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05-15-2015 02:05 PM #1 wildfing (Member)
FB Alternative For SC Traffic? (Not rebill)

Hey guys,

I have my own Anti wrinkle cream product which is not a rebill and not really your normal straight sale stuff you see on networks but more commerce style shall we say. However....
I've just had my FB account paused due to policy violations which is obsurd as everything was checked thoroughly by my rep (yes i've contacted him)

Conversions weren't too bad on FB but I hadn't even got to tweaking yet so would have ended up great.

What i'm here to ask is there any other place I can look to test selling my cream? Obviously theres adwords which i'll be looking into although i don't know how QS etc will fair as my site isn't full of text content....


Thanks for your help

05-15-2015 02:11 PM #2 ari_ (Member)

Place a lead page in front of it, same demo.
Create site/page called SkinTipsForDemo (SkinTipsForSeniors, SkinTipsForMoms)
create free report.(5 Tips to Wrinkle Free Skin or Moms: 5 Ways to Get Rid of Wrinkles on The Go)

redirect opted in leads to original sales page
keep mailing and selling
profit.

[look for threads by johna or the french dude with the funnel software]

05-15-2015 02:26 PM #3 wildfing (Member)

ari, not sure what you mean mate, I mean i understand what your saying but this didn't answer my question as to traffic source? Are you saying present google with the above for QS? If so didn't think you were allowed opt in on adwords.

05-15-2015 02:29 PM #4 Karika (Member)

Just find a new fb account and do what ari said. That should solve your problem with Fb

05-15-2015 02:38 PM #5 wildfing (Member)

Karika, I wasn't doing anything stupid. I have a pre lander, wasn't a fartcile, neither a flog or nothing of the kind so that was not the issue. FB has always been and always will be a ticking time bomb even when i play it safe so i'm looking to move away from it at this moment due to that.

My product is not a rebill, nor a subscription of any kind so was not that either. I've appealed and I will see what they say but I know i'll get the same old response back. I have my product in salons here in the UK and my site is commerce, nothing shady in the slightest!

05-15-2015 02:46 PM #6 ari_ (Member)

I meant do this with fb. If you look at how more and more of the larger traffic networks are, you need to make things more compliant. Fb for now doesn't seem to mind straight lead gen.

For google if you are straight ecommerce shouldn't be any issue.

Have you tried pinterest's paid ads? Perfect for your demo. Or sending fb people to just content and then retargetkng them to your product on amazon?

05-15-2015 02:52 PM #7 blackbox (Member)

Hey Wildfing,

I feel your pain on FB. Couple things:

1) Alternate Traffic Sources >> Content/Native ad networks. Big skin guys are doing $20k/day (net) on these traffic sources: RevContent, ContentAD and Adblade. Taboola is a bit tougher to get on for skin. Be aware you are competing with guys who are doing rebills and running to farticles >> so if your CPA is above $50 you will have a VERY tough time.

2) FB Advice >> the stuff above is good. I have 2 contacts at FB: one works in Policy and the other works in Quality. Policy is most of the stuff that people are aware of and written in the rules. However there are a ton of "unwritten" rules you'll never see. Quality is a whole nother division that makes Policy 100% based on user interaction. So while it might be Policy abiding, if it is any bit detrimental to the user experience then it will become Policy violating over time.

Anyways the reason I tell you that is because, there is one offer that FB has deemed "compliant" all over FB in skin care. It's this landing page: http://ageless-instantly.com/instant...FSVo7Aodiy8Aeg. So I'd highly recommend you make a version of this and it should go a long ways. Also you must use original images for your campaigns. Just to give you a view "from the inside" this is what FB sees when images go through that have ANYTHING to do with skin: http://screencast.com/t/PyvSIXaNKHUE. (My guess is most people haven't been that far under the hood

05-15-2015 02:57 PM #8 wildfing (Member)

Thanks blackbox and ari.

Blackbox, my landing page is very similar to that as my product is produced by the same factory who produces that product you just showed I use my own images from samples I gave out prior to my campaigns so your guess is as good as mine mate, you know what it's like.
It makes me mad though when I jacked the rebills and invested in my own commerce product due to the headaches of accounts and now i'm punished for being as straight as a straight man can be haha!

