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Road to $1,000/day with Arbitrage and ZeroPark (48)

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Hi STM,

First...Sorry for my bad english I'm training it

It's my first time in CPA (I had 2 years experience in Affiliate Marketing with Amazon). I'm making this thread so i can keep myself accountable. I also can get a lot of useful feeedback from awesome marketers

I read about Arbitrage strategy from thedudeabides's thread and i think it's fit to me. I want to learn how to use paid traffic first, and with this strategy, i can skip landing page, offer hunting...

Short Introduction

Traffic source: ZeroPark!
Affiliate Network: YTZ
Vertical: Run of Network or Sweepstakes? (I think RON Vertical have higher conversion rate - after some tested campaign)
Tracking Tools:: Voluum with Free Package
Budget: $3,000

I was approved by ZeroPark and YTZ and i'm testing some campaigns. My strategy: Choose country with good RPM in YTZ list, check Avg Bid in ZeroPark. If it's ok, i'll test this country.

Below is my stats:

Dec 3:
Ads Spend: $10.07
Revenue:: $0
Profit:: -$10.07
ROI: -100%

Dec 4:

Ads Spend: $88.74 (My mistake about timezone - duplicate my budget)
Revenue:: $7.06
Profit:: -$81.68
ROI: -92%

My question:

• I'm confusing with this strategy. I tested 7 countries but only 3 countries have conversion with very low ROI. Should i change my traffic source?
• What can i do to optimize my conversion rate and my profit? Increase budget of converting countries? Kill no convert campaign? Lower my bid? Anything else?

Thanks watching my follow along

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hate to tell you mate but the Voluum free package isn't going to go very far with pop/redirect traffic, you'll burn through that in no time.

The absolute best advice I can give you with this method is to launch more,keep it simple, throw shit at a wall, see what sticks and scale it.

I got to xxx/day doing just that.

Launch more.

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What would a RON vertical be? Are you bidding on mobile or desktop traffic? It's too soon to start thinking about changing the traffic source IMO.

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I found 1 country has good RPM and i think i'll try to optimize it.

Some choices to optimize:
1. Optimize target. I'll select some targets have conversion and create new campaign for it.
2. Optimize bid. I'll bid manually for some targets have conversion to get better placement.

Any other ideas?

I'm bidding on mobile AND desktop in 1 campaign I'll split test but i think mobile is better.
EDIT: I checked Voluum and i saw that:


Dec 5:

Spend: $33.65
Revenue: $6.32
Profit: -$28.16
ROI: -84%

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you don't have enough conversions to start individually targeting placements, just keep running traffic.

Split mobile/desktop up ASAP, traffic is a completely different cost between the two & placements will perform differently, you need to be able to optimize off placements separately.

Any ideas? launch in more geos, don't arse around in one with this method, launch another 10 today and see if anything hits the ground running.

Also if you have the budget I'd highly recommend moving out to more traffic sources simultaneously.

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Not a bad idea to listen to Craig. He reached mid xxx/day revenue and got better payout terms from YTZ.

You look like you are spending way too much money for one geo. I need a geo with a minimum viable EPV (greater than the minimum bid) if I want to spend more than $10 on it.

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I'm tested 7 countries and found 2 countries with good RPM. I'm testing more ( 7 - 10 camps/day for 7 - 10 countries, with country that convert, i will split test mobile/desktop, vertical, redirect/pop....) but today Zeropark didn't approve my campaign (weekend?).

Do you know any traffic source suitable for YTZ? (Cheap traffic source, i think so).

1 question: Anyone know how to check Zeropark target in Voluum?

Dec 6:
Spend: $9.51
Revenue: $5.23
Profit: -$4.28
ROI: -$45%

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Don't concern yourself over whether traffic is cheap or not, some geos might convert like wildfire and bidding aggressively is a good solution

look for popunder traffic, search on here, google it, look on linkedin, sitepoint etc.

Here's how I find traffic sources on google



to find targets in Voluum look under the 'Variables' tab in Voluum on the far right

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I can't see the "Variables" tab, i think because my account is free package?

