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Highly profitable campaign with forbidden method - popunders (17)

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Hey guys,

I'm running a very high profit campaign using popups and popunders, but the thing is my affiliate manager just told me that popunders are forbidden. I'm currently hiding the referrer, so they can't see what's the traffic source.

Is there any way he can found out I was running popunders and delete the conversions? Is there any efective way to distinguish between popups and popunders? Popups are allowed, popunders aren't, but popunders are far more profitable.

Thanks!!

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are u "hiding it" using DMR?

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What is DMR?

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Double Meta Refresh .

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it does not take much for them to find out where your traffic comes from. DMR is not fail safe at all and you risk your earnings.

Simply find the offer on another network or try going direct. In the end, if it backs out they'll be fine with it

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Yes I am mate... Would you recommend double meta refresh using different domain names?

The thing is, even if you know where the traffic comes from, how do you know if I chose popups or popunders? Because they allow popups but not popunders... I can go through popads for example and chose popups and not popunders. I can always tell that I'm using popups, they have no way to prove that I'm running popunders, or is that incorrect?


The strange thing is that they are trully happy with our results, running popunders... But at the same time they say they will ban me if I use them... god damn!

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they are ok with popups but not popunders? Have u asked why? It's really weird, most likely they mixed up with popunders with something else.

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Create a script that uses DMR, then rechecks if referrer is blank, if yes then redirect, if not then run through DMR again, and again, etc.

100% fail safe

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Have you looked at the referral data? I would do a test and see if you can tell the difference. Run a popup campaign and a popunder campaign and log all of the header information so that you can review it. Depending on how they're being generated and what the referral data looks like, it could be very obvious which one you're using. If they are identical regardless of which format you choose then they might not be able to tell.

You'll have to dig into it a bit and see what type of information is being passed in the header data.

-Aaron

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Is there a Javascript for DMR? I only have a PHP one.

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This is your best bet for safe referrer cloaking.

I don't think there's any way for them to tell the difference between popup and popunder, even if you were passing the referral data. Unless they really dug into the site data to see what ad placements the site's offered, and noticed you were running on sites that ONLY had popunder traffic available or something, but that seems like a long shot.

The only reason I can think of that they would allow popup but not popunder, would be in the case of a revshare or CPS type of offer.. Where you could essentially be running popunders to sort of 'stuff' the cookies on traffic that would be converting anyway, even without ever seeing your popunders. I'm being intentionally vague here, but I think most of you will get what I'm saying. Anyhow, if this is the case then cloaking referrers would be a good idea, just in case. If this isn't the case, then I don't see how or why they would be upset with the traffic being popunder rather than popup.

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That's weird.. because popunders are less spammy than popups.

I guess you are direct linking to the offer right?
Why not using landers? the AM would never know to traffic source

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I'd recommend to stop the traffic source that is not allowed immediately. If they find out you are running traffic they have explicitly forbidden, then they won't pay you.
Revenues might look nice on paper but its meaningless until it hits your bank account. Its better to work long term with your advertiser/network and respect all traffic restrictions. In the long run that will get you a lot further and make you more money.

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Yes, I respect your point of view and I already stopped the direct linking popunders... I'm now running custom made landers in popunders as I guess there's no problem with that :-)

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No popunders are no popunders, i would verify with my aff manager or it is allowed when going via a custom LP...

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Also interested in this? Anyone help us out here. Thanks

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Just check on how the site is delivering ads where you're popping. With a little bit of leg work, you can easily find all the urls of sites on adcash/popads etc

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