After spending the last few years playing music, working with a theatrical Glam Rock show and, hanging out in Mexico (way fun!) I realize there are other things that are probably quite a bit more fulfilling and I want to focus on something that I think will give both myself and the people I and care about a chance to do more of what is important to them and have enjoy more freedom of choice in life.
I know computers but I've never really done this kind of work before so at the beginning of the year I had a goal to make a million dollars and I figured if I set my goal super high I may not reach it, but I'll get closer, than if I set it lower. But thanks to a post by BBrock I realized I'm just throwing around numbers without any knowledge of what it takes... and more importantly no plan. (Thanks for that post!) After a few false starts and failures my new plan, and my new goal is I hope a bit more realistic. I'd like to reach $100 a day by doing something consistently each day that moves my affiliate business forward. I want to start small so that I understand what I'm doing and then scale it from there. Been following Stitch and you do a great job of this mate, tribute to you and your journey!
I don't want to kid myself, I have no idea if I can do this and I don't think it's easy, all I can do is follow the follow alongs and advice here on STM, test, track and learn. I'm excited but a little nervous cause this a lot different from how I'm used to spending my time. I have 3K and 3 months to dedicate to mobile and my plan is to then reevaluate where I'm at once I reach the end of July and then start another 3 months. I'm hoping I don't have to take a job during these time but I might and if I do, I'll tackle that when I get there.
MAY GOALS:
My goals for May are to launch 8 campaigns (2 per week) and learn the process of launching and optimizing until I can start scaling.
Post my progress on STM at the end of each day to keep myself on-track and to uphold my commitment.
Reach a positive ROI by the end of the month.
Read & Incorporate the principles from Ca$hvertising into my campaigns.
Looking forward to a consistent month and sharing it with you guys...
I'll spare you the details of my first campaign and post what I'm doing now.
I'm running Game of War in Russia. It's been a slow start because neither I nor the traffic source could check the landing page to see what it looked like because it would just display an error. I'm guessing this is common for Russia because I decided to start running it even though I still couldn't see the landing page the clicks were coming through. I wasn't sure how banner testing should go so I made a little bit of everything. I put it up on Decisive and Go2Mobi with very different results! Decisive started screaming along and doing really great. Tons of traffic in no time (the complete opposite of my first campaign on decisive) but no conversions. And then I tried it on Go2Mobi/Tap for Tap. It ran ok for a short amount of time and I got my first conversion! Awesome! I only had one style of creative in every different size so I uploaded a bunch more creatives styles and sizes launched the campaign and.... nothing. I can't get any traffic on Go2mobi. I'm not sure what else I can open up, but for right now it's not moving. I'm waiting for approval to run this same campaign on Smaato with 300x250, 250x300 320x480 and 480x320 banners and MoPub with 320 x 50 banners. And on Decisive.
I'm not sure if I should test all the banner ideas and sizes at once to see what works or if it would be more effective to stick with the more common 320x50 size and find a creative that works well and develop that. Also have no idea how to get traffic moving on Go2Mobi
My settings are
Frequency cap at 10
No Session Depth
Budget per placement $10
Auto Bid: On







That's where I'm at with this campaign. I feel like with this one I've thrown everything at the wall to see what sticks. I think there is value in that, but I think it would be more effective to test smaller and more focused since I don't understand optimizing as well as I need to to deal with that much data so I'm inclined to focus on the 50 x 320 banners again. I was able to pick up Game of War on another network and was surprised to see the payout was so different. $.85 on one for Android and $5.50 for iOS! Wow that's a big difference!
My next campaign is Hola Launcher.
I checked out the page on Google Play and found out what people liked and didn't like about that app and others and made banners based on the comments I saw there. Making banners takes a long time so I found someone on Odesk to make them for me at $5 an hour. Now I have 11 different angles with more on the way and I'm curious if it's better to go with 3 angles and 3 versions of that angle or to test more. It seems like testing more at the beginning is better and then narrow down to A/B testing from there. But maybe not... Once I get the rest of those I would like to upload them all and test a campaign to see how it goes






Nice, keep up to work. Remeber to make your banners sell the feeling or push emotions.
