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04-02-2015 01:49 PM
#1
ssmarketers (Member)
Back at it again. This time with a healthy dose of Motivation!
Hi All! I'm Mike, I'm 30, and trying AM again. Two years ago I found out that a friend of mine was having massive success with AM. Me and another friend partnered up and decided to give it a go. Though we were mildly successful in our attempt. We managed to come out the gates swinging and our first campaign had a positive ROI. We made about $350 (chump change) but was shortly banned from the traffic source. I was running not so compliant ads on a small Dutch social media site. The blow hurt, but I decided to take the winning campaign to juicy ads, where the content would be fine. Juicy was another game entirely. My relatively mild banners and landers could not compete with the stuff there. I needed to step it up. I was constantly changing out banners and landers. Optimizing and refining my creative, but could not find a winner. I changed offers and still couldn't find a winner. Unfortunately, and I didn't realize it then, but I wasn't generating enough data and was jumping around too much. I then had life happen all in a short time frame (got married, bought a house) and unceremoniously gave up AM. When I came back from the honeymoon I didn't want to get back into adult dating. I felt like I had to hide what I was doing all the time from everyone. It wasn't working for me. I was on my way up, I was learning and had made money on my first attempt, but I gave it all up and didn't give it a second thought.
Now 2 years later, I've let AM back into my heart. First thing I did was sign back up for STM- the info on this site cannot be found elsewhere. It's worth the price. This time I'm planning on being much more active in the STM community. I want to get everything I can from the forums. Being a lurker can only help so much.
What I'm going to change this time:
I'm going in alone --- for now.
I'm going to stick with it until I'm successful.
I'm not going to get caught up in losing money. I'll look at it as gaining experience and knowledge.
I'm not going to do adult, mobile is for me.
Things I've got going for me this time around:
House is under control.
Steady and disposable income with my 9-5. I can refund my losses.
My 9-5 allows me plenty of time for research and development of AM.
What I've done so far:
I'm following the appetiser approach.
I've signed up and got approved for Decisive.
I've reached out to my old contacts and let them know I'm back in.
Chosen an offer, brainstormed tons of angles, created banners and have uploaded them to Decisive.
I've set a 3k learning budget. Will reassess with time.
I've started this thread to keep me accountable and motivated through the lows.
Problems I've run into:
First ads rejected by Decisive. Reviewed their quality policy and realized I was not in compliance. Will go back to the drawing board and run clean ads.
Negative thoughts associated with having to relearn things. Gotta remember to keep things positive.
Next goal:
Generate data. Will be doing that by tonight
Next big goals:
Get a conversion.
Spent my budget, learn something.
Get profitable.
Begin scaling.
Current status: Need to get things running
Offer: Antivirus App install
Geo: RU
Angles: 16 (7 of which could probably work on Decisive)
Banners: 8 for offer 1 (rejected. Will create more after hours). 0 banners for all other angles.
Landers: 0 (using lander from offer right now)
Spend: $0
Revenue: $0
So that's my status in a nutshell. I will be posting updates, so stay tuned!
04-03-2015 11:05 AM
#2
ssmarketers (Member)
First off, whoops realized I posted this in the wrong place originally. If a mod could move it to the right place that would be appreciated.
Second off I met my first goal of generating some data! So yay to baby steps! Could you help me interpret it?

The top line is mobile traffic and the bottom line is wifi traffic.