1 more question because i'm confusing If i want to test other traffic source, how can i know it's a gold mine? I mean, each of traffic source have so much countries, i have to split test every country?

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Identify what sort of conversions you want. I want countries that get at least the minimum bid in epv within $10.

That's my target so I test based on that target.

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I found this sheet - YTZ - Traffic Type Stats (include Average RPM for each country)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=160830665

Did you choose country base on Average RPM?

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The average rpm is based off of ytz stats. Your mileage may vary. Generally low traffic countries have high dollar conversions and a low conversion percentage.

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You don't have this when you go into a campaign report?



Yes, you find gold mines by testing, that's all you can do is test, search here 1st for traffic sources to see what people have said about them, there's terrible traffic sources that you should completely avoid that have been called out on here several times, Clicksor and DirectCPV for example.

Other than that, just test it.

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To add on to Craig.

With traditional direct linking, your advantage comes from writing better copy, or making a higher converting banner.

More advanced affiliate marketing includes the landing page as a source of advantage.

With YTZ, your advantage comes from finding a traffic source nobody else is using, so the bids are low, and has higher conversions.

Zeropark, dntx, etc are good first starts. But I guarantee you won't be the only person using those traffic sources.

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My campaign report page:


You're right, i'm trying to find and test pop under traffic. I'll select some top countries to test for each traffic source ($5 - $10 budget/country).

The only thing i can optimize in YTZ is traffic source, so if cpm > epv, i have to cut off this country/traffic source, right?

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Yes.

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That's not the report page. That's the general dashboard. Click any campaign and then the report button to check the reports.

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Got it

Dec 7

Spend: $10.03
Revenue: $5.23
Profit: -$4.80
ROI: -$48%

I'm trying to find other traffic source (Pop under). I hope it work Zeropark didn't approve my ads so i can't test more countries. I hope they will approve it today.

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You should be able to at least optimize placements, then depending on traffic source OS, browser etc

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You mean optimize my bid? I afraid i don't have enough conversions to optimize base on devices, OS, browser...

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I mean optimize off sites where your ad is running on a particular ad network that aren't backing out.

Yes you need to gather more data.

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Example, i'm running 1 campaign on ZeroPark, I have 900 targets do not have enough data, 80 are definite losers and 20 targets which convert so i have to group 20 targets are profitable to 1 campaign, increase budget?

Sorry because my english is not good

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Hello lamnguyenz! Your post is very interesting.

Can you help me to setup ytz (postback, etc..) with volumm?

Thanks in advance!

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1. Go to Voluum -> Setting -> Setup -> Get Postback URL
2. Go to YTZ -> Tracking -> Postback -> Paste this URL: http://XXXX.XXXX.com/postback?cid={SUB1}&payout={REVENUE}
3. Paste this link to Voluum Offer setup: http://XXX.truedefendlinked.com/?s1={clickid}

What problem do you have?

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Dec 8:

Spend: $48.30
Revenue: $18.09
Profit: -$30.21
ROI: -63%

I got 2 profitable countries in ZeroPark. Killed 2 loser.

Some questions:

• I set $30 budget per campaign, but Zeropark only eat $8 - $10 per campaign. Some new campaigns wasn't reached. I can't understand the reason.
• I found some quality traffic source (i think so) but their minimum deposit is $500 - $1,000. Should i deposit the big money to this traffic source (I didn't test anything in this traffic source)

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You're bidding too low and not winning enough impressions

$500-$1000 minimum? is it Lead Impact, 50onred or traffic vance?

I'd stay away from pop ups myself, YTZ's pages are quite slow, speed is king here.

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Adsupply, i deposited $500, omg...
I think Pop Under is bad choice. I used Popcash but it have low conversion.

Dec 9

Spend: $39.17
Revenue: $13.38
Profit: -$25.79
ROI: -66%

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Dec 10

Spend: $66.18
Revenue: $29.01
Profit: -$37.17
ROI: -56%

I increased my bid in ZeroPark but it don't work I'm trying another country.