I'll be following you to the 100 bucks a day!
goldmond, use onehourtranslation, because, if you translate this banner back to english:

it will be:
"carry fire in one hand
enter text"
Don't use google translate)))
Ha! I did want to say 'carry fire in one hand' because I was looking for Russian phrases or sayings that used the word fire, and thats the first part of one phrase that came up, (Carry fire in one hand, and water in the other) but I don't know if it actually is a saying! The "enter text" part not so much.
Thanks for the heads up, I hired a Russian Translator on fiverr for the others and I'm assuming they came out better!
Good luck goldmond! I'll be following this one for sure.
Just for clarification, TapForTap is a boutique exchange that has almost no volume anywhere. Performance is excellent, but no room to scale. I would also recommend reducing your frequency cap (ideally 1, but no more than 3) when you're testing, and you might want to try using session depth 1-10, at least until breakeven/positive ROI. I'd check out Nexage for GOW (from my understanding, MoPub has been pretty saturated with this offer- I think I heard that something like 70% of MoPub spend at one point was on promoting GOW, but that seems waaaaaaay too high) and probably Smaato for Hola.
Wow, thanks for the Go2Mobi recommendations, I decided to try Tap for Tap because it's smaller and tougher to scale and I thought that might mean less competition and possibly better clicks, but yeah, it didn't move a lot so thanks thats for the recommendation!
A little late on yesterdays update, I decided to hold off on anything other than 320x50 to keep things simple for now and once I feel a little clearer on what's working with the campaign I can add them. I've noticed that apps respond much better than sites so I've decided to stick with advertising on apps to start and split test between Mobile/WiFi, iOS/Android and Decisive/Go2mobi.
I uploaded my creatives and got messages about translating them so I'm sending in translations today, and hopefully I can start running that. I also got things setup on
Today my goal is to get translations and anything else that's needed to launch these two campaigns finished. I don't think that's a lot, I could be wrong. With additional times I can work on Banners, or start figuring out how to make Landing pages.
I usually hire from craigslist. I pay anywhere from 1.50 - 3 dollars an hour for programmer and designer. Pm me if you need help with it
Thanks Sleenirvana, I'll probably be hitting you up later! Today was a slower day, I finished and uploaded the creatives for Game of War on Decisive and i'm waiting for them to get approved. I thought all the creatives on Go2Mobi were approved so I began running them and later realized that not all of them had been approved. So I'll send in the translation for those tomorrow and see how they go. I want to spend time getting Hola Launcher going while I collect more data for Game Of War so I can begin optimizing that campaign soon.
Today after working on banners I responded to an email saying that my banners were too suggestive. My banners aren't suggestive so I wrote and asked for more info. They wrote back with a screenshot and it turned out that the Affiliate Network was redirecting some of my traffic to porn sites. What?!? That was news to me! They were cool and realized that I had no idea, but damn, I'm surprised that they pick porn to redirect random links to. I did a search and found out from this thread that it's actually pretty common. I don't have a landing page to redirect to so I looked up the homepage or the offer in the correct country on google play, set it up as a landing page and told them to reroute there. I realize this means I send it off and out of my control (and dont' make any money off it) but I would rather have that for the moment until I can get a lander and a good universal offer up. I wrote my AM and didn't hear anything, so I'm going to leave it until I do.
Once that was done I started optimizing the iOS side of the offer which is through a different network and spoke to someone at Go2Mobi about it. He was super helpful and kindly pointed out that I had setup for all my iOS traffic to go to Android devices only. Ouch. Not sure how much I lost on that oversight. that got sorted, made a few tweaks and I'm collecting more data. I guess the good thing about making dumb mistakes is you wont forget them!
Tomorrow I want to keep collecting data and if I have enough to optimize I will, I'd also like to hopefully finish creatives for my number 2 offer of the week. Onward and upward.
How are your banners doing CTR-wise?
Personally I think a lot of your banners look a lot more professional than the standard affiliate banners that you’ll see around. What I mean here is that if you do a bit of spying you’ll notice a lot of banners with the obvious “CLICK HERE” buttons etc.
Only your stats can tell, but I’d guess those more aggressive affiliate style banners would work better rather than good looking “brand awareness” type banners.