Here's how my banners are performing. They are all for one angle, but have different text and imagery.
Current status: Started generating some data
Offer: Antivirus App install
Geo: RU
Spend: $6.14
Revenue: $0
Next goal: Get a conversion!
Questions:
It seems my banners are doing okay as far as clicks are concerned but are not converting past that point. How long / How much spend should I wait to see if the offer is a dud?
Are my banners doing well? Should I look to cut off the 0.50%er's?
Should I create another angle or keep letting this churn? I have some ideas already brainstormed so it's not too much effort to generate some banners.
I noticed when I woke up this morning that I wasn't quite getting enough traffic. Payout for this offer is $0.80. Initial CPM goal was $1.20, I bumped it to $1.60. Should I bump it even higher to $2.00?
04-03-2015 09:43 PM
#3
stitch (Member)
Looking forward to seeing your progress alongside mine man, let's hit it!
04-05-2015 11:30 AM
#4
ssmarketers (Member)
I didn't think getting 1 conversion would be so hard. It wasn't like this in adult, haha.
Alright, lets look at the numbers and hope I'm seeing things right.
Current status: Started generating some data
Offer: Lazy Swipe
Geo: RU
Spend: $22.16
Revenue: $0
Clicks: 1850
Conversions: 0
ROI: 0
Decision: Time for a new offer
So although I haven't made my first conversion there are a bunch of accomplishments I want to list as in to encourage any others tracking along.
Accomplishments:
Relearned tracking and set up a Voluum account.
Created and set up a VPS to host my landers.
Set up a VPN and began mobile spying.
Continue to read and learn a ton on these forums.
Managed to spend my ad budget. First day I had trouble getting data, so that seems to be figured out for now.
Moving forward:
I'm going to continue creating banners and landers daily.
I'm going to start split testing multiple offers daily. No point in focusing on only one since it seems like the majority will be duds. This will result in me generating more data more frequently, and hopefully I'll find that first conversion sooner!
I'm going to get that 1st god damn conversion.
I'm going to apply and get accepted to more affiliate networks.
Finally, I'm gonna keep on keepin on.
04-05-2015 08:31 PM
#5
ocean25 (Member)
I'd recommend hosting landers on Rackspace CDN, if your VPS is in the US and you're marketing to Russian audience, the ping alone will be like 200-300ms if not more.
04-05-2015 09:39 PM
#6
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
ocean25
I'd recommend hosting landers on Rackspace CDN, if your VPS is in the US and you're marketing to Russian audience, the ping alone will be like 200-300ms if not more.
For the most part I was direct linking. I signed up with Beyond Hosting, so that will be a bummer if I'll see high latency with my landers. I'll research Rackspace.
I still find it weird that now with over 3k clicks on an app that has over 10million downloads I couldn't get one to convert. In fact I found it so weird that I used my own link on my own Android device to make sure everything was working. I downloaded the app installed it, and still I see no conversion on decisive,
Voluum, or my affiliate network. Anyone have any idea what that's about???
BTW the offer is good for international (US included) so it should see at least my conversion...
If the offer is for mobile traffic only, does that mean mobile devices? OR does that mean if accessed via wifi it won't count as a conversion??
04-07-2015 02:15 PM
#7
ssmarketers (Member)
Update:
Unfortunately I had to pause my campaigns. I was suspicion that things were not working quite right. I had over 3k clicks for a popular app and not a single conversion. I was so suspicious that I sent the link out to close friends with instructions for them to install the app. They all confirmed they did, I saw their clicks on my network dashboard, but not a single conversion. And yes the offer is good in my GEO. I paused the campaign and posted the question to my AM. Good news is that he is looking into it and hopes it will be resolved by tonight. Bad news, all the ad money spent so far has been for nothing. I’ll probably have to rerun the same banners again after everything is resolved.
Accomplishments:
• Applied to 4 more networks. Interviewed over skype yesterday for 1, and was told that the account should be setup today.
• Continued creating banners even though I’m not running any traffic. Every day I’m getting more efficient as I learn new tricks. Are there any good photoshop automation tutorials on here?
• Created a system for generating ad copy
• Created a journal to keep track of things I’m learning
• Have adhered to my daily to-do’s
• Half way through ca$hvertising.
I expect my next update will be more meaningful. I'll have ads running again by the end of the week.
04-10-2015 04:09 PM
#8
ssmarketers (Member)
Update:
- $100 spent @ Decisive
- 1 conversion
- lol
Accomplishments:
- Accepted to Avazu
- Accepted to Appflood
- Banners every day
- 6 failed campaigns under my belt
- 1 Conversion!
Moving Forward
- $100 more spend at Decisive
- Begin looking at other Ad Networks
Things that Annoy ME
- Creative reviews by Decisive (takes too long)
- Creative reviews by advertisers (takes too long)
04-11-2015 05:55 AM
#9
kepe95 (Moderator)
$100 spent @ Decisive
1 conversion
lol
sounds just like my first $100 spent haha

