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Adcash.com Experiences? (56)

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Hello,

Has anyone had any experience with Adcash.com?

Im currently trying a campaign there at the moment and getting some very suspect stats from them.

This is for a game offer
Network: Affiliaxe
Payout: $3.00
Geo: UK
Targetting: Desktop
Format: Site-under

So far today spend is around 6 Eur and here are my stats: http://prntscr.com/73y9vc

According to Adsbridge Im getting 48.9% CTR from my lander to my offer. and I have 0 conversions, I have checked with my AM so the offer is good to go and should be working fine.

If I drill down into the placements out of the top 30 zones, that have sent significant traffic most of them have a CTR above 70% which is way too much. I dont think I will be using these again, I cant even block any zones that are obviously riddled with bot traffic giving me 100% ctr with 100 impressions!. Drill down stats: http://prntscr.com/73yalu

Has anyone else had any dealing with this?

Mick

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You are making conclusions after 6 euro spend on a 3$ offer.
That's your mistake.
You need way more data.

Also, if you work with budgets that small I don't think you should be running it on a managed network.
Test popads or popcash first.
They might be a better fit to start.

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The platform im using is self-serve, theres just no feature to blacklist placements.

If im getting 100% CTR on my lander from 50% of the placements it doesnt really matter if I spent 6 Eur or 6000 Eur, the question is still the same? This makes me think that the network is made up of 50% bot clicks? or am I not working this out correctly?

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You mention Adcash in your topictitle. Adcash is not selfserve. And they do allow you to blacklist placements.
On what source are you running then? I've never seen a source that doesn't allow blacklisting.

It's true that 70% CTR is way too high. But you don't have enough data yet to make conclusions.

I'd love to help you out, but I'm afraid there is not enough data yet.

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The self serve platform must be new, I only created the account last week. This is my dashboard when I login: http://prntscr.com/7403vv

I spoke with some other AM's in a skype group and they had different dashboards, I guess you have had your account alot longer than me

The campaign is still spending, theres a 50Euro budget on it, global CTR rate is still around 48% - I think there are a few placements with 2% ctr etc I guess these are legit sources, but like you say theres not really much data there to go off, Was hoping for a few conversions as its a gaming offer, I just for the life of me cant get them to convert even with $500 spend! I should just stick to adult or give mobile sweeps a try haha!

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Adcash offers CPA, I would try to go with that if your LP and offer converts.

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Cheers mate, Ill try and get in touch with an AM over there, so far I have had no repsonse from their support. Maybe they are backlogged with us just coming into the beginning of a new week.

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Well, what is your lander like?

If it's a simple page with a JS alert that then redirect on click OK, then ~100% CTR is possible for sure.

If it's a rules lander that requires answering many questions and at least 10 seconds of engagement, then that's definitely suspect.

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Adcash have POP traffic so its kinda explain your question
it seems to me that the CTR here is from visits to clicks, visits column can be the number of gross clicks and the clicks amount refer only to unique users .
the is no Ad / Banner that leads to your pop., the pop is the LP so you can't look at the CTR as normal banner CTR.
and if indeed you are buying pop traffic..1500 clicks and 0 conversions. My affiliates who are doing pop marketing are doing 5K-10K pops and even higher (depend on the offer) before getting a decision about the campaign.
48.91% CTR is what you call "Too Good Too Be True" as a banner CTR but this is not the case.

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How do guys deal with the VAT and other charges they have on Adcash? Very steep.

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Its just a 1 step lander with no jsalerts, for the game there is a video, some bullet points with information and a 'Play for Free' button underneath it. I've been running quite a few things with pops in different sources like popcash, popads and traffichunt and the CTR from lander to offer is always around 5-10%

The campaign ended with 30 Euro spent, 3100+ clicks and 0 conversions

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Yeah, I deposited 50 euro, they took 10 as VAT. They also dont allow you to run your campaigns when you drop below 10 Euro balance, so Im currently stuck with around 9.97 in my balance.

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Ouch! That's like 20% in fees - could be our profit margin right there. Thanks for this info - was about to sign up.

It may possibly still be cheaper then to get adcash traffic through zeropark in spite of the markup.


Amy

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if you are not from the EU. than you don't have to pay VAT. As long as you have company. If you are in the US, you can act as a sole proprietor and operate under your own name as the company name, and your social security as your tax id. this will allow you to avoid VAT.
i do not know about other countries.
I'm not a lawyer or an accountant so please correct me if i'm wrong.

