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PBNs still effective to rank authority sites and where to get expired domains (43)

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Been doing a lot of FB marketing lately but thinking of spending more time on SEO - I haven't been burned by any of the "black & white animals" like others (yet!), so still have enough motivation to give SEO a shot

Since it's been a while, what do folks think about PBNs and their effectiveness in today's SEO world? I'd be ranking sites in Europe if that makes a difference. Also, what are some good places to get expired domains for German sites (assuming ".de" domains are the way to go to rank a site in that country?)

Thanks guys!
Max

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I wouldn't waste time on something so unstable like SEO results.

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I'm in SEO for over 10 years and the fact I joined this forum a month ago says it all :-)

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Hey Max,

Not sure about the PBNs, I'm wondering that as well, also looking forward to someone having info on that.

On the expired domain names: you can bid on quarantine .de domains through these dropcatching services: dropcatcher.de and domainorder.nl Good luck!

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PBN works well. When you buy a domain for a pbn check their link history using ahrefs. You don't want some spammed chinese links domain. Also using a PBN will make you safer in your fight with google animals. Seo it's not that unstable , you need quality links and good content. I wasn't hit in the last year by google updates and managed to bank around 100 k in profits from seo.

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PBNs can be good, if you have got quite a high budget and you are building your own. It is important to not have ANY footprints that might catch the PBN out, this includes, theme similarities, set up, post frequency, hosting, IPs, the list is endless. If you are prepared to go for it it can be worth it, just make sure not to share that PBN with anyone once you have it set up.

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Good info guys, thanks. I've done a good amount of research, mostly coming from viperchill (who also posted here a few months back). So yeah, aware that it costs a bit upfront, also using different hosts, IPs etc.

I'm glad folks are still seeing success with PBN's, that was my main concern. Re: my question for country specific PBNs, should I only focus on building out .de domains? Maybe good .de domains are even easier to get since there's less competition than for dotcoms?

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PBN's still definitely work. I have over 100 1st page pages and PBN is the #1 technique I use to get them ranking. If you're just starting out, theres a steep learning curve. Some of the things that will get in your way:

- Where to find cheap domains
- How to deal with foot prints
- Setting up the domains efficiently

If you're trying to rank in Germany, .de domains will help, but just marginally. So will hosting in Germany, as opposed to a US host. You can still rank fine with .com PBNs, or sites hosted in another country, but it won't be the best possible scenario.

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Matt, how many websites is it best to have in a PBN?

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Pick something you can market naturally. Hire some bloggers with multiple established columns to promote your business and pay them fixed. Hire someone to interview experts, especially universities, many universities have /press pages where they will feature the site where the interview is hosted, these kind of links are going to make every google update squash your competitors.

Mix in some high quality pbn sites for a boost, would suggest you network with some SEO's for buying domains, common sources are going to be saturated. I spend $200/site to develop a real website, $40 for a year of hosting per site and $500 for the domain itself. I wouldn't personally pursue search traffic unless its a very high value per visitor niche with low to moderate competition.

I would argue that "SEO" is more stable than paid if you choose a solid method of marketing the site. The bad reputation "SEO" gets for stability is just going to keep some of your competition out of the business of developing long term businesses oriented toward search traffic.

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Depends entirely on the keywords you're going after.

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PBNs are still the bee's knees. Just make sure they're setup right.

Register Compass is a great tool for finding expired domains.

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General rule of thumb is 10-20 OBL on a PBN. I would advise to mix that up with authority sites like Wikipedia though and not just to affiliate sites. Make sure to flush out the PBN site too so it looks like a full website (about me, contact page with a fake email attached, different whois info too)

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Like the above poster said, these days you need to treat your PBNs with as much care as your money sites.

Actually, that being said, I spend more time on my PBN's than I do my money site. The MS I setup once and dont touch it again, until its time to split test. The PBN's I update all the time, linking to new sites, creating empty posts, keeping the content fresh. The PBN's are actually the real asset here. Money sites can be put together in a day.

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Any tips on building a PBN for a specific language/country (non English) and more specifically the domains? Is it a no-go to buy .com/.net domains with a previous English websites on it to then build a PBN site on it in a different language?

Would love some input on this!

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It's totally doable. As of right now, Google isn't checking for any continuity between the old sites content and what its being repurposed as. You can use a French cooking site to create a German car blog. You're just not going to get 100% of the linking value since the links and anchors coming into that French site won't be applicable for a German car blog. But you'll still get a huge chunk of value.