Keep going you're well on your way - and concerning the 3k clicks and 0 conversions I was surprised by this as well, but in the beginning it's not hard to get such bad results haha , for me most of the time everything was alright and my funnel was just very weak + many other mistakes. But looks like you figured it out now
04-14-2015 12:54 AM
#10
ssmarketers (Member)
Update:
- Funded Go2Mobi, hoping there will be greener pastures. I do like their reporting more than Decisive.
Accomplishments:
- Finished Ca$hvertising
- Begun Reading Problem Solving 101
- Applied to a mastermind
- Feel much more comfortable on Voluum and working between the different networks systems.
- Speed at which I create banners is drastically increasing
- Learned to create animated banners
Moving Forward
- Got $200 to spend at Go2Mobi
- Got $100 to spend at Decisive
- Thinking I should hunker down and try optimizing a campaign instead of bouncing between offers....
- Although I haven't had any offers that have seen promising. Don't want to try to squeeze blood from a stone...
Things that Annoy ME
- Making banners for Uber. They reviewed them and denied them because they only want their supplied ads to be run. Well then you should take on the risk of buying ad space... and not getting any conversions.... because your stock image banners blow.
Stats
Here's what my
Voluum looks like. Pretty bad. Yes lots of the campaigns don't have data yet. The ones that barely have any clicks (<100) are merely place holders ATM. I'm waiting for approval from either the affiliate or ad network. Also I'm trying to figure out a way to retroactively add actual costs, to make everything more accurate. I still got a lot of progress to make. But still in good spirits and loving every moment of it.
04-14-2015 04:21 PM
#11
fanatic4k (Member)
Keep us updated bud. I can see you're a really fast mover here 
04-15-2015 12:20 AM
#12
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
fanatic4k
Keep us updated bud. I can see you're a really fast mover here


Originally Posted by
kepe95
sounds just like my first $100 spent haha

Keep going you're well on your way - and concerning the 3k clicks and 0 conversions I was surprised by this as well, but in the beginning it's not hard to get such bad results haha , for me most of the time everything was alright and my funnel was just very weak + many other mistakes. But looks like you figured it out now
I'm trying my hardest, thanks for the support!
04-18-2015 12:56 PM
#13
ssmarketers (Member)
Update:
Still haven't found that magic campaign. I'm still struggling with getting any conversions. I feel like the only thing clicking through are bots.
Accomplishments:
- The pain of losing money on failed camps doesn't even sting anymore.
- Joined mastermind
- Finished Problem solving 101
- Began reading The Psychology of Persuasion
- Created first camp with landers
- Devised a stealth way to create banners while at my 9-5. haha
- Signed up with beeminder and have a goal setup to create 1 new campaign a day. At the moment I'm crushing it.
Moving Forward
- Just keep on cranking out campaigns.
- Just keep on cranking out campaigns.
- Just keep on cranking out campaigns.
Stats
Here's the stats of my two latest camps on
Voluum. It seems very strange that with 100 clicks going through my lander on each camp that not a single 1 would convert. Are there bots out there that click through landers? Is it possible that I'm just seeing bot traffic?
04-18-2015 05:00 PM
#14
laurencestanley (Member)
I'm extremely new to this and seeing your motivation/ drive is very inspiring. Looking forward to seeing when (not if!) you succeed and start getting lots of conversions 
04-19-2015 08:29 AM
#15
marcustkw (AMC Alumnus)
here are a few suggestions (not sure if you have done any)
1) split testing among similar offers
2) based on your AM, are those offers converted well? what are the CVR for each offers?
3) check with your AM which traffic (pop, redirect, dsp, fb, etc) are working for that particular offer. they might have some info on that. some offer works on certain traffic source.
04-19-2015 07:54 PM
#16
aeroian (Member)
Good luck! This definitely sounds like my first few campaigns back in the day
. Don't give up! 2 suggestions:
1. Its great that you are cranking out campaigns, but what insights are you gaining from each campaign? Always take time and reflect on what worked/didn't work for each campaign. It can be frustrating in the beginning tho if you have 0 conversions, which leads to number 2..
2. Going along with what others have said, ask your AM what offers are working AND doing volume! Don't make any assumptions based on the network EPCs you see on your network dashboard. One of my best XXXX/day campaigns came from a campaign showing $0.000 network EPC
Keep us posted!
04-21-2015 09:06 AM
#17
marcustkw (AMC Alumnus)
any update?
04-21-2015 10:54 AM
#18
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
marcustkw
any update?
Of course, there's always updates! Working on this everyday, so things are always moving (not sure if forward or not, haha).
Well, I took aeroian and marcustkw advice and have been talking more with my AM's. Which has been very good advice. I've been given a few lists of offers that are working, and more specifically given 3 offers that are moving at volume. I also got setup with a private offer -- so that's exciting. I setup banners/landers for that offer last night and will be running it today. There seems to be a technical problem right now with the final redirect not actually working. So need to get that settled before turning the campaign on.
Tomorrow will also be the first skype call for the mastermind group I'm in. Looking forward to that. There has been success inside the group, so there is definitely things to learn.
I'll post numbers on my latest campaign as soon as I get them. Will probably also post pics of my banners and landers if it's another total flop. Will be looking for constructive criticism.
04-21-2015 01:24 PM
#19
caurmen (Administrator)
Looking forward to your latest numbers - you're sticking at this, and that's what will make it work in the end.
When you report your numbers, could you also show the breakdown between placements? Given the characteristics of the campaigns you've posted so far, I wonder if there's an issue there...
Also, how many geos and offers have you tested so far? Apologies if you already mentioned that and I missed it!
04-21-2015 01:48 PM
#20
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
caurmen
When you report your numbers, could you also show the breakdown between placements? Given the characteristics of the campaigns you've posted so far, I wonder if there's an issue there...
Yes, I certainly will. Doesn't look like I’ll be able to go live on the private offer today. My AM is contacting the advertiser to see why the final redirect isn't working. Will post the data when I can.