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You don't need to pay VAT if you run under your company name.

Just hit them up and give your company reg number. That should be enough.

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Is that only if you are in the EU mate? That's like basically starting your campaigns at -20% ROI.

--Actually just saw the post above bbrock. Thanks!

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@hlyghst and bbrock - Thanks you guys rock! Will look into that for sure!


Amy

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Hey Guys,

There a multiple benefits of buying Adcash traffic via Zeropark:

1) Zeropark offers a self serve platform. You have easy access to all Adcash placements that deliver you the traffic. You can optimize quickly by pausing the unprofitable targets.
2) On Zeropark, each Adcash target / subid is priced individually. The prices vary based on traffic quality (lower quality traffic is cheaper, higher quality traffic is more expensive). On Adcash, you pay a flat fee for traffic on a given campaign (traffic from every subid, or 'zone' as they call it, will cost you the same amount);
3) The markup on Adcash traffic on Zeropark (as per our agreement with Adcash) is only 5%. Hence the price difference is minimal.
4) Lastly, if you find that your campaign is working well on Adcash traffic, you can easily scale it by adding similar traffic sources.

If you want to run campaign just on Adcash traffic via Zeropark (excluding all other pop sources), just place adcash at the beginning of your campaign title. (Example: AdCash_GarginaCambogia), If you have any trouble, contact your account manager or support.

Reach out if you have any questions.


Peace!

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Wow @zeropark - thanks for the detailed insight into your network! You're even telling us what the markup is - that's transparency if I ever saw any. Many thanks!


Amy

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Adcash will not charge VAT even if you're based in the EU as long as you have a EU VAT ID.

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I also just signed up with AdCash on the self service platform and also ran into the problem of having no blacklisting feature.

They also seem to think "Self service" is synonymous with "no support" and are very keen to avoid me contacting them haha.

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Yeah, I asked their support about this feature.
They told me that its in development, eta about 1 month.
Which of course makes their current self serve service useless for most campaigns.

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I did get a response from them after a week in the end

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Zeropark also does not charge VAT as long as we can validate your EU VA ID if VAT charges are a problem for you.

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@zeropark I didn't know you had adcash traffic, this is really good to know, since adcash is manage and you are self.

By the way, that coupon to fund $x and get double (I think was that) still up?

Agree 100% It's impossible to ask for support. I started asking about some tokens, they just chose to ignore me.

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How do you deposit 10 euros? There is a 1k min dep

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@sleenirvana - they now have self serve system, which doesn't really work well because you can't blacklist targets. but there minimum deposit is really low. you can ask AM to switch to SS system or register new account.

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I have good experience with them, especially for apps, VOD campaigns and mobile content campaigns. Its recommended to have a lot of creatives/banners on hand as well as several landing pages as they allocate traffic automatically (without the Account manager having an impact on this) and their algorithm works in such as way that when they upload new banners or LPs, that you get an extra traffic boost as the algorithm wants to give it "a fair shot" - once the traffic starts rolling, the only way is up from there.

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Can anybody give me ad rep skype?

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They have this (reasonably unsupporting) skype account = support.adcash

You'll be assigned an account manager if you sign up for a managed account, but when I tried to open a self-serve they refused to give me a rep.

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I hate adcash. They made me losr 2xxx because the rep was unresponsive and didnt pause a campaign in time. Whats worse is i paid after he finally paused it but then the camp incurred another 1300 in spend somehow and they say its my fault blah blah and i owe them. Fuck adcash.

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Hi,
Why are you not buying from direct traffic sources? Such as Lead Impact & Selfadvertiser?
Just buy directly from the source!
The networks work on RTB method so sometimes the bid can be cheaper- sometimes pricey, but always better!
Speaking from my experience i know it's best.
George

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Do you guys do this with all of your brokered traffic? Is there a list or something? I would love to consolidate various traffic sources onto ZP (even for a 5% fee). Maybe the free Voluum events will let me scale back my monthly plan

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Interested to know this as well.

What other tags can we put in the beginning of campaign names to select the inventory we get access to?

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Very useful indeed! Would like to know too! I'd rather have one account to manage several traffic sources, even if it comes with a small fee (and besides traffic from ZeroPark doesn't count in Voluum Costs).

