting.
I generally have two pieces of advice for newbies getting started in adult.

1. Choose a geo and stick with it.
2. Don't choose Norway.

(Those CPAs are high for a reason!)


10-13-2015 09:14 AM #11 ajtothec (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by Finch View Post
I generally have two pieces of advice for newbies getting started in adult.

1. Choose a geo and stick with it.
2. Don't choose Norway.

(Those CPAs are high for a reason!)
I expanded geos to the best converting ones according to my AM: Germany, Switzerland, Australia, UK, US, etc. I was able to operate with pretty good click prices and ok volume there.
So it's not just Norway (btw, what's wrong with Norway?)

I'm aware of the high value but to make this profitable I need a very high lead to CPS conversion rate and either high CPS or LTV with rev share.


10-13-2015 09:18 AM #12 Finch (Moderator)

Quote Originally Posted by ajtothec View Post
So it's not just Norway (btw, what's wrong with Norway?)
It's a notoriously tough geo to convert.

Lucrative, but tough as hell.


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