Originally Posted by
caurmen
Also, how many geos and offers have you tested so far? Apologies if you already mentioned that and I missed it!
I’ve tested 7 offers so far. All have been mobile app installs. I’ve tried running in India, Russia, Central/South America. I’ve also created banners/landers for a few more offers that for one reason or another I was unable to launch.
04-22-2015 01:01 PM
#21
aeroian (Member)
Great job mate! Private offers can be HUGE if they are closed to most affiliates, the less saturated the offer, the more opportunity there is for you!
I started off in a very similar situation to you (family, 9-5 job, etc) , so I am really rooting for you!
One thing that helped was to establish a routine for campaign creation. Figure out how many banners & how many angles you will launch for your default test campaign. One problem I ran into (and I'm not kidding about this) is what the hell to do when a campaign DOES become a success? Its a good problem to have but be sure to have a plan for split testing winning banners, LPs etc. Many of my profitable campaigns start off as $15ish spent, and about $3 earned. Having a plan for optimization will let you scale your winning angles/banners/lps quicker, and it will let you automate the process in the future
.
Good luck!
04-22-2015 07:02 PM
#22
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
aeroian
Great job mate! Private offers can be HUGE if they are closed to most affiliates, the less saturated the offer, the more opportunity there is for you!
I started off in a very similar situation to you (family, 9-5 job, etc) , so I am
really rooting for you!
One thing that helped was to establish a routine for campaign creation. Figure out how many banners & how many angles you will launch for your default test campaign. One problem I ran into (and I'm not kidding about this) is what the hell to do when a campaign DOES become a success? Its a good problem to have but be sure to have a
plan for split testing winning banners, LPs etc. Many of my profitable campaigns start off as $15ish spent, and about $3 earned. Having a plan for optimization will let you scale your winning angles/banners/lps quicker, and it will let you automate the process in the future

.
Good luck!
First off, glad to hear that other people have been able to juggle family, 9-5, and this business! Question, are you still doing the 9-5, or have you graduated? Also, thanks for the forward looking tip. I hope it's only a matter of time before I have to face those success "problems".
04-24-2015 05:41 AM
#23
Go2mobi (Member)
Hey Mike, definitely noticed your account popping up recently. Feel free to PM me if you want some specific insights that I think will help you find success on our platform (and, of course, in AM in general). I'd love to work with you and see you hit the green!
04-24-2015 05:18 PM
#24
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
Go2mobi
Hey Mike, definitely noticed your account popping up recently. Feel free to PM me if you want some specific insights that I think will help you find success on our platform (and, of course, in AM in general). I'd love to work with you and see you hit the green!
Sent a pm, looking forward to talking with you.
04-25-2015 09:27 AM
#25
marcustkw (AMC Alumnus)
we are hungry for your update...lol
04-26-2015 02:22 PM
#26
ssmarketers (Member)
Update:
I didn't run any campaigns last week. Not for lack of will. But for lack of things coming together. The technical issues with the exclusive offer never panned out. But all is not lost. I chose 4 new offers that I plan on running this coming week. I've developed landers and banners for each of the 4. The reason I chose 4 is so that I don't get into the same situation as I did last week, where I'm sitting on my thumbs if one of the offers is DOA. So my next week should be me getting approvals on Monday or Tuesday and then running ads the rest of the week. I'll then provide a proper update.
Accomplishments:
- First Mastermind call - and it was great. Lots of information was shared, that would have probably taken me months to figure out on my own.
- Got setup with a friend of a friend to advertise his product (craft beef jerky). Faking it until I make it right now. But pretty hopeful that I'll get some business out of it. The offer wouldn't work on mobile. But it's enticing because if it converts I see it having the potential for long term success.
- Still making the time and focusing everyday. Proof:
Moving Forward
- RUN ADS THIS WEEK
- Get data, post results!
Stats
N/A
04-26-2015 02:28 PM
#27
laurencestanley (Member)
Nice update
I've also suffered from twiddling my thumbs this week waiting on one offer. Might as well go balls out with 4!
Out of interest, how did you make the graph above?
04-26-2015 03:06 PM
#28
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
laurencestanley
Nice update