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To succeed in Adcash, you should own the offer, and it should do well.
They just cut you off when they can- makes sense from their perspective.

For example in dating, they run most of the bigger brands directly and have negotiated really high CPLs.

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Whitelists/blacklists now enabled on Adcash selfserve. Fun times

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I find at least 50% bot traffic, anyone else? Seems to be converting, but those bots man...

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ya adcash is self serve, i think you guys might be thinking of adsupply as a managed placement

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I've heard from a friend that his friend got his campaign ripped by a rep there.

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Actually it's both. Self-serve is new. They used to be managed only.


Amy

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Hello everyone,

Thank you for rising questions about our services.

First of all, please let me announce officially here that Adcash launched Self-Service and it is available for everyone, please feel free to register here.
The latest update of Self Service includes also feature of Blacklists and Whitelists. Brief manual, how to use the feature can be found in our Support Center: http://support.adca.sh/?st_kb=blacklists-and-whitelists

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Hey - I was going to start running some traffic with you but I see the daily budget limit is $50 per campaign - is this correct?

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Adcash has quite a lot of volume. As with most networks, quite a lot of garbage in there, but even filtering out the non-performers, usually there's more than enough volume. From what I know by my rep, it's the same inventory on self-serve and managed. Never ran self-serve though so can't comment on it.

They have some of the most popular streaming / torrent sites in their inventory (although most of the time it's not exclusive for these placements) and prices range form the 'average' CPMs for a country to pretty high bids as they have a lot of brand advertisers as well from what I know.

It's probably same as with most managed networks, the more you spending, the better service you get.

Not true, you can assign different CPMs to different zones (at least on managed).

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Hi,
You should have control over the budget limits in your account. Can you please write to contact@adcash.com with your account details and our support team will pick the problem from there.
Thanks!

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@team_adcash

1. Will you be adding setting different CPM for different zones on self serve?
2. Also can you share with us a list of your top blacklisted zones from all your advertisers? We have something similar for popads and decisive it would be handy to have it with adcash too...
3. Could you also share your GEO breakdown by volume.

Thanks in advance

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@hangman

Thanks for your questions.
1. You can duplicate campaigns and then whitelist and blacklist zones to set different CPM for different zones.
2. It very much depends on the advertiser. The statistics would be too generic and not applicable to all advertisers.
3. You can check the information we are giving about traffic volumes by region in our brosure. For separate campaign traffic volume will depend on the bid, the higher the bid the more traffic you get.

Hope it helps!

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Is it a big quality and volume difference between popads.net and adcash?

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apparently there is also a 20% VAT charged on all deposits.

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@kash50

Adcash is registered in European Union and, according to EU legislation, has to charge VAT where it is applicable. The tax rate would depend on your location. It is standard legal practice for the European companies.

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I opened a ticket to get rid of the VAT as I'm in the Canary Islands and this was the answer:

"Kindly note that, as you have registered in our platform as an individual, we charge 20% of VAT, wherever they are located."

And that I should open a company account instead (I don't have a company so I can't do that)

so... it really depends on my location or not?

Best,
Bimoca.

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Hi Bimoca,

VAT is always applied if advertiser is registered as a private person. This is according to EU legislation about electronically supplied services (it was updated on 1 January 2015). To sum up, for individuals registered outside the member states VAT rate is 20%, for individuals from EU Member States, VAT is according to their country of residence. Hope it helps.
Feel free to write me a private message if you have some more questions. Thanks!

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Hi, as I said before the Canary Islands territory is in the EU and VAT Exempted, ZeroPark and DNTX are also an European companies and they have special fields to select if you're from the Canaries.

Please feel free to contact me when something like this is available in your platform.

Best,
Bimoca.

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Hello,

EU citizens (individuals) are not VAT exempted, every person buying services online has to pay VAT, based on the tax rate of their country of residence.
There is nothing Adcash as a company can do, it is EU legislation that we are following in this case.

I am adding a link to short summary. You will be able to find link to full Directive also there.

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Here's another link: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...s/index_en.htm

As I said, DNTX, AdFly and Zeropark doesn't charge VAT and I'm a EU Citizen for them too...

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Not a promising start. They keep rejecting the most whitehat landers ever on the basis of "absence of promoted product – the landing page assigned to this campaign contained no product to promote or the product did not match what was being advertised". First ever ad network that has a problem with these particular landers which doesn't really give me high hopes.

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