Dude... How To Get 4 Figures / Day? (33)
I started exactly 1 year ago my IM journey.
It has been good, I was able to quit my job and I'm living off of CPA.
100% of success with adult.
However, it is already half of the year and I was still not able to do 4 figures a day (I never did any).
I tried almost every route to do it by Adult Web and it still didn't worked.
In fact I'm working like never before to make 50 - 150/day.
While I don't complain, I think is already time to reach next level.
Main question is: How?
Would appreciate your help gentlemen.
I feel you. I do $30-$60 profit per day. Nothing I can do can get me to $XXX per day. Spend more, bid higher, test different sources - all just make me run negative. Its 10-14 hours a day for minimum wage since January.
Its fun but Im also going nowhere.
for me it is 100% about the offer. not hard work, not skillz, not traffic sources. but a good converting offer that pays well.
If I were you I would try venturing out into another 1 or 2 verticals. If you have spent a year on something and you can't really grow it, it's time to try something new.
As hlyghst said, its the offer. Not all offers are scalable.
When I hit my first xxxx a day, I ran an offer that was for a specific carrier. Now, what if the offer was for all carriers instead? The same xxxx would have been something else. Same effort, massively different result.
A lot of things contribute to a winning campaign, but when it comes to hitting big numbers, it mostly the offer and the geo.
I am in a similar situation. I agree with the offer needing to be scaleable but to add I think you need to start thinking about increasing your reach. You need to start working with more volume.
You need to start using Massive Traffic sources (ie google or facebook) or Tons of medium size traffic sources.
My guess is you are only running on a hand full of traffic sources. I have been able to do a few X,XXX days with 3 medium size traffic sources. Some of these guys run on 15+ traffic sources at once.
For me , I often catch myself getting stuck in a new comfort zone. It was a huge accomplishment a few weeks ago, but without noticing it you get comfortable and only go through the motions without really taking initiative. Always need to watch out and try try to do the next thing I'm seriously "scared" off.
If you always push the boundaries there'll be a lot of failure, but it's nearly impossible to not "level up" again and again in the long run.
Concerning specific X.XXX day campaign advice, the forum search function is your friends 
SOOOO much good old threads about it, some truly inspiring.
I agree that a good offer is key.
If your offer isn't the best on the market -- and at the best rate, pre-saturation -- then you're fighting a losing battle. Especially when campaigns have become almost creative-neutral.
(Most banners and landers are the same, or close enough.)
Personally, I think you'll find it very difficult to jump from $50-$150/day to $1000/day without changing your approach.
You can run 10 campaigns for small profits, but you'll get in to the habit of having the profitable campaigns subsidise the negative campaigns. You end up putting out fires and slowly culling your campaigns, thus reducing any forward momentum.
If you want to get to $1000/day, you can't do it by cobbling together a bunch of $15/day winners.
By the time you string five winners together, the oldest campaign is turning red.
Where does that leave you?
It's much easier when you leverage your time and energy in to sources where the volume is already there.
The biggest affiliates know this, and it's the reason they jump through so many hoops to stay alive on Facebook and Google.
Volume is part of the package.
You can still find volume built in to adult campaigns, especially if you seek out managed buys instead of self-serve traffic.
But for this to be worthwhile, you must have an amazing offer -- in its prime.
Getting on the curve early isn't easy.
And that's the point.
By the time you find out about an offer in a network newsletter, it's already had its guts torn out.
The best advice I can give would be to sacrifice 1 or 2 hours of hustling on those $15/day campaigns -- and invest the time in networking and increasing your understanding of the market itself.
Immerse yourself in the industry until you can smell which way the shit is blowing.
That will put you ahead of most affiliates, and quite a few networks too.
Are you implying that it's impossible to make x,xxx per day without Google or Facebook traffic?
That's weird.. I did mid 4 figures/day a while ago promoting .30$ mobile CPI offer. I think you have problem on scaling. Do your math, before profiting x,xxx/day, can you make revenue x,xxx/day, or - can you even spend x,xxx/day in that geo? Maybe the volume of market/geo you are playing is not big enough. One thing to note, you have to be ready to sacrifice ROI when you are sending more volume.
Originally Posted by ocean25
(If you can keep accounts alive.)
i don't think finch is implying that.
You can make x,xxx per day on almost any source. pops mdsps managed buys. fuck i make that on one placement on one traffic source. and it isn't fb or google.
i believe what he is saying, and has been saying in everyone of his guides, is that you need some sort of edge.
it's going to be very hard to get some shitty offer to 1k a day/ no matter what source you run, or what your creatives are.
rather than trying to scrape a few more bucks out of these offers, your time might be better spent trying to find something better.
you can do that one of two ways.
through networking/ making friends / getting real clients.
or testing shit loads of network offers and dropping anything that doesn't look incredibly promising.
you beat me to it finch 
Originally Posted by hlyghst
i would think about trying more verticals and testing more networks for more offers, most of the time you will see the same top offers in many different network but on the other hand there are lots of unique offers in many networks that are doing well and still haven't been "torn out".
talk to your affiliate managers every day and ask for new and top offers.
but the most important is to try new vertical and make your self a multi vertical affiliate this will sure help you increase your revenues.