I've also suffered from twiddling my thumbs this week waiting on one offer. Might as well go balls out with 4!
Out of interest, how did you make the graph above?
The graph was made with
Beeminder. Beeminder is a website that tracks goal progression and keeps you accountable. I like it because it does a damn good job at making me meet my daily goals. I actually just recently pledged money to my goal. Meaning if I fail to stay on top of it, I will pay the website money. I just wanted to make sure I don't slip, and that's why I pledged. You can use the site without pledging, but it sorta loses its effectiveness. Kinda like when you play poker without money, no one really gives a crap and rides out every hand. Add money, even a few bucks, and everyone gets serious. Don't just take my word for it, check out what TimTetra has to say about it.
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post220026
04-28-2015 11:14 AM
#29
ssmarketers (Member)
Offer: APUS Launcher
Spend: $8.49
Revenue: $0
ROI (-100%)
I'm back in business, running and generating data again.
But I'm still stuck in the same rut, where I can't seem to get a damn conversion to save my life. I had a nice talk with Grandin from Go2Mobi, and he provided lots of tips on how to setup a campaign for testing on their platform. Hopefully I'll start seeing positive results from the changes.
Anyways, I haven't been making much traction by keeping my data a secret, so I think it's time to share and open up for some feedback.
Below is a screenshot of my banners and their respective CTRs. The one good bit of news is that I uploaded one of Apus' stock banners in order to compare it against some homemade banners and I'm crushing it on CTR. Bad news is obviously I still haven't seen any conversions. My plan is to keep trying to optimize this campaign and see if I can bring it up from -100% ROI. First plan is to blacklist the stock banner, and create some new banners as well as try to optimize the existing ones.

Below is a screenshot of the placements and CTR's. I haven't black listed anything in here yet. But would like some opinions on what to scrub. My initial reaction is to blacklist anything less than .4% CTR. But want to make sure I've generated enough data before doing so. Do you think it's time to start blacklisting placements?

04-28-2015 05:48 PM
#30
aeroian (Member)
Thanks for sharing! I think your angles are a bit weak. None of them is really calling to me. "Apus is better" or telling me how many millions of downloads doesn't really pull at me. Tell me its the fastest fucking launcher on android! Slap me across the face and tell me I'm retarded for not having this awesome app! Get in my face and tell me why its the best! Your banners are nice and flashy but your CTR could be better! Are any of them animated?
Also, I try to hold off until I've spent 3x on a placement before cutting it. Even if the CTR is terrible, there may still be some winners in there 
05-15-2015 09:56 AM
#31
Ruby Tunes ()
Yeeeeah nice work mate!
Hmmm that's annoying about the postbacks, especially the fact that the backup method isn't working - do you have a contact at decisive that you're talking to?
05-15-2015 11:44 AM
#32
gomisha (Member)
Hey, Mike.
Great follow along and wishing you lots of success. I'm also at the beginning of my AM journey, but I don't have the prior experience like you do. It's always interesting to see others deal with the same issues as I've had to deal with, too - how to find that first winning campaign, how to properly test, how to deal with negative thoughts.
Keep at it, man. Really inspiring to see you doing this.
05-15-2015 12:16 PM
#33
gomisha (Member)
One thing I forgot to mention - I noticed that you're a Beeminder user and I was a big Beeminder user, too. In fact, I gave a whole presentation last year on it at a Quantified Self Meetup here in Toronto:
I don't use it anymore and have an accountability partner that keeps me accountable for goals and we put money on the line. But it's an awesome tool to help people keep taking action.
05-15-2015 02:03 PM
#34
yussef (AMC Alumnus)
Great work and share man. I don't have the level of experience you do but it does seem that you have the ability to jump around and do a lot in a very short time frame. How do you stay focused long enough to master one thing? Just curious.
05-15-2015 03:36 PM
#35
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
Ruby Tunes
Yeeeeah nice work mate!
Hmmm that's annoying about the postbacks, especially the fact that the backup method isn't working - do you have a contact at decisive that you're talking to?
I'm only dealing with Decisive support. It's making tracking my campaign a real pain.

Originally Posted by
gomisha
Hey, Mike.
Great follow along and wishing you lots of success. I'm also at the beginning of my AM journey, but I don't have the prior experience like you do. It's always interesting to see others deal with the same issues as I've had to deal with, too - how to find that first winning campaign, how to properly test, how to deal with negative thoughts.
Keep at it, man. Really inspiring to see you doing this.
Thanks and best of luck to you too! I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in the struggle. It looks like I'm starting to get a better handle on things and my campaigns are doing better and better each day. Still haven't hit green yet, but I'm getting awfully close.

