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Ranking A Site for Huge Affiliate Keywords (31)

10-12-2014 10:18 PM #1 charlesfloate (Member)
Ranking A Site for Huge Affiliate Keywords

- This is a Black Hat SEO Project. Be warned, this site will most likely get burned within a few months of ranking. For this specific site, I invested under $1,000 and ranking Page 1 for all my keywords for just 3 months has the potential to have an ROI of over 2900%, I already spoke with the HostGator Affiliate manager.

Though this site isn't aimed to be a long term project (Wanting to do 3-4 months of ranking page 1) black hat seo can be long term, see my blog post here - http://godofseo.ca/case-study/black-...-case-studies/

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Hey guys,

So this is my first info thread on STM. Not sure how you guys normally format your threads etc.. So I'll just use my normal "style".

In this thread, I'll be ranking a site for some big affiliate keywords.

Keywords:
- Hostgator coupon (9,900 US Monthly Searches)
- Hostgator review (3,600 US Monthly Searches)
- Hostgator reviews (2,400 US Monthly Searches)

Setting it all up -
I started of by grabbing an aged domain from the Namecheap Marketplace, domain: Hosting-Options.com with nearly 9 years age, it cost me $50.
The age protects the money site from large amounts of link velocity.

I then got a brand new hosting account from HawkHost, so I had it on a unique IP compared to my other affiliate sites and installed Wordpress.

I used Affiliate Review Plus by ReadyThemes - http://www.readythemes.com/affiliate-review-plus/

A long with plugins:
- Wordpress SEO by Yoast
- Google XML Sitemaps
- Pretty Link Pro
- WP Product Review Pro
- Limit Login Attempts
- Facebook Like Box

I custom wrote the reviews and also ordered 2,000 words of content for the homepage from iWriter, focused on the Hostgator review that I'd written for the homepage.

I also bought 2x 2+ year old domains for $20 each in the Tech niche from Namecheap marketplace and 301'd them at my money site.

Link Building & Social Signals -
This is the main part, where I start building links.

Firstly, I ordered 50 Niche Relevant Comments with Branded Anchor texts from Adss30 - http://www.adss30.com/high-pr-niche-...-blog-comment/

I also ordered 10 unique social bookmarks (with branded anchors) and 240 social signals from this service - https://smartseoservices.wufoo.com/f...ng-pakage-v10/

I ordered 5 exact match, high authority SAPE links from Daniyal's service - https://sapebydaniyal.wufoo.eu/forms...ks-by-daniyal/

I ordered 400 High PR SAPE Links at my 301s with exact match anchor text from SEOlutions - http://seolutions.biz/store/index.ph...-pr-links.html

I ordered 75 Niche Relevant PBN Links from John P's Service, with a mixture of branded and exact anchor text - https://pbntime.wufoo.eu/forms/niche-blog-network/

I ordered 500 PBN Links with branded anchor texts to be drip fed 5 links a day from iWriter.

Finally I used the BH.C Blog Network service (which I own) to build some exact match links - http://godlikemarketing.com/bhc-pbn/

Results:

Day 1 -


Day 7 -


I expect to hit page 1 for all of my keywords within the coming weeks.. I'm not building any more links to the website and still waiting on quite a few of the links I ordered to be built.

I'll update this as the rankings increase and if I add any more links, pages or 301s to the project.

Once I've hit page 1 for all of these keywords, I aim to do some inner page rankings of reviews of other hosting companies as well.

10-12-2014 10:30 PM #2 fishinseo ()

I think you would have been better off buying a new domain. This one has already been spammed to death, not to mention the money anchor text is so spammily over-optimized. There is usually a reason 9 year old domains are still available for only $50.

Good luck

10-12-2014 11:59 PM #3 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by fishinseo View Post
I think you would have been better off buying a new domain. This one has already been spammed to death, not to mention the money anchor text is so spammily over-optimized. There is usually a reason 9 year old domains are still available for only $50.

Good luck
Spammed to death? it's got 131 backlinks (from 65 ref'ing domains) and that's AFTER I started building my links.

New domain won't hold up vs the large amounts of link velocity I'm pushing at the site (e.g. 100+ links a week for a few months)

The reason it's available is because it ONLY had age, no good links/stats etc.. other than age.

131 Backlinks - According to Ahrefs
277 Backlinks - According to Majestic
1 Backlink - According to OSE

I wouldn't call that spammed to death at all.

10-13-2014 12:00 AM #4 charlesfloate (Member)

P.S.

New domains will get hit by the sandbox straight away.. Only ever go with fresh domains if you have nothing else available.

10-13-2014 12:13 AM #5 quinnn (Member)

Great follow along, thanks for documenting your steps! Good luck with it, I'll be watching.

10-13-2014 02:53 AM #6 fishinseo ()

Quote Originally Posted by charlesfloate View Post
Spammed to death? it's got 131 backlinks (from 65 ref'ing domains) and that's AFTER I started building my links.