Originally Posted by hlyghst
Originally Posted by ocean25
The guys who have the volume to blow up an offer, conversely, are likely to be buying traffic in a way that somebody getting his feet wet is going to find very difficult to replicate.
Then you have to think...
If the guys sending the most volume on the entire network are successful with Top Offers X, Y and Z -- how are you going to beat them?
Once they have those systems and relationships in place, it's much easier to defend their position than it is for a newbie to muscle in on the action.
And that is why jumping on an offer early is so important.
I think for me - the biggest key was - when I started capturing SOMETHING for long term assets in my campaigns. Meaning - when I got my media conversions to the point I could interject an opt in form somewhere, or spent some time promoting recurring products.
The biggest problem I've had with media as an affiliate is it's not guaranteed to be there tomorrow. Accounts get shut down, offers change, advertisers reach cap, advertisers decide they don't want your traffic, etc. So I realized that I needed something that would be there tomorrow and that only comes in the form of an asset or a recurring payment.
So I focused a bit on list building and cultivation and things took off form there. I'm not well known in this forum, having only joined a few days ago but I've been successfully working online running my own business for 6 years and all 6 of those years I have made 6 figures or more from running my own campaigns. I've done it all from building and selling my own products, to media buys, to email marketing, Fanpage marketing (not entirely successful here to be honest), and more. I only mention those things to impress upon you the freedom I got from list building and how that was what ultimately set me over the four figure a day mark.
Being in the adult space I think that might be a bit easier said than done... in fact... I'll say it's impossible in that niche. So you definitely have to heed the advice previously laid out and try getting into a couple different niches. Where do you start? Same place you likely always have... from the beginning. Research the niche and see if there are offers looking for "email only" traffic because that means there are likely email publishers out there having success with this niche.
Some of the niches I've personally worked in with success are:
BizOp - this is my primary source of income. I've built my list to around 250,000 actual opt in subscribers without having to do too much science and with almost ZERO media budget. That's not to say I didn't spend money to get this list, I definitely did... just in a different avenue.
Health - This can be profitable... but most times does require a good media source and health/ weight loss/ wellness is a pretty competitive niche.
Surveys - Not much experience, but there are plenty of ways to monetize a surveys list
Insurance - I've seen people kill it with insurance because you can take almost ANY list - and brand the from name as a "Save Money" style name and send insurance and it usually does well. In fact - BizOp lists do very well with insurance, as I've had experience here.
The list goes on an on but I figure I'll leave it to you to discover which you might jump into - these are just niches I have personally seen results with. Almost anyone in this forum could likely point you to someone who is a list broker and you could buy leads. I don't know if I recommend that path only because it's hard and takes a lot of volume and knowledge.
The key for me was figuring out how to get the traffic - once I did - I just interjected a squeeze form in between my traffic and the desired action and started collecting email addresses. From there - I would set up 5-10 day autoresponders sending them back to the original offer or I would send them to other offers in hopes they appealed to the customer more. More often than not I was seeing 3-5x my investment in the first month. Just like with any campaign, make sure your funnel is rock solid and monetized as much as you can get it.
For instance in BizOp - I would send my traffic to an opt in form/page. If they chose to exit, I would exit them to an offer paying me for every click, or lead. There is a BizOp friendly network called OfferBlueprint and they have click offers paying around .40/ click. So let's say (easiest way) you just buy a solo ad (when you purchase a select number of clicks from someone who has an existing email list) for .60/ click. That's about the going rate these days, although you will find some places selling for as high as $1.00. Even at $1.00 you are making some of your money back just on exit traffic so you're closer to profitability just by having an airtight funnel. Then when you consider the leads and the offer you are promoting behind your squeeze page... it starts to add up. For me the goal was breakeven to start... figure out how I can not LOSE money and build a list at the same time.
I don't know if you have any interest in list building... but I know for ME personally... that was the way that I made it to over 4 figures a day.
This thread is rather dpressing. I have learned, you cant use a bunch of small campaigns to try to scale. (That is exactly how I make $30-$60 a day profit. Makes sense too, since I cant scale a dollar more than that without going negative ROI.) And, I need systems and relationships to grow, two things I dont have.
I'd be happy with $150 day profit versus this $30-60 day stuff.
Originally Posted by fishinseo
A lot of people make money by copy/pasting/modify eachothers campaigns.
I did in adult for about 2 years and made $400 per day on average.
The only reason I was able to do this was
1. Flat-rate buys with a VERY low CPM (guaranteed volume)
2. In contact with AMs about the offers. When you send volume they will like you. So I was always one of first guys to run/test new offers.
This approach stopped working for me because of 2 main reasons:
1. The traffic price went up (I guess because FB banned dating and all those copycats wanted tube traffic)
2. The payouts decreased because of the overall quality
One way to still make money in Adult is to STOP copy/paste others work.