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I suggest to check targets on tracking, and try to block unprofitable on ZeroPark ... ; )

Or Better suggestion - spend more money , to find better targets ... and make same action.

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"Don't work" - I mean my campaign don't have any impression

I'm trying to block unprofitable target and find better countries (It work, i'll show the stat tomorrow)

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Multiple source. It works!

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Great thread, following like a hawk! Going to take on this myself. I tried some campaigns, but I think I was spread too much across different verticals and traffic sources and I haven't been able to produce positive ROI so far. This seems like a good strategy do really learn traffic and then eventually branch out to creating my own creatives and running traffic direct to offers.

@sieghart how much of your original $3k budget have you spent so far?

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Total stats:
Spend: $1,983.49
Revenue: $1,589.68
Profit: -$393.81
ROI: -20%

Dec 25:
Spend: $130.86
Revenue: $130.46
Profit: -$0.4
ROI: 0%

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Dec 26:
Spend: $111.64
Revenue: $120.74
Profit: $9.10
ROI: 8%

Dec 27:
Spend: $92.34
Revenue: $102.40
Profit: $10.06
ROI: 11%

Dec 28:
Spend: $98.74
Revenue: $86.46
Profit: -$12.28
ROI: 12%

So hard to get $100 profit a day!

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at least you're seeing some green, how many new geos are you testing? some geos will completely outperform others and if you find them will likely be the bulk of your profit, keep testing

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Dec 29:
Spend: $111.77
Revenue: $165.30
Profit: $53.53
ROI: 48%

I tested over 15 geos and found 2 profitable geos.

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It's great that you're finally seeing some positive numbers, although I think you might be spreading yourself too thin.

15 geos and only $111.77 spent?

Looks like you're scraping the bottom of the available inventory there, unless we're talking pretty obscure geos. I'd port those 2 profitable geos into their own campaigns and attempt to take them over. You should probably also split test other offers outside of YTZ to try and get a higher EPC, so you can bid higher and get more volume.

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I'm running only 2 geos now. I'm testing more geos

Dec 30:
Spend: $85.97
Revenue: $128.71
Profit: $42.74
ROI: 50%

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I'm on vacation so i didn't edit anything in my campaigns. Below are my stats:

Dec 31:
Spend: $102.20
Revenue: $136.66
Profit: $34.46
ROI: 34%

Jan 1:
Spend: $80.13
Revenue: $78.35
Profit: -$1.78
ROI: -2%

Jan 2:
Spend: $88.73
Revenue: $169.99
Profit: $81.26
ROI: 92%

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Wow awesome!! I just quickly scrolled through the whole follow along - what's really remarkable and clear to see is how it went from -100% ROI to something around -50% ROI , then some spikes but in general just a slow and steady progress - and now some really sweet numbers! Good luck scaling this!

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I'm testing more countries to reach $500 revenue a day (I need $500 revenue a day to get weekly payout)

Jan 3 (Out of Funds)
Spend: $16.66
Revenue: $10.6
Profit: -$6.06
ROI: -36%

Jan 4:
Spend: $148.80
Revenue: $131.23
Profit: -$17.57
ROI: -12%

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sieghart, you using Direct Nav or pops? any other traffic source you recommend for direct nav or PPR for mobile traffic? thanks,

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My 2 main traffic sources are Zeropark and DNTX.

Other: Popcash, Popads, and other pop-under traffic sources...

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You're making great progress. I'd take those winning countries/offers and try them on a handful of new sources as budget allows.

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On YTZ ? Kate said to me yesterday that the minimum for a weekly payment was 100K/month (!!). Can't work with us, it's impossible to scale even with a bi-monthly net 15 payment...

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Robert made events from zeropark free so the free package from Voluum should be fine.

Nice follow along, not sure if you are already doing this, but make sure you bid high (you can can see your position in zeropark), otherwise you'll get crappy traffic and might be getting rid of placements that are actually solid.

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I made that post nearly 4 months ago

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The free zeropark event policy wasn't around 4 months ago

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