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Is it even possible to make money at adult this days? (23)

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Hi guys,
I just wondered if it's even possible to make money at adult this days?

And if so, how much budged do you think is good to start with?

Let me know pls.
I'm out of motivation/...

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Of course it is possible I know how you feel tho, I went through the same phase as you do right now.

I made dozens of campaigns and nothing really worked so I started to be full of doubt about this whole thing. But its certainly doable, just not as easy as it once was.

As for the budget, adult is a volume game so you need to test quite big to really see some patterns. I started with a budget of about $100 per day and quickly increased as much as my cashflow allowed. Its doable with less but it slows down the process a lot.

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Possible to make money in adult? Its a certain possibility, FACT!

Can you please shed some light on what you've tried in the adult space,

With affiliate marketing you really want at least $1000, if you have less you really have to make sure you get the best bang for your buck. Running skyscrapers or obscure placements sizes in uncommon geos on unsaturated placements. There is SO MUCH potential still, you just have to continue. I'm still seeing people come into this space and blow it up, it DEFINITELY works.

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Adult dating, mobile and live cams yes... Anything else is very difficult and conversion ratios are in the toilet

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I've been averaging $20k/mo profit on adult for the past 3 years... it's still quite possible

Although, I will admit that it is quite difficult for a noobie these days to break into it.

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It's hard because you need larger budget to get data much faster ....

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I know quite a few guys whose life was changed by porn Google fucked their SEO sites, and they got into adult dating because they like tits and ass, and today they are doing xxx per day which is pretty nice cash per month no matter how u look at it

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I would say it is a low entry barrier vertical.

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it used to be... Just like mainstream is today however there are 10,000 pound gorillas that roam that vertical now and control most of the traffic flow.

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It's a very low entry barrier because of the transparency of it all, you can see everyones campaigns just flicking through the tube sites, but the difference between the large and struggling affiliates is in the relationships.

Quality leads, good communication, higher volume = Big payouts

But most of these bigger affiliates overlook the obscure placements its been said countless times on this forum. I speak to people who still run 300-500% roi on skyscrapers etc on the lesser saturated networks. Scale this through some tier 2 Geos and you could be spending $100-200 a day and netting back $500+

Theres a noob on this forum who messaged me about scaling placements because his spending $10-15 a day and its earning him back $100+ It's not massive money if you're running one placement, but if you run 5-10 countries over these less competitive placements with solid offers and multiple sources, it adds up quick. THINK DIFFERENT.

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I have been in adult since 1998, as webmaster/affiliate, media buyer/superaffiliate and now as affiliate program owner.

Of course the early days were better, until free content became the norm and the reasons to pay for it were less and less. That basically killed the video adult business in desktop, with dating and cams remaining as good money makers due to not being content you can pirate or get for free (even when free chat sites are also damaging the cams business now too).

Then mobile came in 2011 and saved the whole business along with dating. Huge possibilities came in, and the good thing is that its still growing a lot. When I started in mobile in 2011, the % of mobile vs desktop in adult sites was 5/95, now it's around 40/60 and I expect that mobile will be the main source of online traffic in the next years, and of course it includes adult.

Think about it, mobile is perfect for adult, where would you consume porn, in the PC placed in your living room? in the 65" Full HD 3D TV with wife and kids around or alone in the WC with your mobile phone?

Adult Mobile is huuuuge, in fact our company is mainly based around adult mobile cpa offers. We are processing around 3 Million Adult Mobile CPA conversions per month and our growth lately is around a 10% more per month, so it gives you an idea of the possibilities.

We have some STP'ers that started with us 1 month ago, with little experience in mobile adult and are already doing $x,xxx per day. Of course they were big experienced affiliates in other verticals and had the budget and general traffic optimization knowledge to scale up.

In general, for Mobile adult, there are two high level strategies that you can use:

1) Buy expensive traffic in the high CPA/low conversion countries (West Europe, USA)
2) Buy cheap traffic in the low CPA/high conversion countries (East Europe, Asia, Latam, Africa)

For 1 there is a high entry barrier, you need high budget and big expenses to optimize the traffic, if you find the right sources after that optimization, are good on traffic optimization, banners, landings, etc, ROI will be high with little traffic once you get it rolling.

For 2 there is a low entry barrier, traffic is cheap, huge volumes available, so it's easier to optimize (because the high number of conversions). The only issue is that you need a lot of traffic to make money due to the low CPA.

I would recommend strategy 2 for new affiliates in adult mobile to learn with lower investment and huge amount statistical data to play with (high traffic volume, high conversions volume).

In resume, there is a lot of money to be made in adult, specially in mobile.

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Man with the experience I got from 6 months in adult, here what I can tell you:

* Be like a golddigger: Follow the money, not the passion. Follow current good offers, not the current placement/campaign/country you love; Develop a system to find the top offers fast. Getting access to good offers early I'd say is 80% of the game.

* Try to optimize the marketing materials you spy. Your creation is almost always better.

* Have at least $2000 + I'll tell you why. I don't know if you'll lose it all, but once you find a winner, you need to keep your cashflow. Usually the CPA networks need you to send them at least $1000 in weekly revenue to get a weekly payment (the first level holy grail of cashflow to affiliates); Use 1 network while you grow your money (I'd Advice Clickdealer or Advidi);

* I like testing $30 / combo (1 banner + 1 LP + 1 offer LP); Usually I make at least something back;

* This is more of a personal thing, but if you intend to stay in adult long term, build your own good offer once you have a higher capital: license a good VSL product; Build a list; Do a Webcam Whitelabel, etc. Something that provides a real value to people, for you to be able to have your own clients that will buy from you for years.

* Don' forget bullet number one;

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^ Spot on

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IIRC, didn't you launch your first campaign in June?

you've come a long way in a short time

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I see a lot of these threads popping up lately.

Is it possible to make money in adult today? Yes, $xx,xxx is very possible.

Is it as easy as it was 3 years ago? Def no, in AM everything changes fast, you have to adapt.

Can you make money if you are a newb? Yes, just focus on lower competition geos or traffic sources.

Hope this helps.

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Nice thread... quick question... I notice people say "find a great offer" and that it's key... which makes sense. So, what criteria or offer specs or details would make a good offer in your eyes?

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For newbz its so hard, even for veterans that i personally know, guys that pulled 15k days now are scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's becoming very stressful. With all due respect to the people that replied but just check where the information is coming from....Affiliate managers won't tell you it's dead and it's not worth it....but on the same hand affiliates don't want you joining in to become competition. Who do you trust?

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Trust the people making money on this forum from adult, I know numerous, I am one of them, like Bbrock said its not as easy as it was but its definitely still a massive scalable source of traffic.

Converts well, consistently. Its too hard to say what makes a good offer you just have to split test them all. It could be a high converting low payout offer, or a consistent converting higher payout offer, SOI or DOI, whatever. You just have to split test till one stands out. When you see new ones come onto the networks always put them in for a test, its kept my campaigns flowing along for a long time

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i know some people run offers other than adult on the adult sources, any idea how well they do?
im just wondering if the problem is not a lack of traffic at all, just over-saturated with all the same types of things.

i think i may jump into adult just to test this out without running adult offers, running a different type of niche altogether.

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get the right set of tools (eg tracker, banner serving, offers) , feeling of what traffic works for what and then scale the sources you found. We can advise and help you with your strategy.

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I hear people talk about finding the "good offer"... what are the characteristics of a good... better yet, GREAT offer? Also, what are the top 3 networks for these great offers?

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There is still plenty of money to make. Just ask our biggest affiliates

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