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how much would u pay for working banners? (23)

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if its possible to buy working adult banners for a certain country, how much are you willing to pay for a set of 20 banners that are proven to work in say... brazil? or taiwan?

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Xavier are you saying you have actual banners for sale?

It may be more fun to look for another stacker who's also doing at least as much revenue as you are but in a different geo, to swap camps with - that would instantly double both your revenues (not counting the effects of introducing an additional competitor on the traffic source(s)).


Amy

P.S. Just for curiosity's sake - what's the minimum amount you'd be willing to consider selling them for?

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yes we have, but its not exactly for sale yet. we realized the banners are already ripped by everyone, might as well sell it away and tell them which are the best 10?

thats a good idea to swap camps... can we chat on skype? xavierfok

actually i dont know how much we should sell them for. the thing is, they are already being ripped, its not like others dont know. why dont we save their time and give them the best 10? we dont always need to sell the banners for a high price. if we can get alot of people to buy it, a low price could work too. and more important than that, is that we want to build some kind of a reputation so that other advertisers and affiliates want to work with us. the sale of banners, if any, is just part of the marketing effort to get in more advertisers and affiliates.

we are not saying we want to sell the banners, its just a thought to see who is interested to buy working banners? a quick test shows us that within the geos we tested... these set of top 10 banners (which still requires little bit of testing) would easily save them anywhere between 200-1000 depending on their competency. on top of that there is the speed(save 3-5 days?), and accuracy. if we do sell, we will only provide the top working banners thats consistently performing on all top traffic sources. otherwise we wont do it.

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I only made a suggestion - didn't say I had any camps to trade. I haven't done adult in a while! (Added you on skype anyway - looking forward to learning from your experiences!)

If you are to sell these, it would be good to set a limit on the copies you'll be selling - the value to the buyers will decline with every additional set you sell.

And if those 10 banners work across several geos, then I'd say your estimate of 200-1k savings would be an underestimate. Also, I think you'll attract a lot more attention if you post some stats on CR and ROI.

Just curious: How many banners did you test to come up with these top 10?

Thanks for all the details to a very interesting proposition.

Amy

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we test around 10-20 banners everyday... for about 6-9 months... so thats 2000+ banners? they are based on all the top tier geos like US CA AU, actually we just ripped everything from every geo and tested it lol.

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Hi Xavierfok,

There're some guy already sell for banner and lander around stm, forexample bannerlanders, landingpageguy,
you can also check it out to know the average market price.

Also sorry for OOT,
how much do you usually spend for each banner to know/understand that it is not good or good enough to continue?
Thx

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Hard to answer that question, it depends on how much money you can make on them. But nowadays its so easy to ripp banners with spytools that I wouldn't even consider buying banners.
Also, why would anyone sell them at a certain price if that person knows they're working well (and hence could make more money by using them himself/herself) - back to the syping tool, ripping banners conversation then :-)

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thank you for your response. if we do sell these banners, they are different from the ones you mentioned because ours is tested for $$$$, we dont create banners or landers, we just sell the top 0.1% of the landers we spent $$$ testing. you might still need to make some adjustments, but chances are they are better than whatever you can get out there, unless of course you are already a seasoned professional in the same field.

we spend around $20 on each banner on average. some we cut at $10, some runs to $50 because we are late to respond. most of the time we get a portion or all of the testing $$$ back. and we operate on a 95% confidence within the same time period and single variable test MOST of the time.

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thank you for your response. the spy tools tells you a series of what are the best around, but what we have here, is specific to a certain country, in the top 1% of whatever is on spytools. in a sense u can already find them on spy tools, but if you buy, you directly get the best ones (of course only if you trust the seller).

if you were to grab everything on spy tools, chances are these banners are 5% of the whole thing, and you will require maybe 2-3 weeks to test and end up with the same stuff as us. so what you are really saving is the testing budget and reduced time testing.

we are intending to sell them, because there are at least 10 guys who have already completely ripped some of our banners and landers, but not the best ones, we might as well sell them for a profit? and we have built strong moats where others find it difficult to come in even with our creatives. of course if this is wrong we will just stop selling it and keep it to ourselves.

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Get it. Just an open and honest question. Why don't you use those banners yourself instead of selling them?

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we appreciate your honestly. these banners are already being used by us, and doing good money. but a quick research into the same geo will show you that our banners have been ripped (because they are unique and has distinct foot prints). at the same time we are keeping track of the guys who are ripping us, and we are usually 1 week ahead of them.

the banners we intend to sell (if any) is the banners that are at least 2-3 weeks old. they are better than those who ripped us, but worse than what we have at the moment of purchase.

a quick research into the geo and ripping of say 100 banners, will show you maybe 10-15 of our best banners, but you would not know which is the best, because 50 of them looks the same as ours.

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I think the banners will be useless.
I have tested thousands of banners in the past 2 years and found some really good ones. But NONE of them will work nowadays because each and everybody have already milked those by now.

What makes you think your "banners for sale" won't be saturated already?

