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08-30-2015 03:01 AM #1 hooksey9 (Member)
Make Sure to Test When a Conversion Pixel Fires Before Running Traffic!

Hey fellow affiliate marketers!

I'm coming over from SEO and cost per sale offers. with CPS I knew how much the products were, and what exactly a user had to do in order for me to get paid. With my first few campaigns in paid display I just chose offers that said "converts on SOI". I figured a single opt in wasn't too much to ask. After several thousand impressions & hundreds clicks, 0 conversions. It then struck me that i hadn't done my due diligence to figure out what that SOI process actually entailed. So.....

I paid $10 for an account with Overplay for their VPN DNS so I could browse from other countries on my mac/iphone. I then started going through my offers as a user. HOLY SHIT! These offer owners are making a killing. The pixel didn't fire until after I spent 10 minutes going through a "survey" of being pushed about 30 more offers. And throughout the process, they had tons of ads that came up that took me off site. Once offsite, you have no chance of converting because I couldn't reach the end of the funnel. And this was a recommended top offer in the network. I learned I was fighting a crazy uphill battle with this offer.

I continued testing several offers and found some that fired after a 1st page info submit, similar payouts. It's still loaded with upsell offers, but at least the pixel fires early in the process. Now these offers start off with a cap for quality, but I can deal with that because I'm actually getting paid. Offer owners that know it's gonna be a bitch to convert aren't worried about quality as much.

Almost forgot, I started with promoting App Installs, and I thought the offers were redirecting because I was in the US. I found out the lots of app offers were not opening the app store in the target country either. They were redirecting to some other crap. Ran into this with about 4-5 separate apps. On 3 different networks.

So in conclusion, walk in the user shoes first, then promote. You'll probably come up with some unique angles and pain points to address in your marketing copy.

Anyway I've applied to several 1st page email submit offers and hope to have some success this week. Hope this help's save someone some time and money.

Cheers!


08-30-2015 03:21 PM #2 moazam (Member)

Are you testing SOI offers with lander?


08-30-2015 05:36 PM #3 hooksey9 (Member)

Yea, testing landing pages and direct linking.


08-30-2015 06:04 PM #4 conquer (Member)

I experienced something similar, specifically using Overplay VPN. Apparently VPNs leak your IPv6 address from time to time.

For example: I established a connection with a server in the US via Overplay, then I checked my IP on various sites and some of them would show the IPv6 version of my real IP instead of the VPN IP.
After I completely deactivated the IPv6 protoco, the georedirects while checking offers stopped as well.


09-06-2015 07:24 PM #5 tonyklein (Member)

I sent a lot of traffic to a auto insurance quotes and after 3 days and wasting a lot of money on FB I faced no conversion and finally my friend was looking for insurance and I suggested him to use this link and he fill out the form but I saw no conversion. I tested it by myself and no conversion.
Imagine this 1. Paying for Voluum 2. Paying for WRW 3. Paying for LP 4. Angle 5. Test 6. Traffic and after all of that -----> Their conversion doesn't work.


09-06-2015 07:30 PM #6 dtalexone (AMC Alumnus)

Quote Originally Posted by tonyklein View Post
I sent a lot of traffic to a auto insurance quotes and after 3 days and wasting a lot of money on FB I faced no conversion and finally my friend was looking for insurance and I suggested him to use this link and he fill out the form but I saw no conversion. I tested it by myself and no conversion.
Imagine this 1. Paying for Voluum 2. Paying for WRW 3. Paying for LP 4. Angle 5. Test 6. Traffic and after all of that -----> Their conversion doesn't work.
Did the affiliate network itself register a conversion?

If not, you have to take a look at that specific offer and read the instruction as to what they consider a conversion. Filling out a form may not be that. Each offer is different.


09-06-2015 07:56 PM #7 tonyklein (Member)

In instruction they say "Offer converts on 3rd page submit." and I finish it until latest page, In affiliate report it counts click but not conversion.
I am wondering how do you test other deals which is not inside US, this one was inside US and i filled that up and found out it doesn't work but what about other PIN submit on other countries.

Quote Originally Posted by dtalexone View Post
Did the affiliate network itself register a conversion?

If not, you have to take a look at that specific offer and read the instruction as to what they consider a conversion. Filling out a form may not be that. Each offer is different.


09-06-2015 08:08 PM #8 dtalexone (AMC Alumnus)

I think in order to test offers in other countries, some people use things like VPN.

But your best bet is to contact your affiliate manager about this particular offer. It may be something on their end.


09-06-2015 08:11 PM #9 tonyklein (Member)

They do use VPN but what about cell phone number? In some deals it's not possible to test it by yourself.
The problem is my manager doesn't answer my email and sometimes after 2 or 3 days.

Quote Originally Posted by dtalexone View Post
I think in order to test offers in other countries, some people use things like VPN.

But your best bet is to contact your affiliate manager about this particular offer. It may be something on their end.


09-06-2015 08:16 PM #10 dtalexone (AMC Alumnus)

I understand how frustrating that can be. You should wait to hear back from your AM about that offer and run another one in the mean time.

Remember, things move fast. Gotta keep pushing forward and test test test.


09-06-2015 08:28 PM #11 tonyklein (Member)

I sent request to more than 15 affiliate networks for three weeks and just 3 of them them responded my email and just one of them accepted me.


Quote Originally Posted by dtalexone View Post
I understand how frustrating that can be. You should wait to hear back from your AM about that offer and run another one in the mean time.

Remember, things move fast. Gotta keep pushing forward and test test test.


09-07-2015 12:17 PM #12 affiliaxeoran (Member)

Best way of knowing if an offer works is asking your AM if it had conversions on the last few days. You know an offer is working if other affiliates had conversions on it recently.


09-07-2015 12:21 PM #13 cbrughmans (Member)

This is a cardinal rule: Make Sure to Test When a Conversion Pixel Fires Before Running Traffic!

1. Set up the offer in your system (Voluum, hasoffers or whatever you're using)
2. Send a testlink to your AM and ask him to do the testing + ask him to send over the unique id from that test (click id)
3. Check if the test conversion shows up in your system
4. Check if the clickid the AM send is 100% equal to the clickid you are seeing in your system
5. Launch offer

Running a campaign without tracking is like driving a car blindfolded. It won't end up pretty.


09-07-2015 12:39 PM #14 affiliaxeoran (Member)

I agree.

Doing tests by yourself is not a good idea. After once or twice, compliance teams will detect it and in most networks they will refer to it as fraud and it can get you banned.

Ask your AM to do a test as Christoph said. This is part of what we do and in this case the conversions wont be red flagged by advertisers and networks compliances teams.

So talk to your AM, get info from him and have him do tests if needed. Its always good to be in contact and in good relations with your AM


09-07-2015 07:54 PM #15 tonyklein (Member)

Thank you for rules. wish I knew it before.
I set it up with Voluum but what do you mean by "test link" because I just have these links
1. Camping link.
2. affiliate link which goes to the offer.
3. postback URL


Quote Originally Posted by cbrughmans View Post
This is a cardinal rule: Make Sure to Test When a Conversion Pixel Fires Before Running Traffic!

1. Set up the offer in your system (Voluum, hasoffers or whatever you're using)
2. Send a testlink to your AM and ask him to do the testing + ask him to send over the unique id from that test (click id)
3. Check if the test conversion shows up in your system
4. Check if the clickid the AM send is 100% equal to the clickid you are seeing in your system
5. Launch offer

Running a campaign without tracking is like driving a car blindfolded. It won't end up pretty.


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