Thanks for the feedback on the flyers Ruby, I just went over my CTR's and many of them are around 0.62% but I have a couple that have done well one at 1.39% and another at 3.79% and its the ugliest dumbest looking one if you ask me. It's true I have this desire to make my banners look visually pleasing, but I have to remind myself that's not the point. I may need to rethink my banner strategy! I added some slick creatives from the company and those don't seem to be doing any better than mine and one is the worst performing one in the whole group. I'll put up more details tomorrow morning about my creatives.
In other news I got my 3rd and 4th conversion which is amazing, I'm soooo happy and they were for iOS which pays $5 each as oppose to $0.85 for Android. It blows my mind that I was able to get some clicks and it's super exciting. It really makes this real for me!
Nice. I prefer android because there's way more volume, but 5 dollar to .85 will make me rethink lol
Nice work! Keep it up!
Yeah on the banner issue - that’s something that takes a while to get used to. The professional, fancy looking banners provided by the advertiser often perform a lot worse than crappy banners. I never run anything from the advertisers because usually I can beat their CTRs using MS Paint.
Think banner blindness - people are used to seeing fancy brand awareness banners around everywhere. You’ve gotta stand out from the crowd.
So I went over my stats this morning and I have 417 visits from Russia and 124 visits from the US on my Russian campaign, wtf! That’s almost 23%! (Most of them from Virginia, who is in Virginia?!??) How does that happen?
Because I haven’t heard back from my Affiliate Manager about not redirecting my traffic to porn sites I put in a rule in
I spent the day going over the math to find out what my maximum CPM could be and what my minimum CR would have to be compared with my minimum CTR to break even and I think I’m starting to understand the relationship between the them. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if my CTR is .01% then my CR has to be 100% to break even and that’s as low as the CTR can go! Which means that if my CR is 1% my CR has to be at least 10%. As long as I multiply those two numbers and the product is above 1 I’m OK.
As far as my creatives go, they do OK, click-wise but they don’t convert… at all. I’m doing Game of War in Russia and I understand that it’s popular so I’m not sure what isn’t working. Here are my numbers. The ones with fire are mine, the others are from Machine Zone that I included to see how they would do.

I checked my placements and they seem to be in a similar place. They’re getting clicks just not converting.

I read somewhere here that any placement with 2000-3000 impressions without a click should be blacklisted, but all of mine are getting clicks. Maybe that figure doesn’t take into account kids playing “Talking Tom” and clicking whatever, or someone clicking on accident. Maybe I’m wrong.
So I’ve had a total of 4 conversions (2 Android and 2 iOSand I’ve spent $175 getting this data and I’m not sure where to go with it. Based on what I've read I don’t see anything to cut or blacklist. I have a handful of my own creatives, they have about half as much data as these. Some seem to have a little higher CTR and others a bit lower but pretty much a similar story. I know there's something I'm missing I'm just not sure what.
good day reading and talking with our mastermind group. Hoping to made some decent tweaks tomorrow to see if I can turn some of this into profit!
Goldmond, are you using Landing Pages yet?
Maybe this can explain why your not seeing any conversions from your banner.
Try using an angle in your banners that will continue to the LP and see what happens...
If you targeting Russia, try using it in your angle somehow, should draw their attention.
Good luck
Thanks for that Omrikos, we had our weekly Mastermind group last night and it came up there too so that's definitely the next thing I'll be incorporating!
Today is Sunday, kind of the end of my first week. Thanks Ruby Tunes, Sleenirvana, Go2Mobi, and others who have already contributed helpful suggestions. I've learned a heck of a lot in the last 7 days. Some of it about AM, some of it about myself and how I do things.
Week 1 Lessons
Don't take on too much at once. (or... Learn to walk before you jump on a motorcycle)
I tend to want to do everything at once and I jump in and overwhelm myself because everything is new and I don't have the experience to know how to handle it. In this case it was Game Of War. I tried learning and tackling too many thing simultaneously and in the end was very lost. I eventually got something up but it took more time than it would have had I continued working with a smaller more manageable campaign and data set. Start with one thing at a time and learn it, then add something and learn that. Slowly start building piece by piece.
You are not entitled to any help from you Affiliate Manager (or... Accept At Your Own Risk)
After pushing me to do Game of War my AM didn't come through on most of the things he said he would and didn't respond to any emails when the link didn't work for the traffic source or when they started directing some of my traffic to porn sites (which almost resulted in a ban from the traffic source). I'm a noob so it's no surprised but the mistake I made was waiting to hear back for a couple of days because I didn't want to run a campaign that was heading off to into 404-ville. I lost valuable time and clicks doing that. When I did start running it I got conversions so it obviously worked for some people. I'm NOT saying you should run traffic without knowing for sure if your link works but I want to be more proactive about checking the link earlier in the process and testing my own small test group sooner if my AM is MIA.