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most of the banners we ripped that are more than 3-6 months old could not work. the set of banners in question here are at most 1-2 months old and can work across many geos.

we dont know whether its saturated or not, but if we sell it, its not going to be here. its going to be when others research to try to find the top advertisers, and manage to locate the domain, and then right there is when the banners are offered for sale, when the user is already convinced that its the top domain across multiple networks.

i wont buy from anyone offering here.

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It would be more beneficial to provide service of banner design, since you guys already know the juicy details behind working banners, replicating that into newly designed banners will be far better than selling saturated banner. Anyways if you still think abut selling existing banner then I can say open up WSO and sell them with one sample/real case study using those banner . You may make good money along with build a good reputation.

On side not did you got them made from a designer or you ripped using spying ?? if designer, then how much does he charges for per set ??

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we are not going to do banner designs because that pays too little, and we cannot create tests for this business model within 1-2 months.

and yes our banner is saturated, because it works, that's why others are ripping it.

and no we will not sell WSOs. we are interested in protecting the reputation of the company, and WSO is not a good way to position the company. the opportunity to buy will only be presented to those who are already pre-qualified and convinced somewhat that the banners will work for them and of good value.

yes they are made from mostly basic designers, and also ripped using spying. we can easily get banners made for maybe... US10 for 20-50 banners? most of them dont work, so they are not worth the money, it might be helpful to describe the process of our banner valuation here

1. designers design 100 banners, and rips 100 banners. anyone can do this, these banners are not worth much, maybe less than us50-100?
2. these banners are fully tested, $10 on each banner would mean $2000 budget going into them, and then finding out the top 10 banners. the banners here are the same as before. (about 100-200 man hours is required here)
3. these banners are then improved again from 10 banners to 200 banners, and run through another $2000 budget. (another 100-200 man hours)
4. then u get the top 20 banners, which are offered for sale(if at all)

the work involved in these banners, which are actually made very cheaply, is $4000 budget, and 200-400 man hours, and proven to work across 70-80% of the geos we tested, which are major markets that can spend xxxx/day on their own.

maybe we can offer the banner research for sale? its a whole group of researched banners and ripped, if we do that, its probably us50 for 1000-2000 banners, you can rip them everywhere anyway, just saves maybe 10-20 hours of time.

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This is just the banners or the combo banner + lp screenshot. The problem if its only banners is their performance varies a lot depending on the lp used. You might have 20 mega-winners for sale but when trying to use them they might not perform since lps used are quite different.

Factoring all this I'd be willing to spend:
100$ for 20 top banner combo
300$ for 20 top banner combo + lp screenshot specific for each banner

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right now we want to keep things simple and just offer the banners. we are not yet offering the LPs, because we have not yet seen evidence of it being ripped as much as the banners. if people start buying these banners it does not impact us much since its already ripped. but if they get our LPs, that might be an issue because its still somewhat of an edge.

yes the banners can vary alot based on the LP. however most of them work very well with the standard 4 question landers u can find all over. and a good lander from our experience would boost CV by around 30-40%( which is our edge). and if u dont mess up the lander, and just use the standard 4 questions lander you can find, these banners will work on 70% of the major tier 3 geos.

anyway our banners, LP and offers do not match at all. they dont make any sense lolsss. they are designed that way due to combat frequent offer pausing(to reduce offer reliance), and allow quick adjustments done by new employees. so we sacrifice quality for speed.

thank you for your consideration. if the sale happens, it would be offered on the domain that you will have to search for and identify the top advertisers in that geo you are interested in.

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I can't help but find it quite funny how when someone offers something that works (questionable for others of course, you have to prove to them, just that I know you so I have a different level of trust) they ask for more.

If you were offering banners + LP, you probably would have been asked for offer and network running it on. Greed is everywhere, no wonder the angle works well for many offers.

@Xavier: I like that you are trying to get an edge here since your banners being ripped is a proof that they are working to some extent at least, but I am sceptical about you getting a price worth it for you guys. Think about it: while others ripped them and miss a lot, you are still making way more per day than them and they will never pay enough for it to be worth it for you guys to cut your profits quicker. Ofc, you can judge better but if something can make $100/day more, it's probably worth quite a bit, not $100.

Just my 2 cents, value is always hard to judge. Good luck!

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how long is a piece of string

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our main interest is not the sale of the banners, but to test the price of the assets we have in the company, as of today is 0 because no one has bought anything we have. at the same time we want visibility online, so that advertisers will want to offer us better terms and work with us

we are building moats everyday, and we will only release banners that are more than week old (considered expired for us) but not more than 2 months old (so that it still beats 95% of the competition). the best value that can be gotten from this, is to take the banners and go to another geo.

actually if the researcher puts in enough effort, its not difficult for them to entirely rip the funnel, all banners and landers, offers, affiliate networks etc. thats why we have to find edges outside of these visible stuff.

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about 25cm, i use it for sewing my hamtaro cushion

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Time is the money. I am interested in it. I added your skype （hel fly)

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thank you for your interest. the banners are not yet ready for sale, ill inform you when they are, provided we have the go ahead from the company.

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