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Adsonar & Diet trial - being compliant and profiting? (13)


03-25-2015 11:07 AM #1 kidnico (Member)
Adsonar & Diet trial - being compliant and profiting?

Hi guys. So here's the story.
We are doing some testing on adsonar (advertising.com) for our diet trial offer. We are working closely with our acc rep but whenever we submit our LPs we get it back for a revision to change X number of things to make it compliant. The problem is, to make an advertorial compliant means you practically have to remove everything that makes people convert, not to mention disclosures and everything else that has to be there.

For God sake, we can't even use hard scarcity because it's misleading so instead of "offer expires today/date" we use something like "offer expires soon" and similar soft scarcity tactics.

Another interesting thing about Adsonar is that premium placements have decent LP CTR (and CR if good angle) but can get really expensive to get some volume. Mostly because of the big advertisers in other niches like insurance, finance etc. that don't mind paying up to $10 CPC.

On the other hand, there are cheap placements, but oh boy... on those placements LP CTR is as low as 0.5% to 3%. Funny thing is, I even managed to optimize a placement like that to profitability with LP CTR of 1% (crazy I know, right?). No, it's not a problem with LPs because on other expensive placements CTR is usually 15-25% which is acceptable.

For now we've spent around $5700 in a testing phase and had 41 conversions. Campaigns that were breaking even or profitable were killed by adsonar after some time because of some ad policy changes and we couldn't use some phrases/angles anymore. (SMH)

I'm not asking for any spoon feeding, but would like to hear your opinions.
My questions to you are:

1. Is it even possible to be profitable on such a competitive traffic source with SUPER COMPLIANT advertorials?
2. Is there any OTHER AD NETWORK you'd suggest that is not as strict as them?
3. Is cloaking our only option? I prefer doing long term biz with big ad networks than playing cat and mouse game.

Thanks in advance.


03-25-2015 11:40 AM #2 grandtheftpixel (Senior Member)

Just to confirm is it your offer? Assuming your CPA target is $40-$50 if you own the offer?

Try native they appear to be a little more relaxed as they're still building momentum, however I think we're at the top of the affiliate curve.


03-25-2015 12:02 PM #3 kidnico (Member)

Hi Grandthefpixel. Thanks for your reply.

Yes, our goal is in that range. Doing internal media buying for a diet trial owner.

Any native ad networks you'd suggest? Outbrain is pain in the ass with their compliance rules as well. Taboola could be good but maybe better to test some less saturated native ad networks?

I did some research for native ad networks and those are some I've found;
- outbrain.com
- taboola.com
- revcontent.com
- Curata.com
- nrelate.com
- engageya.com
- zemanta.com
- Disqus
- Content.ad
- Nativo.net
- sharethrough.com
- publish2.com
- streamads.yahoo.com
- gemini.yahoo.com
- gravity.com
- hexagram.com
- contentblvd.com
- onespot.com
- voxmedia.com
- Scoop.it
- Paper.li

Obviously, some of those above were not built for direct response advertisers but more for branding.
I could potentially test each of these networks with $5k each, but if someone had tested any of these and thinks are worth trying I'd be very thankful to save me some time and money.

Tnx.


03-25-2015 12:03 PM #4 grandtheftpixel (Senior Member)

They'll take your money if they're fine with the offers. Try creating the ads you want to run and DL to the offer to test what they're willing to allow. Try Gemini.


06-26-2015 04:21 PM #5 coldsyrup (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by kidnico View Post
Hi Grandthefpixel. Thanks for your reply.

Yes, our goal is in that range. Doing internal media buying for a diet trial owner.

Any native ad networks you'd suggest? Outbrain is pain in the ass with their compliance rules as well. Taboola could be good but maybe better to test some less saturated native ad networks?

I did some research for native ad networks and those are some I've found;
- outbrain.com
- taboola.com
- revcontent.com
- Curata.com
- nrelate.com
- engageya.com
- zemanta.com
- Disqus
- Content.ad
- Nativo.net
- sharethrough.com
- publish2.com
- streamads.yahoo.com
- gemini.yahoo.com
- gravity.com
- hexagram.com
- contentblvd.com
- onespot.com
- voxmedia.com
- Scoop.it
- Paper.li

Obviously, some of those above were not built for direct response advertisers but more for branding.
I could potentially test each of these networks with $5k each, but if someone had tested any of these and thinks are worth trying I'd be very thankful to save me some time and money.

Tnx.
Hey kidnico, did you ever end up testing any of these display networks? I'd be interested to see how they performed for direct response advertisers, especially in the diet trial space which seems to be under the microscope right now.

Thanks!


07-08-2015 10:06 PM #6 frontierpsychiatrist (Member)

Try Taboola and Gravity first, its all about your rep really.


07-09-2015 02:40 PM #7 avazupx (Member)

You may also try our mDSP (mdsp.avazutracking.net), we provide native ads as well.


07-15-2015 09:55 AM #8 lazylobster (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by avazupx View Post
You may also try our mDSP (mdsp.avazutracking.net), we provide native ads as well.
cool, but isnt that only mobile


07-15-2015 11:10 AM #9 romubrug (AMC Alumnus)

Quote Originally Posted by lazylobster View Post
cool, but isnt that only mobile
correct. No desktop with Avazu mDSP


07-15-2015 11:21 AM #10 lazylobster (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by romubrug View Post
correct. No desktop with Avazu mDSP
could be hard to get traction on diet offers through mobile or am I wrong here?


07-15-2015 04:25 PM #11 pain2k (Veteran Member)

Diet works great on mobile as well.


07-15-2015 05:48 PM #12 lazylobster (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by pain2k View Post
Diet works great on mobile as well.
okay but then only with a very simple flow and only lead submit I assume. I am really interested to learn how on mobile this could work.


07-15-2015 06:18 PM #13 pain2k (Veteran Member)

Mobile responsive LP. Look around


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