Test in manageable quantities. (or... Get Some Data You Can Read First!)
This is related to lesson 1 and another example of me taking on too much without enough experience.
CREATIVES - When I started testing game of war I downloaded the creatives for the game and saw they had every possible phone and tablet size. So I thought... "hey I know, I'll test all of these different sizes at the same time while I test my own creatives". That's not a bad idea per se, but its not very focussed and as a noob that's a lot of data that I haven't learned to sort through and optimize. I didn't know what to look for or even what direction to tweak it if I found it.
TRAFFIC SOURCES - Not only that I decided to test it on two different traffic sources simultaneously. Not a bad idea either, but I think it's smarter to start testing on one traffic source FIRST and get some data to see how it does and depending on how that goes THEN try it out on another traffic source. I'm sure a seasoned affiliate with experience and a sizable amount to spend on a campaign could do both, but at this point I'm neither.
ANGLES - here too, I didn't come up with 10 angles narrow it down to 3 and make 3 versions of each. I came up with 30 and narrowed it down to... 30. Yup I just made banners for all of them. I hired someone on Odesk and she stopped at 18 but still it was too much with no testing, and no variations of the same angle.
MONEY - As a result of taking on and testing so many banners doubled on two different traffic sources I couldn't get the data I needed on 9 or 10 banners, I wound up spending more to get data on all of them. I think I spent $300 in my first week. That's not bad, but at the stage I'm at with AM. I think I could have learned a lot testing in smaller quantities with much less spend.
Create a system and Measure Measure Measure (or... System + Measurement ====> Progress)
Having a system and measurment with help you move toward progress. Personally l don't have a habit of working this way (yet!) I just haven't built it, so this is something I'm building because I want to be good at it. You need a system for consistency and you need measurement to know if you're making progress and if so how much progress your making. I wasn't good at that my first week I'd like to be more consistent with my measurement this week.
SUCCESSES!
I had some great success this week too,
First off I successfully learned the above,
I successfully spent over $300 on campaigns
the Mastermind group I'm a part of seems more solid as we're launching campaigns and sharing info. In addition to individual goals we're working on a group goal that supports everyone.
I also reminded myself of my commitment to focus on AM for 2015. There's so much to gain from the process of learning this. I know it won't be easy but this is what I want and coming through for myself is more important than the outside successes or failures I'll experience.
Last weeks goals were to launch to campaigns. My intention was to Launch two different products but instead I launched a couple different campaigns on the same product.
This week my goals are to:
Begin incorporating Landing Pages
Measure my progress every day
Launch a new campaign for a new product more within my budget.
Looking forward to week 2!
Nice work, a lot of learning in week 1!
Re: manageable quantities - it can be a great idea to test 1000 campaigns all with unique angles and traffic sources at the same time (as Stackman has told me many times) as this can be an awesome way of uncovering massive campaigns.
However, I agree with you that as a new affiliate it’s best to focus tighter. This way you really get to spend time analysing stats and making sure you understand them, making sure everything is working properly and noticing (and learning from) the hundreds of little mistakes we all make when starting out.
Hanging out for week two updates!
Thanks for the encouragement! This journey is up and down for sure.
So Monday made banners for Hola Launcher, I used 3 angels and made 3 different creatives for each, (one got an extra) plus one odd-ball ugly one for kicks, so 11 total.
sent them off on monday and yesterday found out they were denied. Reason given it's either, too close to trademark, doesn't match branding, resembles a notification, or too deceptive for the exchange. I feel like the only one that could fit is that it doesn't match the branding. I asked for more info, but I'm gonna start making a new set today. I'll prbably use colors closer to what they already have. and more of that feel. Either way I thin that's a bit overkill, even my AM manager for this one said he'd be curious to see something more aggressive. Oh well round 2 on banners....
OK, so I hadn't heard back on exactly what was wrong with my banners. I decided to do something so I edited new banners today got 6 of em done and my Photoshop skills are improving.