New domain won't hold up vs the large amounts of link velocity I'm pushing at the site (e.g. 100+ links a week for a few months)

The reason it's available is because it ONLY had age, no good links/stats etc.. other than age.

131 Backlinks - According to Ahrefs
277 Backlinks - According to Majestic
1 Backlink - According to OSE

I wouldn't call that spammed to death at all.
Look at all the backlinks, including the ones that were deleted. Then, you are up to 1600+ backlinks that are 100% spam. Hostgator Coupons is overoptimized at 9%, along with a lot of other money keywords.

The reason you look at deleted is to see why they were deleted:
His owned PBN deindexed?
SAPE links removed?
Public Blog Network deindex?

I say deindex cause they usually delete their blogs once deindexed.

Also, dont fear the sandbox. Build the new site. Put content on it. Build a couple of links then hold on to it for a couple of months. Then, SEO it however you want. The sandbox is a very temporary issue.


You do understand what spammed to death means? You are doing with your recent attempts.

10-13-2014 04:02 AM #7 h0mp (Member)

It's amazing to see what happened to SEO in 4 years time

10-13-2014 05:45 AM #8 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by fishinseo View Post
Look at all the backlinks, including the ones that were deleted. Then, you are up to 1600+ backlinks that are 100% spam. Hostgator Coupons is overoptimized at 9%, along with a lot of other money keywords.

The reason you look at deleted is to see why they were deleted:
His owned PBN deindexed?
SAPE links removed?
Public Blog Network deindex?

I say deindex cause they usually delete their blogs once deindexed.

Also, dont fear the sandbox. Build the new site. Put content on it. Build a couple of links then hold on to it for a couple of months. Then, SEO it however you want. The sandbox is a very temporary issue.


You do understand what spammed to death means? You are doing with your recent attempts.
Months? I don't want to wait months.. This is a black hat project my man, so I don't care if it gets burned after ranking for a couple of months/weeks - The ROI is still huge.

Even at 1,600+ links.. it's still not "spammed to death", spammed to death would mean the site isn't even indexed, which it clearly is as I'm on Page 2 for some of my keywords now already.

Over optimization at 9% anchors is fine, again.. It's a black hat project.

10-13-2014 05:54 AM #9 dlegia (Member)

My expectations - next google 'animal' update will send your site to trash.

Hope that you will return your investment in this period.

10-13-2014 07:05 AM #10 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by dlegia View Post
My expectations - next google 'animal' update will send your site to trash.

Hope that you will return your investment in this period.
Actually, I have a spammed site that's ranked through ALL of the animal updates, purely because of it's age and content quality.

See -
http://serpbook.com/serp/?viewkey=ipxzzx

10-13-2014 08:24 AM #11 Gary (Member)

I did Black hat stuff many moons ago and made good money but it was always boom to bust and you are completely in the control of others. In this respect you are never actually building a business you are simply scamming along from one project to the next.

It can work well if you re-invest to making something actually tangible that you can be proud of but as a long term approach I think ti is flawed as a business model.

Turning point for me was going totally white hat and embracing what Google actually wants, you can make far more money doing it right than fighting them all the time IMHO

10-13-2014 08:49 AM #12 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by garyp View Post
I did Black hat stuff many moons ago and made good money but it was always boom to bust and you are completely in the control of others. In this respect you are never actually building a business you are simply scamming along from one project to the next.

It can work well if you re-invest to making something actually tangible that you can be proud of but as a long term approach I think ti is flawed as a business model.

Turning point for me was going totally white hat and embracing what Google actually wants, you can make far more money doing it right than fighting them all the time IMHO
I do both.. I'm an all around SEO - Came to STM to become more of an all around Internet Marketer

From SEO/Affiliate alone I probably do about $20k/month profit which is still pretty good! I do long term black hat as well, building really HQ sites with very targeted link buys.

White hat for affiliate is a long game and you can't do launch jacking from it, unless you have a niche specific very high authority site that'll instantly rank - Which takes a long time, a lot of effort and a lot of $s to build up.


The best thing you can do is build a very HQ Blog Network for links in terms of SEO and build out HQ Money sites with multiple affiliates offers/reviews on inner pages then use the blog network to rank those inner pages for numerous affiliate keywords - I've seen upwards of $1.5k/day revenue doing this and then sold the site on Flippa for $30k+ once the initial launch jack is over

10-13-2014 08:54 AM #13 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by cmdeal View Post
Burning through SEO black hat sites and domains can be profitable, but it definitely is not a long term strategy or one that can create enterprise value.

I would be interesting in seeing how OP's project turns out, however.
I actually have a site I mentioned above -
http://serpbook.com/serp/?viewkey=ipxzzx

That has been going for over a year and a half now, with 20k+ spammed backlinks using GSA SER (PR1+, OBL below 25, mostly comments, forums and web 2.0s)

Also, i did a post showing long term black hat seo on my blog -
http://godofseo.ca/case-study/black-...-case-studies/

Which had even some of the big white hats (e.g. Rand Fishkin) in shock.