05-18-2015 07:10 AM #9 jackskelton (Member)

@blackbox Awesome share with that screenshot. Does anyone else have similar screenshots or things like that? Im trying to breakdown what exactly its checking. Is the XRay_Flow having to do with "Image Error Level Analysis" or am i way off? and what is hr_suitable_tag?

Thanks in advanced!

05-21-2015 04:13 PM #10 whiteboyfromthesuburbs (Member)

Agreed, @blackbox, awesome share. Similar questions to skelton re: Images... Specifically, you think they are imaging creatives used and running against a db? Trying to get clear on all those tags... Do you think it's enough to take these types of images, and alter a pixel here, a pixel there (nothing substantial), and still qualify as a unique image??

As for @ari, to quote a poker-ism, don't fall in love with your own hand! (In this case, product). FB is OVER FUCKING WHELMED with all the compliance they have to pour through based on what many are doing with skin, cloaking, etc. More often than not, it's easier for them to simply shut down an account that is doing something REMOTELY similar to what a large amount of other accounts are doing and have already been determined to be doing in a blackhat way.

As someone else said, I would simply create another account, and you may even have to cloak with your own product even though it's not a rebill or whatever!

05-21-2015 05:34 PM #11 wildfing (Member)

Yeah it's a nightmare but do agree with your thinking there. It's a touchy subject however clean your ad/lander is. You'll still get assholes bad feedback your ad and in turn end up with a ban so i'll prob use fb to run some less sensitive stuff no problemo !
Cheers for input though guys, much appreciated!

05-21-2015 06:55 PM #12 blackbox (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by whiteboyfromthesuburbs View Post
Agreed, @blackbox, awesome share. Similar questions to skelton re: Images... Specifically, you think they are imaging creatives used and running against a db? Trying to get clear on all those tags... Do you think it's enough to take these types of images, and alter a pixel here, a pixel there (nothing substantial), and still qualify as a unique image??
The answer is definitely NO. You cannot just change a few pixels. I don't know enough about the actual system but I can tell you they have a massive database of pics and copy that triggers checks. All the scammy words are automatic triggers: secret, trick, etc.

Their AI for pics/videos is intense. Have you seen this vid? https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...21&pnref=story

05-21-2015 07:11 PM #13 ari_ (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by whiteboyfromthesuburbs View Post
Agreed, @blackbox, awesome share. Similar questions to skelton re: Images... Specifically, you think they are imaging creatives used and running against a db? Trying to get clear on all those tags... Do you think it's enough to take these types of images, and alter a pixel here, a pixel there (nothing substantial), and still qualify as a unique image??

As for @ari, to quote a poker-ism, don't fall in love with your own hand! (In this case, product). FB is OVER FUCKING WHELMED with all the compliance they have to pour through based on what many are doing with skin, cloaking, etc. More often than not, it's easier for them to simply shut down an account that is doing something REMOTELY similar to what a large amount of other accounts are doing and have already been determined to be doing in a blackhat way.

As someone else said, I would simply create another account, and you may even have to cloak with your own product even though it's not a rebill or whatever!
@whitey
I hear you loud and clear :-) Just saying that you have a larger chance of surviving if you mix in or go down the "big brandish"/classical direct response path. I've seen a ton of great businesses where they build nice content, capture the email in a not insane way, and make a ton of $$$ off of the list.

08-17-2015 04:06 AM #14 2 Live (Senior Member)

if you are really running clean, and are complaint as possible with FB Guidelines, I would suggest trying to get a rep there through FB Go.

https://www.facebook.com/business/go...te_FB4BHmPg_tp

09-13-2015 02:18 PM #15 delightmax (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by ari_ View Post
Place a lead page in front of it, same demo.
Create site/page called SkinTipsForDemo (SkinTipsForSeniors, SkinTipsForMoms)
create free report.(5 Tips to Wrinkle Free Skin or Moms: 5 Ways to Get Rid of Wrinkles on The Go)

redirect opted in leads to original sales page
keep mailing and selling
profit.

[look for threads by johna or the french dude with the funnel software]
Hi, nice tip! But how to made redirect and not to be banned? Need to cloak or just email submits?

09-13-2015 02:22 PM #16 delightmax (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by 2 Live View Post
if you are really running clean, and are complaint as possible with FB Guidelines, I would suggest trying to get a rep there through FB Go.

https://www.facebook.com/business/go...te_FB4BHmPg_tp
can you provide few steps to get rep via FB Go?

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