Invest in yourself and in your marketing. How to write copy, understand men psych etc.
As of now I'm still busy with investing in my self to come back some day to get pissed of by people ripping my campaigns...
Good luck with your adventure.
~Dennis
I guess everyone feels every now and then that the reward for their efforts can be better.
Every business has a ton of variables to consider, if you are still in a stage in which you are learning, give yourself more time and as Finch suggests, distance yourself from whatever you have been doing so far and try to get a better idea of what's going on in front of you. I would personally add: Reassess your current methods and try to figure out where specifically you are stuck because it may be just part of your very own personal learning curve.
There's no better way to move forward than reach out to others and network.
If you want solid ROIs in adult nowadays, stay ahead, have a solid funnel and a solid plan for split testing, you will eventually find a sweet spot that will allow you to move faster towards your goals. Drop non-converting offers FAST, unless there's a backend issue, busting your head against the wall to make it work just won't. So move on to something else before you get frustrated. If you are working by yourself, managing where you focus your energies is key to stay positive and in the right mindset.
To get to x,xxx or xx,xxx a day you need to have an amazing offer with an amazing payout (higher than anyone else). Amazing meaning that it converts like hell and has a high eCPC and eCPM. Higher pay out than anyone else can easily be verified using odigger.com and offervault.com. Another possibility is to have instead of one Amazing offer, multiple semi-amazing offers. A lot of little rocks stacked together also make a mountain! I think realistically its easier to go for option 2 than it is for option 1 as everyone is trying to find that golden-bullet offer.
Originally Posted by Finch
According to your posts, it seems that unless you're on the offer early and lucky or have some unique special way to get cheap traffic, you're basically fucked to make any real money. What should a relatively new guy like me do then that can realistically work for at least a few hundred per day? How are average guys and not top 2% making their stacks then? I don't get it.
Originally Posted by fishinseo
Originally Posted by ocean25
You need to do something better than someone else.
Originally Posted by cmdeal
The fact that there are so little barriers to entry in affiliate marketing is both a blessing and a curse.
The advantage is that you don't need a Ph.d. an MBA or even a high school diploma to enter the industry. No one cares if you went to Stanford or whether your daddy is the big man in town.
The disadvantage is that the competition is brutal. Because the barriers to entry are low, you face a much larger number of people trying to do what you are trying to do.
So you need to figure out how you can compete in such a marketplace.
Affiliate marketing, despite what you may read on Warrior Forum or Wickedfire, is not easy. But that does not mean that beginners cannot succeed.
Everyone was a beginner at one time. Indeed hlyghst was in your shoes just a few short months ago.
indeed i was. and i'm not too far away now. i don't think the advice on this thread is conflicted. you need some advantage. no one can just hand that to you. you have to figure it out for yourself.
there are lots of ways to get advantages. but, almost by definition no one can give you specific detailed steps. you'll have to figure out your own way.
for example, i just got off a 30 hour plane ride because i traveled to literally the opposite side of the world to meet with my advertiser and negotiate a better payout. i'm talking like 60 cents more. it may not sound like much.
but that gave me a solid edge. and as a result i made xx,xxx in additional profit last week.
you don't have to fly around the world to get an edge. but you have to do something.
Originally Posted by hlyghst
Well played.
I think that you can reach high profits with a lot of small campaigns but for that you got to have trained people to do the grunt work and leave you with the creative part. Otherwise, it's just like Finch said, you'll spend all your time struggling to maintain a couple 5-10 bucks per day campaign and zero time making and testing new ones.
So either go for a few high-profit campaigns (more risk, easier to maintain) or a lot of small profit campaigns (less risk, a LOT more work to manage). Your call!
Originally Posted by hlyghst
I'd recommend working with companies who already do this job for publishers and provide an extra-optimisation process.
Such example is BitterStrawberry.com
You start initially with a custom-setup, and based on the overall numbers your traffic reaches, you'll have a better understanding of what works best for you as well as guided help to increase performance.
Originally Posted by hlyghst
Also, figuring out an advantage won't be a one time exercise. Things often change very quickly and suddenly, so you have to be figuring out advantages regularly if you want a long term career in this game. I have had campaigns go from $6-10k/day profit to $0 overnight, more than once. Early on, I came close to quitting more than once because of this. In retrospect, I am so glad I didn't.
As so many have said on this forum time and time again: Understand your market by asking some key questions: What are the potential volumes here for scaling. Who is running the most volume, and which offers are they running. How are the top people promoting these offers. And the most important question: Based on answering the previous questions, what approach could you take in attacking this market, that cannot be easily replicated by your competition.
I know none of this is easy. If it was, everyone would be doing it. But it is not impossible either, demonstrated by so many in this forum who consistently rake in the bucks.
I could pretend to add some useful info to this thread but really it would be bollocks.
This thread is fucking gold!
Mind mapping time!!!!
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