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First success but I can't scale it (Zeropark issues) (18)

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Hi guys.

I'm a totally newbie in the affiliatte world, but I made my homeworks, read a lot of and tested some campaigns that ends in a total faillure and finally my first profitable campaign appeared.

My manager recommends my some offers and I give a try to them in zeropark (pin submit + MY). Spy a little, test some landing pages and quickly the best lander appears. I split test more landings, blacklist sites and test some other traffic sources in order to scale and optimize it, every other traffic source was a failure except one of them.

My problem now is that I can't scale it further, I observe that in ZP the 80% of my conversions come from 3 sites, and I bid high for them, but this result in a more expensive traffic for the site but the same or fewer visits from them (WTF?). I believe that I must be missing some concept here but I don't know what. I am paying $22 CPM in zeropark but can't get more than 10% of the traffic available in this sites.

I'm pretty new and my budget is limited (8000€ at the begining but now it is over €5.000 ), the other ppv traffic source that I have found ask for an initial deposit of $1000 without any warranty that it's going to work, I believe I can't afford it at this moment and for this reason I need to be able to scale in the source that is working for me now.

If any guy knows something that give me some light about this subject I'll be thankfull to him/her.

(I know that my english sucks and I'm sorry about this, thank you guys for make the effort of understand me and please ask me if you can't understand any part of the post)

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I'm still struggling with PPV but my understanding is that if you want to scale within Zeropark, you have to add more targets. If your bid already gives you a #1 position, then increasing it wont change the amount of traffic.

I suggest you find similar sites to add as targets. Check out follow.net or google for competing sites...

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Hey man,

I'm also running stuff on ZP.

$22 CPM is way high. Are you running on redirects or pops? I'm guessing redirects. $22 is also way high for that.

From your 3 sites, I'm guessing you already did a Whitelist campaign for those sites.

Just a reminder: did you turn off these sites from your blacklist camp? If not, do it.

If it's pops, probably by now you'd know what URL these sites are. Crank your VPN up on your phone and head towards those sites. See if your stuff is appearing on the first session depth a.k.a. your pops come first. If yes, congrats, you're the top bidder and you can lower your bids. If not, take note of what came out and look at your bids again. It's good to also take note that usually, traffic is brokered out from the sites by multiple traffic sources so your highest bids may not always translate into having the first session depth.

If it's redirects, then its harder to know what URLs you're bidding on. But ZP has that "bid place" you can refer to. Just as long as you reach no.1 for that camp, you usually will get the maximum allocated impressions (until someone outbids you).

It's usually hard to scale on ZP. Bidding high doesn't work. I find that bidding on the sweet spot only will be profitable. For scaling, you need to launch on more traffic sources.

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It shouldn't be a surprise that there isn't much Malaysian mobile traffic over at ZeroPark. First of all, Malaysia is a pretty small country (around 30 million population). Also, if you look at zp's volume estimates by country you can see that Malaysia doesn't even rank in the top 10: https://zeropark.com/volume/

A country like Germany has 10x the amount of traffic over at ZeroPark. Why not duplicate your campaign and try running it in Germany? Or how about France, Poland, Thailand, and Mexico? There are tons of pin submit offers available for those countries.....

Just fyi, there are many many many other ad networks that sell Malaysian mobile pop traffic. Why stop at ZeroPark? I can think of 5 at the blink of an eye. Most ad networks will let you deposit $50 or less. Some as little as $5. Have you tried any of those? They aren't that hard to find and have been named over and over in various threads on this forum.......

There are also many many many ad networks that have Malaysian text, banner, push notification, and other traffic from unique ad formats. Did you try any of these? There's no rule that you only have to use pop traffic.....

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ZP is weird. No matter how big you bid, you never win 40-50% of the available traffic. At least from my experience. I've asked them about it several times. Was ignored or was told to bid up.

And yes, most of my conversions are coming from exactly 3-4 sites..

As adsflo said, try some other pop sources or full-screen ads.
And try different types of traffic - if you do redirects, try pops, adult \ non adult, etc.

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I start to running my campaign in RON and now it is a target campaign with the top 1000. I'll try to add targets by keywords and domains.

It's a pop campaign. I duplicated it as a domain campaign but get no traffic (bidding high) that was weird but I'm getting use to weirds things in this work .

I didn't make a whitelist campaign, I convert it from RON to target but I couldn't add only 3 sites it adds me the best 100 sites from my RON campaign. Now I'm only running this target campaign in ZP.

And yes I tried to see the best sites with an VPN, but my landing didn't appear. It was strange, because it looks like this sites show ads from differents networks (not zeropark), like revenuehits for example...

The weirdest thing to me is that I'm in the first position according to the ZP panel for this sites, but if I upbid this sites then the average price get higher too. It makes no sense, if I'm the first at $0.01 CPV and I upbid it to $0.02, who is supposed to is competing to me at this higher price???

I tried similar offers in another countries (BR and ZA), this offers were recommendations from my manager too but... them didn't work .