After creating them I found out that the problem was actually more the exchange. Some exchanges are much stricter than others. So I resubmitted to another exchange and we'll see how that goes. Hopefully my creatives will get approved there and in the future I can start here and do my testing and then move to the stricter exchanges once I've done some testing and and fine tuned my banners. I also started working on landing pages. Still need some work to get those completed and working, and then approved.
This was a very different week, more failures, more lessons. 
After finding out why my first round of banners was rejected, I fixed the issue, resubmitted aaaand........ still waiting. They haven't been approved yet. I don't remember it ever taking this long, and pretty much everyone in my mastermind group is still waiting too. I could fix this by submitting to another traffic source to make sure I always have something moving, but I've chosen to focus and really learn one traffic source so I think waiting is still the best decision.
I've spent the time learning how to host landing pages so I'm excited about using landers for the first time. Although right now they're insanely simple and... well, pretty ugly, which can work. I just gotta test it.
Even though I've worked with computers, networking, and ads before, the learning curve is slower than I expected. Especially since I don't have my workflow down yet. I went over my posts and they really lack the hard data of testing. I hope to change that this upcoming week.
For me I think the lesson is to try and iterate faster. Give myself some lead time for banners to be approved. Dying to test this!
Wow Victoria day... I imagine they'll celebrate that in Victoria. 
Had a similar week to last week in some ways and learned some new things. First off I'm starting to notice a tendency to take more time than necessary working on each stage of launching a campaign because I want to get it "right" as if I even know what that is. Last week my offer was capping after a few hours so I got a new recommendation from my AM. The first thing I did was start spying. I used a good portion of two days on a spying adventure that didn't produce as much data as I had hoped, but it provided a lot of other useful data! (like spying isn't as easy as you think)
Once I had my angles it took a few requests to get it translated on Fiverr and then I started taking my time on the banners until I realized I didn't have forever to do this and I whipped off several banners. (this was a good decision!) The banners were all approved and I was finally off to the races and funny enough, within hours of approval the campaign was paused.
So if this is the reality: that campaigns get capped and paused regularly then I need to get a campaigns up way quicker, within a day if possible and I should be working with a couple different ones for just that reason. I know that once I have a collection of banners I'll know what works and what I can tweak, but I'm starting from scratch every time (which is good for me right now) and I'm new so it's a little slower at the moment.
My next move will be to get replacements campaings for my Speedbooster App and my Security App and then get another popular Tier 2 low payout App Install to start working with. I'd like to see if I can go from Nothing to operating campaign in 2 days. (and eventually down to 1 day or a matter of hours). That might be tough this week since I'm doing 13 hour days at work, but even so I think I could get a new one up. So that's my goal for this week which is the same goal as last week and the week before but with a much different work schedule. I think I can do it. Always did love a good challenge! 
Hey guys, spent last week doing some personal development and got back to campaigns this week. Here’s my latest update:
I adjusted the day parting for the Hola campaign so I could run it even though it seems to cap after a couple of hours.
The campaigns are split into WiFi/App WiFi/Site Cellular/App Cellular/Site and my first numbers are
The banners all have over 5k impressions collectively, my CTR is from 0.4% to 0.7% on each of them and spend is about $1.20. It's Hola Lander so at $0.20 so that's about 6x payout with only 2 conversions. That's a decent click through, but since it doesn't have the conversions it doesn't seem like there is anything to optimize. I’m going to add Landing pages and see if that helps with conversions. Here are the stats.
Spend:$17.46
Revenue $0.40
ROI -98%
I chose 2 new Tier 3 Geos to run the campaigns that were paused and had the banners translated. I want to make landing pages but I can’t figure out how to make the native languages show up correctly. Did some searches on the internet and STM and I’m gonna hire someone on Upwork that I think can help.
In other news, I’m looking at my finances and I need to move things around so I can have more money to put into AM which means a new schedule and a new job. I wont have as many updates as I work on that, but I’ll do what I can meanwhile and let you know how it goes.
Had some unplanned expenses that took me out of the game for a few weeks, but I've addressed those and have some financing (not sure exactly how much yet but I'm hoping enough to last several months I'm AM. Since that's just for campaigns I still need to work out a regular job to keep food on the table and a roof over my head while I push forward. 
I went over the data I initially collected over a 2 week period and found the following...