Originally Posted by
gomisha
One thing I forgot to mention - I noticed that you're a Beeminder user and I was a big Beeminder user, too. In fact, I gave a whole presentation last year on it at a Quantified Self Meetup here in Toronto:
I don't use it anymore and have an accountability partner that keeps me accountable for goals and we put money on the line. But it's an awesome tool to help people keep taking action.
Totally agree with Beeminder. Not sure I would have stayed as focused and as determined without it. Great on you for having someone to keep you accountable. How exactly does that work though? Seems like it would be difficult to track all of my goals by reporting my progress to another person.

Originally Posted by
yussef
Great work and share man. I don't have the level of experience you do but it does seem that you have the ability to jump around and do a lot in a very short time frame. How do you stay focused long enough to master one thing? Just curious.
Staying focused requires dedication. The ability to see past your current struggles and know that it's all for a reason. It's not just about accomplishing goals. It's about creating a vision. The daily goals, whether you complete them or fail trying, are merely stepping stones to accomplishing your greater vision.
I've got a fairly well developed vision where I see my life headed. I know that right now, I'm getting closer to that vision. I'd recommend anyone else starting out to put pen to paper and write down exactly what it is they want. Then setup goals that will help navigate towards that vision.
05-17-2015 09:34 PM
#36
gomisha (Member)

Originally Posted by
ssmarketers
Thanks and best of luck to you too! I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in the struggle. It looks like I'm starting to get a better handle on things and my campaigns are doing better and better each day. Still haven't hit green yet, but I'm getting awfully close.
I'm rooting for you. I'm sure you will get there very soon.

Originally Posted by
ssmarketers
Totally agree with Beeminder. Not sure I would have stayed as focused and as determined without it. Great on you for having someone to keep you accountable. How exactly does that work though? Seems like it would be difficult to track all of my goals by reporting my progress to another person.
We use a Google Doc spreadsheet where we write our accountability items each week. Each week has it's own worksheet, so it stays uncluttered. We put $500 on the line so that if either one of us doesn't do the items they commit to, they lose $500. That keeps you highly motivated and makes you think hard before committing to something. I have a 10 minutes Skype call with him each day to keep each other on track. It's more personal/real than Beeminder because it was easier to cheat with Beeminder (after a while), if you start losing money.

Originally Posted by
ssmarketers
Staying focused requires dedication. The ability to see past your current struggles and know that it's all for a reason. It's not just about accomplishing goals. It's about creating a vision. The daily goals, whether you complete them or fail trying, are merely stepping stones to accomplishing your greater vision.
I've got a fairly well developed vision where I see my life headed. I know that right now, I'm getting closer to that vision. I'd recommend anyone else starting out to put pen to paper and write down exactly what it is they want. Then setup goals that will help navigate towards that vision.
I'd love to know more about the process you use to create your vision. I'm actually in the process of doing a new vision statement/vision board myself. I want to start using daily visualization exercises to connect with it every day.
05-20-2015 11:47 AM
#37
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
gomisha
I'd love to know more about the process you use to create your vision. I'm actually in the process of doing a new vision statement/vision board myself. I want to start using daily visualization exercises to connect with it every day.
My system is quick, easy and works for me. However, it's not very refined.
I've got a google doc, which is a mishmash of different things. My vision, my goals, my to do list, and my achievements.
To Do list: I plan out what I want to do this month, then each Sunday I plan out each week, then each morning I plan out each day. I'm constantly going into the list and striking out the things when I've finished them. It's a great visualization of the progress I'm making. It's also easy to see what things I've let slip.
Accomplishments: I make sure to record major accomplishments and then date them. This provides me a way to go back and see all the work I've put into this journey. I like to look over this when I'm feeling overwhelmed or lazy. It will usually help me get out of the funk.
Goals: I track a lot of my goals on beeminder. Goals that wouldn't work on beeminder I keep in the doc. I set timelines for when I want to achieve them. I make sure to document successes and failures. I make sure to describe the circumstances that lead to each.
Vision: Actually the first thing on the document. I see it every day - multiple times a day. It motivates me to keep moving forward. I've spent a lot of time developing the various visions I have. They're dynamic, I can edit them as I see fit. But most importantly they are very lofty. I want to make sure that they're not easily achievable. And most of them are not AM related. However, AM is a vehicle that I'm hoping will help me get there.
Hope that helps.
Would also like to hear more about your daily visualizations.
05-25-2015 10:13 AM
#38
aushustler87 (AMC Alumnus)
Hey Mike, did you get that problem with decisive sorted?
05-26-2015 12:35 PM
#39
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
aushustler87
Hey Mike, did you get that problem with decisive sorted?
No, I never did. Decisive reps said that the reporting issues were from their compliance checks. But that didn't seem congruent with what I was witnessing.
05-27-2015 01:00 PM
#40
Ruby Tunes ()
What has been happening on the campaign front then? Any progress or have you paused everything trying to get this sorted..?
05-27-2015 02:06 PM
#41
ssmarketers (Member)

