Cloaking... Whats the point anymore? (21)
It seems like Facebook is just shutting down accounts left and right. Even whitehat accounts are getting shut down. I feel as if FB is putting accounts in a review que and if it looks at all like something fishy EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST they are banning you. I have some accounts I cloak some I dont and they last the absolute same amount of time which is VERY SHORT. At least without the cloak you are not loosing as many clicks................. Call this a venting / frustration post but does anyone feel the same?
I spoke with a few people who feel exactly the same way you do. It seems fb can't stop people from creating accounts, so they decided to wear down affiliates by banning them until they give up. Many people have done just that - they moved on to other things.
I suspect one thing fb might be doing is selectively placing accounts for review if they contain sensitive keywords: Weight, fat, garcinia, etc, in either the ad or the LP. I'm sure there's some highly efficient algorithm that scores ads and LPs.
I see some ads that are BLATANT blackhat ads that have been running for months and I am jealous. Most people though are getting banned after a day or two of running. I run whitehat stuff and still get banned and have no clue why because its not like there is the ability to speak to anyone that knows what they are talking about over there. FB just gives you a blanket ban statement and thats that YOU NEVER KNOW WHY......
The problem with going elsewhere is the sheer volume that FB gives. I can spend 100 - 200 - 300 on other traffic sources per day at the CPC I need to be at to back out and with Facebook I can spend 10 - 20 times that. Facebook is KING unfortunately
Originally Posted by _mcr_
Someone's recent post suggested that FB was even using facial recognition to identify a celeb and jack up click prices...
So having algorithms to detect keywords in landers? I would be surprised if they didn't.
As you said... FB has the power and the nonchalance to just whittle affiliates down now. Good for me I guess, but the banning of whitehat accounts sounds a bit concerning.
Tangent: I got banned from Adwords today. I activated my Adwords account on my personal/business Google account that has been live for 6 months -- all my Google stuff is clean. I have never advertised with them before. I created an MCC and integrated my main account, added a CC, deposited $20 and ran a gaming app add (which was fully compliant). I spent $20 then got suspended for a) abusing promo codes (huh?), b) not being able to have my payment source verified (huh?), and c) apparently suspicious billing behaviour. All this with a CC in my name that I paid them with days beforehand. Google and FB hate on everyone!
That would be pretty sneaky to us Facial Rec to detect celebs and Ban / make CPC high ..... wouldn't be surprised if they do that.
key words in landers.... Well compliant landers could have a ton of those key words that trigger a ban so I wonder how the differentiate the good from the bad (same as above)
As I said before if the ad looks to be an AF ad they are Axing the account. Sucks that sometimes it happens to the whitehat stuff
Originally Posted by zeno
jason what is your ideal demo? Would you be able to work with a facebook page that has 1 million likes from mostly women over 40 USA for example? have you tried going the route of buying pages in order to circumvent ads a little?
Black Hat = Diet and Muscle so yes women over 40 would work
Whitehat is mostly viral "news" stories and typically we target males over 40 as they click on anything. 25 biggest hollywood balloons, 25 craziest photobombs, etc etc etc I am sure I can build galleries that will get women engaged.
Have not bought any fan pages.
Originally Posted by _mcr_
Accounts are definitely not lasting as long, and the golden period of easy profits is behind us, but it's a numbers game and the odd cloaking angle will work. I've stumbled on one that is doing well and is just iframed on the landing page (for reviewers) with php so there is no JS -- I used to be the hardest worker on unique fake/safe landing pages with Skype phone number to make it look like a real physical biz etc. but it must not matter that much. If the ad is suspicious in the SLIGHTEST, they won't even bother to check your lander. So you lose out on the ad side, can't make them that aggro... then it's just a game of getting a decent (not stunning) CPC and milking. The ads need to be written like you're a proper business who picked up "funky headlines 101" or some shitty book to help you learn copywriting. If it looks way too pro, you're fucked. If you use images of people, you're fucked. Go for interesting headline, people (looking space), a click/mouse icon and so on... then you have a shot. Fuck FB lol.
Hm, been running ads with celeb faces, semi aggressive ad copies and rarely have problem with ad approval. Accounts last even up to weeks. Its prly your accounts..
Agencies don't work anymore, even for whitehat it's pretty hard. Be creative though, it's still possible. Like redrummr said, it's a numbers game.
Guys I suspect there may be another action to avoid when you're trying to not get your banned accounts linked to the new ones in any possible manner.
It's just a supposition, but while you're uploading the creatives, Facebook upload script may be able to read the folder's path and add this info to the creative.
Of course if you're uploading all your banners from the same folder E:\Campaign0123\Facebook\Whales\ you're linking your old and new accounts
I'm still having a lot of accounts last weeks, although I do get the occasional 2 day insta-ban. Seems like they are really good at banning the sick ROI accounts and letting my breakeven-ish ones go forever though!
Originally Posted by dario
Copy all images to root i.e. C:\ before upload? Heh.
Just got another ban.... What I have been doing is anytime I get a ban I put the list of IP's for the hours before it into my list on my cloaker to cloak them in the future. That being said this one was pretty obvious and only further proves what I started this thread out for (whats the point of a cloaker) I can see my cloak Picked up a Reviewer at 6:09AM my account was banned and billed at 6:10AM so clearly the reviewer got to my page saw it was something that looked safe and still banned it.
Was this with diet/muscle, or the 'other' stuff? 
It's not the cloaking, definitely the funnel/setup, something is rubbing them the wrong way, there's not much to do but create ads differently and keep trying different shit. That's the game right now. You still NEED to cloak, but the rest is not easy anymore.
Instead of climbing over a wall (cloaking) and being able to run to the finish line, we now climb the wall to find an obstacle course. But you still need to climb over that wall if running anything blackhat, and indeed a lot of whitehat things now, just to make the landers that much more 'compliant'.
Diet .... I did have two accounts for whitehat go down as well over the weekend but todays most recent one was Diet.
Would be nice to have an account that lasts a full week! (not counting the time / cost it takes to build the account up)
Originally Posted by redrummr
It's not the cloaking, definitely the funnel/setup, something is rubbing them the wrong way, there's not much to do but create ads differently and keep trying different shit. That's the game right now. You still NEED to cloak, but the rest is not easy anymore.
Instead of climbing over a wall (cloaking) and being able to run to the finish line, we now climb the wall to find an obstacle course. But you still need to climb over that wall if running anything blackhat, and indeed a lot of whitehat things now, just to make the landers that much more 'compliant'.
Another one bites the dust........ Been running it for weeks and loosing / breaking even. At 200 Percent ROI yesterday Scaled up today and BAN! OH I LOVE FACEBOOK
Originally Posted by jason a
Originally Posted by jason a
5mill in the demo. I was at 250 a day, I duplicated the Camp Twice to make it 750 a day in total and BAN.
Originally Posted by bogeyguy
Yeah I lost 3 accounts in space of 2 weeks from scaling campaigns. One I duplicated 2 ads and had $150 on each ad $300 spend on a $500 threshold and bam. The ads were safe!
I've decided to concentrate on my commerce anyway at this time, bit of a time out and xmas coming out.... hungry shoppers
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