Spend $56.92
Revenue $1.60
ROI -$97%
That gave me plenty of data to start looking where to make cuts, I went through Carriers, Headsets and Placements and cut anything that had 3 or more thousand impressions without a conversion. Or anything that had gone over 3x payout (some had gone considerably over) without a conversion. I had 6 conversions, but they were all spread across 6 different banners, and no banner really standing out from the others so I haven't cut any banners yet I decided to let them all continue running. My new data for today is as follows.
Spend $4.72
Revenue $0.20
ROI -$95%
As I went over this data I reviewed my old data and realized that all of my previous conversions came from mobile/app placements including my latest one so I think I think it stands to reason that I focus there. I'm thinking of cutting any banners that don't have a conversion and seeing if there is a stand out banner or two from the 6 that are left.
I also incorporated 3 landing pages and found one to be a definite looser. After narrowing down to 3 I think I need more data before I can declare a clear winner.
While that campaign is going I decided to take on a new campaign in two different goes. I'm not familiar with these Geos so translation and getting the language figured out took far longer than I anticipated and that held me up way more than I thought it would. I think I'd like to pick a geo and stick with it so I don't have that learning curve slowing me down so much.
Geo 1
Spend $6.36
Revenue $0.20
ROI -$97%
Geo 2
Spend $13.91
Revenue $0.00
ROI -$100
Initially it seems like Geo 1 is a better choice because it has a conversion with half the spend, but I still need to go through and see if I have enough data to start optimizing these. Since I know this offer converts I began working with landers right away, but I think I need more data before I can have a strong contending lander.
Thanks Ruby, that's really helpful. I'm good at sticking doggedly with projects and in this case I'm still learning when to let go. The other two is a brand new offer in two different Geos. When I initially chose the offer I thought I'd pick two tier 2/3 geos to split test geos. I think if I did it again I would focus on one and see if I can make it profitable before trying another one, but now that both campaigns are up with initial data I think optimizing them both for now is still worth the time until I get some more data...
I ran my current campaigns a little longer and got some additional data
Geo #1
Spend $11.93
Conversions 2
Revenue $.44
Roi -$96%
Geo #2
Spend $32
Revenue $0
ROI -100%
Geo 2 is quite a bit larger than geo 1 which is why I think it got more traffic since I ran these concurrently on auto-bid. Geo 2 is also going the same way as my last campaign with no data about what actually works so I think it's a good time to let go of that one. The other Geo isn't stellar but I got both conversions with the same type of add and only a slightly different wording so I have something that works there. I'd like to cut the other banners and and create some banners around these to see how they do.
I also spent some time looking for new campaigns and have a couple choices I'd like to try, just waiting on approval from my AM.
Launched a new Campaign through a new network for a chat app. I did 3 variations on 3 different angles for a total of 9 Banners. I then launched these banners in two different Geos. Combined the banners all got over 8,000 impressions each and between 50-60 clicks (.5 - .6% CTR) each with one Banner making a conversion.
Spend $22.58
Revenue $0.22
ROI -$99%
I know some people feel you need at least 100 clicks before you make a decision, and maybe I need to run this a little more but I think it might be better to move on and try something else.
Again, these stats are saying instantly to me: do not pursue.
You say you went on a bit of a failed spying venture in the past. I think maybe you should try again.
Yes it is void of creativity - but it seems to me that other people are doing something that you're not, and you need to find out what it is.
If I was you I'd start off giving myself the easiest route possible, and that is to rip a winning campaign and see how it works and the ins and outs. Find the popular offers for your source, and the popular banners and landers.
PS, on a side note - ROI is a percentage, not a dollar value. Drop the dollar sign next time 
copy that, thanks Ruby
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates. I started spying and began speaking with a good friend and affiliate marketer who was overwhelmed with his display campaigns. Been busy helping bring back some dead campaigns with him and I'll be focusing on that and bettering my skills in general. For now I'm going to put mobile on pause but will make another foray into mobile once I'm more solid with working campaigns and when I'm in a more solid place financially. (I don't even want to tell you where I'm at there!) There have been lots of failures but I'm seeing progress, thanks for everyones help especially Ruby for help in my journey so far!
Working with your friend sounds like a great way to be able to get a solid foundation going and learn some good skills that will be applicable in the mobile space too.
Will be hanging out to hear your progress in a while and see you crack round two 