Moreover I have search a lot in the forum from more pop sources (and find some)... I have tried: popAds, popCash and DNTX (The offer is for non adult traffic). But he other traffic sources I have found (Adcash, propellerads, gunggo, AdReactor,...) They all seems like you need a big deposit and/or be a company to work with them.

Can someone give me a hint about another ppv traffic source that I could try?

For the non pop sources option, I didn't try because I believe that they will considered the campaign as non complaint. This traffic sources are much more hard in their rules to approve a campaign, but perhaps I can give it a try, and verify this or not.

Yes!, that exactly what is happening to me... The only thing that I have no tested yet is to create a keyword campaign and add the best keyword from my Voluum data. Do you guys believe it can work?. If finally I try this... Should I blacklist the sites that match this keyword in my current campaign in order to not competing with myself?.

Thank you guys for your replies,
I'm really grateful to you.

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Sounds a lot like me. I have been running Pin Submit in ZP domain for about two months for about $22 - $25CPM. The ROI is about 10 - 20% and coming from two to three targets.

My mindset was like you why not sign up new pop traffic sources and scale this profitable campaigns. I did it on two high volume pop traffic sources with a deposit like $1000 for each.

To be honest both are not working for me. So I just continue running on ZP. As the volume is low I can't do anything about it.

I hope someone can advise you in this as we are in the same situation.

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Lots of good suggestions guys! I took notes for myself as well....

Mediahub, Popunder.net, eDomz, PopMyAds, SelfAdvertiser, CPMoz - these don't require big deposits.

This is because a lot of zeropark's traffic is brokered from places like adcash and revenuehits.


Good luck!

Amy

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Thanks Amy for sharing the list!

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Oh Amy if some day I achieve some big success in this industry, It will be thanks to you and your help and generosity.

Thank you very much mate.

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Glad to help guys! Just doing my job. Don't feel that I deserve the kind words 100% - but they're acknowledged with 100% gratitude!


Amy

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Yes you can. Create a new target campaign for pops. At the page where it asks you to put your target, select "Bulk add targets".

That may be why, see, if you have 100 sites in there, the CPM you bid is an average among all bids across that 100 sites. That bid is going to other placements but your top 3 placements may not be the first.

But then again, $22 CPM is too high that I'm sure if I open up anything I'd see your ads for sure. I'm a Malaysian Beers so that I won't out your stuff man. haha.

Yes you are seeing other ads because the traffic is being brokered by multiple networks. The owners are a bunch of greedy lots.

I suppose (correct me if I'm wrong) ZP does not have an intelligent bid. If you bid $5 CPM and you're at the very top, ZP will spend $5 and give you 1000 impressions, all from first session depth. If you bid $5.2, ZP will spend $5.2 and give you the same 1000 impressions. You're just going higher against yourself.

I have had few camps in the same geo, once. I bidded 1st, I bidded the another one 1st. Turns out my bids slowly inched sky high to make both stay at 1st place.. until I realized my noobness and face palmed my desk.

This is why I will suggest not to aim high at ZP. Search for hlyghst's posts on pops. He dumped quite some gold nuggets there, on how to do a basic calculation to arrive at whatever bid levels you need to stay profitable.


@Amy, thanks for the traffic sources tip, I have some not yet tried there

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Oh my god, I just created the target campaign Thanks man!.

I read the hlyghst post in the pass and I will read it again and adjust my bid on it. Thank you man!

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ZeroPark is totally weird when it comes to bidding. As with you, they said over and over that the only way to get more traffic is to bid high enough. Here is what I have noticed, try this:

- Create copies of the same campaign, but with 25% lesser bids. Say you are bidding at 10$, create a campaign at 7.5$, then at 5$, then at 2.5$.

What I have noticed is that, one of these campaigns will get a lot more traffic than the others and you would expect it to be the campaign with the highest bid. But that's not always the case. Only last week, I had a campaign that was bidding 8$ and 4$ (approx), get the same traffic with the exact same number of conversions on each.

Cloning campaigns on ZP will help you find that sweet spot. Another thing that's bizzare about ZP is that cloned campaigns seem to open up new targets. There were some targets in the lower bid campaigns that was getting fairly nice traffic, that the higher bid campaigns didnt even have.

ZeroPark brokers traffic from AdCash (and many others). To get exclusive AdCash traffic, just add "AdCash_" to your campaign name and you will get only AdCash specific targets. (As per another post on this forum, they charge you only 5% extra for the AdCash traffic). The best part is that if you find nice targets from the AdCash traffic, you can confidently signup for AdCash managed account and get an AM and get all the help you need to scale it on AdCash directly.

Scaling is a whole different beast to master. Good luck!

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Wow @arunbasillal, a lot of incredibly valuable info... conclusion is basically you can't expect anything logical from ZP, you have to try!. I will try the clone campaign strategy right now.

Thank you mate!

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Gunngo has good traffic but i wont recommend you to try them when you are starting out. They do not have a self-serve platform so you would have to ask/tell your manager everything - from creating campaigns to pausing them - To get a list of good placements etc etc

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PopMyAds doesn't have mobile yet... So not sure why it was recommended by vortex.

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All I saw was "PPV sources" - didn't notice which section this thread was in. Sorry about that!


Amy

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