10-13-2014 08:55 AM #14 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by charlesfloate View Post
The best thing you can do is build a very HQ Blog Network for links in terms of SEO and build out HQ Money sites with multiple affiliates offers/reviews on inner pages then use the blog network to rank those inner pages for numerous affiliate keywords
Not sure about whether this point is correct. I would be interesting in seeing how this project turns out, however.

Burning through SEO black hat sites and domains can be profitable, but it definitely is not a long term strategy or one that can create enterprise value.

10-13-2014 09:00 AM #15 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by cmdeal View Post
Not sure about whether this point is correct. I would be interesting in seeing how this project turns out, however.

Burning through SEO black hat sites and domains can be profitable, but it definitely is not a long term strategy or one that can create enterprise value.
The point is, you aren't burning through it if you do a good private network and HQ money sites.

Make your PBN look legit, e.g. see my video of one of my PBN sites -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXQbxZAwx1I

And make sure your money site is super authoritative (e.g. my main affiliate site that I did this exact thing on has been ranking for 2+ years and has 475 pages all unique, HQ) and won't ever get burned. Took me a long time and a bit of $, but still a lot less time and way quicker rankings than white hat

10-13-2014 09:58 AM #16 solaris (Member)

Look forward to seeing how you get on with this one. I was targeting those exact same keywords a few years ago, it's definitely lucrative but I found Hostgator scrub quite a lot (search for info on that) and roi wasn't great until you hit the top 3 (fairly obvious, but some markets can work once you hit page 1).

10-13-2014 12:06 PM #17 weebay (Member)

At last a decent seo thread on stm. Subscribed.
I'm an seo too learning paid traffic now also to give me more options.
Very interested in this follow along as I'm launching a new project at the moment.

10-13-2014 12:33 PM #18 charlesfloate (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by weebay View Post
At last a decent seo thread on stm. Subscribed.
I'm an seo too learning paid traffic now also to give me more options.
Very interested in this follow along as I'm launching a new project at the moment.
Nice to see another one alike ^.^

10-18-2014 03:45 PM #19 quinnn (Member)

Charles: would love an update on this post Penguin 3.0

10-22-2014 09:00 AM #20 manu (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by weebay View Post
At last a decent seo thread on stm. Subscribed.
I'm an seo too learning paid traffic now also to give me more options.
Very interested in this follow along as I'm launching a new project at the moment.
Charles knows what he's talking about.
I know of him by Matt Woodward's blog's guest post where he ranked above Rand Fishkin for "rand fishkin".

10-22-2014 09:43 AM #21 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by manu View Post
Charles knows what he's talking about.
I know of him by Matt Woodward's blog's guest post where he ranked above Rand Fishkin for "rand fishkin".
?

Is this true?

This is what I see



http://i.imgur.com/DgwTOP8

10-22-2014 11:46 AM #22 manu (Member)

Yeah I don't see it either.

I guess it only lasted for a few weeks/months. That's one of the risks of blackhat SEO.

10-22-2014 12:09 PM #23 aady83 (Member)

As far as I know it is true - there was quite a nice case study done on hXXp://www.matthewwoodward.co.uk/experiments/ranking-for-rand-fishkin/

10-22-2014 01:28 PM #24 manny030 (Member)

Any update?

10-23-2014 09:37 PM #25 quinnn (Member)

Looks pretty gone from where I'm sitting, unfortunately :/

10-24-2014 12:25 AM #26 seattle (Member)

These things don't last as long as they use too.

10-24-2014 12:26 AM #27 waltermitty (Senior Member)

Quote Originally Posted by manny030 View Post
Any update?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-29739275

Solihull teenager charged with hacking and possession of child sex images
A teenager has appeared in court charged with possessing indecent images of children and computer hacking.

Charlton Floate, from Whiteslade Close in Knowle, Solihull, did not enter a plea at Birmingham Magistrates' Court.

The 18-year-old was arrested following an investigation into a cyber attack on the Home Office website, West Midlands Police said.

He was remanded in custody and is due at Birmingham Crown Court on 5 November.

Mr Floate is charged with conspiracy to commit computer misuse, possessing photographic indecent images of children, possessing non-photographic prohibited images of children and possession of extreme pornography.

10-24-2014 01:12 AM #28 weebay (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by waltermitty View Post
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-29739275
Oh wow. Wtf!

10-27-2014 06:12 PM #29 manu (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by waltermitty View Post
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-29739275
omg wtf...

02-11-2015 12:03 PM #30 charlesfloate (Member)

I'm 18 guys, UK law means you can consensually have sex at 16 (which was when I was dating a girl who was 17) they found like 6-7 pictures of her on my iPhone, as well as a load of cached images from 4chan - 3/4 images charges now dropped.

09-18-2016 07:48 PM #31 sawhnr (Member)

what happened about this project? did you succeed?

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