Originally Posted by
Ruby Tunes
What has been happening on the campaign front then? Any progress or have you paused everything trying to get this sorted..?
Ruby, what are you psychic? I had just opened this to post an update and I get a notification on my phone that you were asking for one. Ha.
As far as the specific questions regarding Decisive... I've stopped using their platform for now. I was seeing more conversions on Decisive as compared to Go2.
However, postbacks were not sending and click and impressions weren't being recorded on decisive. I believe they were sorting out some technical issues. Because of those issues it was a real PITA to determine which banners/placements were performers and which needed to be cut. I've used all my budget on decisive. I might try them again in the future.
After 7 days of optimizations I wasn't able to make the campaign profitable on Decisive or Go2. I've paused that campaign.
All is not lost though....
I've been working with a partner developing a pop sweep offer. We've been doing a lot of leg work ripping and generating landers/angles/ideas. After about a week of setting up we finally launched yesterday.
And I'm super excited to announce that I had my first green day! Here's the details.
Spend : $3.42
Revenue:
$6.40
ROI:
+87%
I know not much has been spent, and not much data is in, but it is really nice to see a positive ROI at the end of the day. I will begin optimizing this campaign and hopefully will reach a point where scaling seems reasonable.
Lander 1
Impressions: ~600
Clicks: 10
Conversions: 0
Lander 2
Impressions: ~600
Clicks: 2
Conversions: 2
I doubt that 100% click to conversion rate will hold true on Lander 2 as more data comes in.
I'm excited by the fact I had a green day. But am not resting easy yet. Looking forward to where I can take this campaign!
05-27-2015 02:39 PM
#42
caurmen (Administrator)
Woo! Well done - hard work = results.
As you say, this isn't statistically significant yet, but still - well done. First green day is a good milestone!
05-27-2015 04:41 PM
#43
MikroB (AMC Alumnus)
Is it true Decisive uses the Smaato exchange as Go2Mobi, so you're likely to see similar site and app placements?
Caurmen....can you enlighten?
05-27-2015 10:10 PM
#44
vortex (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by
ssmarketers
And I'm super excited to announce that I had my first green day! Here's the details.
Spend : $3.42
Revenue: $6.40
ROI: +87%
*Applause!*
Respect and congrats! If that lander looks promising with more data, consider testing other offers in the same geo, and even other geos (if that lander is generic i.e. not specific to one geo, then it may also work well in other geos!) Notice that many of the big dogs in AM will not wait until they have the perfect creatives before starting on scaling. If you think you have something promising, you may be ready to test other offers and geos - cut the losers and scale the winners to other networks.
Also, consider adding elements to your best lander to make it convert even better - hlyghst has shared a TON of useful tips on what works - be sure to read this thread as well as all other threads by him, several times if you need to and take notes:
http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...sweeps-Q-amp-A
Really happy for you!
Amy
05-27-2015 11:26 PM
#45
Go2mobi (Member)

Originally Posted by
MikroB
Is it true Decisive uses the Smaato exchange as Go2Mobi, so you're likely to see similar site and app placements?
Caurmen....can you enlighten?
Obviously not Caurmen, but yeah, we would have the same Smaato traffic as Decisive. It really comes down to the tools/targeting/support offered by each respective platform, as most DSPs have access to the exact same traffic.
05-28-2015 11:03 AM
#46
Ruby Tunes ()

