Display vs. Pops/How managed networks works? (18)

Hello everyone.

First of all, I am on a low budget, I think I have $700, next month I maybe get more $200-400.
I really want to give a try, I already worked with 50onRed in the pass, so maybe this knowledge can help. My plan is to aim a low budget country with a low payout, since I live in one, I know the culture, language and etc, that definitely will help me. $0.50 payout I think $5 I can get good data, for example.

A few questions:

1) I am seeing that Adcash and PropellerAds is the bests pops networks out there, but they are managed (adcash have a self too?). How it works on a managed network? How you can optimized it? It's worth it?

2) For whom is on a low budget, you would go with Display (Decisive for example) or Pops (Adcash, ZP, etc)?

3) Do you think mobile is good way to build a list, build a funnel of sales, then try to sell products (like clickbank products)?

4) Would you think it's necessary invest on a mobile spy? I mean, Mobileadscout is $150 I think and I already have a low budget. But who know, can be worth it.

I am also almost giving a try to ZeroPark too, since is a low minimum fund ($200) and it's free with Voluum. On the other hand, Decisive have super low CPM bids.

Thank you, and sorry for a lot of questions!

Adcash has some decent traffic and you can optimize based on sites ids, handsets types, carriers etc...They don't have self serve yet.
So, all campaign set up and monetization would be manual. They require minimum $500 initial and recurring deposit.

I would recommend to start with ZP first.


Cheers...

Thanks for the quick response.

Yeah, ZP sounds like the best place for me. I also read here adcash is better for high payout offers (don't know if it is true though)

Don't worry too much about offer payout vs the traffic source, there is a large number of factors at play when it comes to viability of a product on a source.

1) I am seeing that Adcash and PropellerAds is the bests pops networks out there, but they are managed (adcash have a self too?). How it works on a managed network? How you can optimized it? It's worth it?

On your budget and when starting out you should 100% go for a self-serve network, e.g. ZeroPark, PopAds, etc.

2) For whom is on a low budget, you would go with Display (Decisive for example) or Pops (Adcash, ZP, etc)?

Either is fine. With pops you will have a slight advantage in having fewer variables to deal with, but pop traffic is generally low quality (even though mobile banner traffic can be hit and miss too) so it's easy to run things without much strategy and find that nothing works. Well, this will happen on every sources, but on pops it's quite common. Whatever source you use, make sure you get advice on reliable offers to run.

3) Do you think mobile is good way to build a list, build a funnel of sales, then try to sell products (like clickbank products)?

On your budget I would not go down this path yet. Building a list + funnel > higher priced products is going to take more time/effort/testing/money, and I think your attention is better focused on a simple campaign first. Thinking about this kind of thing is great, just be wise with where your time/money is first spent - better to spend $500 and make $100 on a very simple campaign that anyone could do than to try to set up something complex, spend $500, make $1 and have too little data to prove anything useful.

4) Would you think it's necessary invest on a mobile spy? I mean, Mobileadscout is $150 I think and I already have a low budget. But who know, can be worth it.

No, it's not necessary. Spying for inspiration/research is very useful if you're new to this. That being said, it's trivial to emulate a mobile device/user-agent, and most people have smartphones, and a VPN service is $10/month and useful for many things; thus you can spy yourself with a little planning and no need for a spying platform. These make it more convenient but you should closely guard your funds given your current budget.

@zeno Thank you so much for taking the time, this helped me a lot

@zeno There is any tutorial how can I spy "manually" like you said for pop traffic?

Originally Posted by luckskywalker

@zeno There is any tutorial how can I spy "manually" like you said for pop traffic?

• Creating a new target pop campaign on ZP with the country you want, then you can see a list of website ZP buys traffic from.
• Enable VPN on your phone/laptop to check out the websites or just use the Random Agent Spoofer Add-on for Firefox http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ition-for-FREE!

Thanks man!

This probably works for any traffic source right? I just have to find where theirs traffic come from:

Originally Posted by zeno

4) Would you think it's necessary invest on a mobile spy? I mean, Mobileadscout is $150 I think and I already have a low budget. But who know, can be worth it.[/B]

No, it's not necessary. Spying for inspiration/research is very useful if you're new to this. That being said, it's trivial to emulate a mobile device/user-agent, and most people have smartphones, and a VPN service is $10/month and useful for many things; thus you can spy yourself with a little planning and no need for a spying platform. These make it more convenient but you should closely guard your funds given your current budget.

Originally Posted by ericchuawc

Hi Zeno, regarding this one... how do you know what sites have pop traffic say from adcash? Or do you go all the top sites in alexa with this approach and get some rough ideas? Any tips? Thanks.

If you want to see pops, just turn off all ad blockers and similar (hint: use a sandboxed browser client too or private browsing modes) and go hit up adult sites. That's the fastest way for sure. Or crappy warez/filesharing sites.

Originally Posted by hieu nguyen

What I did to spy on pop traffic:

• Creating a new target pop campaign on ZP with the country you want, then you can see a list of website ZP buys traffic from.
• Enable VPN on your phone/laptop to check out the websites or just use the Random Agent Spoofer Add-on for Firefox http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ition-for-FREE!

Originally Posted by peeduh

Hey Hieu, dumb question but how would you see the actual placements/sites you are buying? Isn't this hidden by ZP?

Originally Posted by hieu nguyen

I don't know, maybe their bug or something. You just create a new target pop campaign, then you can see the list as my image.

I never saw any website url on ZP too.

Originally Posted by hieu nguyen

I don't know, maybe their bug or something. You just create a new target pop campaign, then you can see the list as my image.

This is from ages ago.. but some of these might still pop ZP ads.. just use VPN and browser switcher..
Copy and paste into text file, and save as pops.html

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.bestscriptz.com">bestscriptz.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube69.com">youtube69.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.googleonline.com">googleonline.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.wwwvk.com">wwwvk.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.wwwphonrotica.com">wwwphonrotica.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.paypol.com">paypol.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.googlevideosx.com">googlevideosx.com</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.yuotube.fr">yuotube.fr</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtu.fr">youtu.fr</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.aplle.fr">aplle.fr</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.faceboock.fr">faceboock.fr</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.fecabook.de">fecabook.de</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.googlwe.com.br">googlwe.com.br</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.webmotros.com.br">ebmotros.com.br</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.brgoogle.com.br">brgoogle.com.br</a><br/>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtoube.com.br">youtoube.com.br</a><br/>

Originally Posted by hieu nguyen

I don't know, maybe their bug or something. You just create a new target pop campaign, then you can see the list as my image.