Originally Posted by
ssmarketers
Ruby, what are you psychic? I had just opened this to post an update and I get a notification on my phone that you were asking for one. Ha.
Haha, yeeeep I've been watching you...
Awesome buddy, congrats on the first green day! A milestone indeed
You know what to do! Get them stats flowing!
Looking forward to the next update!
05-28-2015 06:14 PM
#47
laurencestanley (Member)
Great work Mike. I'm sure it won't be long before your next big milestone! You truly are a hard worker and like people have said, it will pay off.
05-28-2015 10:06 PM
#48
stitch (Member)
Nice, a day after we talked about gettin green! Glad to see you're making progress.
06-02-2015 02:04 PM
#49
ssmarketers (Member)
Time for an update!
Still running the same sweep. Been having a blast optimizing this one and getting nearly free data. Haven't been able to get the campaign on steady yet. But I've been systematically split testing landers to move towards a high performer. And from that I've been making progress.
Things I've split tested
- Completely different landers
- Lander modifications
- Different offers
Here's some daily stats:
I feel like I'm on the edge of making money with this campaign. One problem is that I'm capping out on the available traffic on Popads. So yesterday I setup ZeroPark to try to get more data.
Things I'm starting to notice from the data
- Certain OS's click thru much more than others but don't convert
- Tablets convert nearly 3x's more than mobile devices
- Nearly no conversions during work hours
- Sunday is payday.
Any thoughts on things I should look at, or ways I can push that ROI up? Any thoughts on how to monetize the OS that doesn't seem to like this offer?
06-02-2015 02:59 PM
#50
laurencestanley (Member)
It seems like you have done a lot of split testing which is great (and kept records of it!).
Perhaps after you have enough data, you could redirect non converting OS's to an offer that you know converts for them. Although, I appreciate that's easier said than done. Are you still using Voluum with the sweeps/pop combo?
I found it interesting to read that tablets convert more than mobiles! I know we always heard the opposite with app installs. Have you ran a campaign that only targets tablets? Has that done well?
Keep us updated with how you get on at ZeroPark!
06-05-2015 11:42 AM
#51
vortex (Senior Moderator)

Originally Posted by
ssmarketers
[B]
Things I'm starting to notice from the data
- Certain OS's click thru much more than others but don't convert
- Tablets convert nearly 3x's more than mobile devices
- Nearly no conversions during work hours
- Sunday is payday.
Any thoughts on things I should look at, or ways I can push that ROI up? Any thoughts on how to monetize the OS that doesn't seem to like this offer?
Very nice progress and thanks for the informative observations!
At this point I wouldn't fixate on ROI yet - rather, I'd focus 100% on 1) optimizing my landers and 2) testing and finding the best offers.
Because once you have a profitable lander + offer combo, you can scale the sh*t out of it. And unless the angle you're using for your lander is geo-specific, you can use the same optimized lander across different geos and for a variety of sweeps offers (electronics, cash, vouchers, whatever else have you).
Kudos on taking massive action - I'm sure your efforts will be rewarded real soon!
Amy
06-05-2015 08:41 PM
#52
raymondduke (Member)
Hey ssmarketers,
Love your momentum with this.
I was looking to get started with the same method you're using, but I'm completely new to the affiliate marketing process.
But one thing I do know a lot about is copywriting, so I was thinking perhaps we can could each other out?
Would you be interested in having me take a look at your angles and giving you headline copy and banner ideas for you to test in exchange for some advice on how I can get started with my own campaigns?
I realize it's explained in the guide, but having someone help me out would mean a lot!
Send me a pm if you're interested.
And if you're not, no big deal! I'll still keep an eye on this thread and continue to wish you the best!
06-16-2015 11:17 AM
#53
ssmarketers (Member)
I've been quiet lately, but that doesn't mean I've stopped working. Quite the opposite really, I've been optimizing the hell out of my sweep campaign. Learning a lot and even earning a small profit over the last seven days! This is a testament that consistent deliberate focus will get you GREEN.
Stats:

Observations
- First week running a profit!
- CPM has increased this last week.
- Doubled the amount of conversions with nearly the same amount of impressions.
- Two $xx/days profit in a row.
What I did
- I've been doing daily split tests. Constantly testing against my winning lander and trying to improve on it. Every once in a while I'll throw something completely new against it to see if it can be bested. Slow improvements to increase performance
- Slowly cutting bad placements.
- Created a whitelist campaign with a higher bid. Other campaign is still running finding winning placements.
- Requested a higher payout = instant ROI boost
Obstacles
- Scaling Scaling Scaling. I can't seem to get more traffic out of this source and geo. I've decided to stick with the traffic source and launch other geos with similar offers. Hope that won't be too much to manage. It's quite possible that things that work on one won't work on the other.
06-16-2015 01:16 PM
#54
Ruby Tunes ()
Great work man! Loving the amount of green coming through!
Regarding the traffic, have you checked the planner and/or asked a rep whether there is more potential traffic?
06-17-2015 05:16 PM
#55
cbrughmans (Member)
there's only one rule - never ever give up, keep on going!
you are doing an amazing job and persistence will lead to success. let me know if you wanna brainstorm a bit more about media buying and share knowledge/contacts. Just hit me up on skype.
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