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Very interesting. Going to research this some more, since this totally changes my view on my current PBN (localized domain TLD's, but hard to find good ones).

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You can scrape expired domains using xenu/scrapebox but it's definitely pain in the ass. Expired domains lose age but if they have good referring domains they could be quite powerful. Good idea also to check the history of the domain using https://archive.org/web/. Im currently building a pbn myself, have around 100 sites in my network so far

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Yep. Just try it out. I'm ranking sites in Brazil, Costa Rica, Germany, Australia, and Mexico... all with US hosted sites and .com, .net, .org TLD's.

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can you still use your PBN to link to the sites inside your network to benefit rankings? If not, what are the main benefits of PBNs?

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It's not a good idea to link your PBN sites with each other. Main benefits of a PBN is the power of the backlinks. The power comes from trust flow/domain authority

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I can just say this:
PBN work if it is good PBN with unique content , templates, hosting, ip ....
In 10 months I invest only $11,500 and get back $122,700. That is my ROI from SEO and work 1-2 hours every 1-2 days...
All The Best

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@fighterspirit I assume you outsource the content?

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I have in my team one guy that just rewrite text and make new content. Big PBN

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I have been doing SEO for several years now and it has changed alot recently but it is very profitable if you can sustain it.

Blog networks are indeed the way to go right now. I created a reminder process for myself and thought I would share it and hopefully it will be helpful.

• Look in expireddomains.net for a domain that is keyword relative. Does not need to be exact match.[/INDENT]
• ExpiredDomains.net
  
  Go to the GD TDNAM tab
  Open up the filters
  Settings
  click no Fake PRs
  no unsure PRs
  in the TLDs column click com, net and org
  choose min pagerank of 3 or what ever
  you can include keywords in the top middle box like: alarm, security or whatever
  do a max of $100 or $500
  try to get domains for < $100
  some godaddy re-reg fees around $20
• Use AHref’s to do research on the domain. Check backlinks
  
  If the Citation flow is much higher than trust flow. I don’t go with it.
  Trust Flow must be higher than 20+ for me to even mess with it. I wouldn’t do more than a 25 Citation Flow.
  The backlinks categories must be related to your niche. If your selling diet pills and all the links are about Education and Finance. Not worth it.

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You may take a look at WordAI (sorry, affiliate link). Instead of rewriting it manually he can just copy and paste content in there and get a 70-90% unique version out of it. And it is readable. You can even combine it with WP pumper and automatically rewrite and post your content through an RSS source.

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dick, remove the aff link.

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Not allowed even when marked as one?
In that case I'm sorry.

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How well does this work? Does it create unique spins every time even with the same source text?

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Wordai is great.. exceptionally good. Alex put a lot of work into making it the best spinner on the market.

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It all depends. While it's by far the best (affordable tool) on the market right now, there are a few disadvantages you have to be aware of. First of all, you need to train it a bit. There are words like brands you don't want to replace so put those on your list.
Then you should create content that is workable for this tool. So if you have a very unique structure with lots of bullet points or links that make sense, WordAI will either destroy this or makes it less unique. So there are some limitations but when we're talking about PBN content it does a great job for a cheap price. Usually that $50/m is sufficient but for larger networks you need to pay a small per word fee on top.

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PBNs definitely work well. Personally, I use an expired domain crawler (Lazarus) to find expired domains and build my own PBNs for pretty cheap. I've also purchased links from Diggity and other places. Best ROI is to own your own PBN.

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hi guys I'd like to ask where we can find cheap hosting for PBNs thanks!

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@dimples - I believe the standard rule with PBN hosting is not to use one host for all your sites. So going with a single cheap host is probably not a good idea - better to spread it around.

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Tnx caurmen!

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The netherlands has loads of hosting companies of under €10 a year.
Easy solution if you need some IP diversification.

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http://www.ixwebhosting.com/hosting-plans

Gives u extra dedicated ip's. Perfect voor private network.

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You can always check: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forum.php?id=29

You can find shared hostings for 10$ per year or VPS starting from 8$ per quarter. It works wonders for geo/ip diversity

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Dedicated IPs are only reasonable when you host multiple domains on one IP. So using shared hosting may be a bit more reasonable when you are building a tiny 10-15 domain PBN. Also using dedicated IPs makes more sense when you are building more general PBN network where you have a bunch of niches. For example, we have clients who have bought hundreds of different C class IPs, but they have like 4-5+ domains per IP and they have many many different niches. You may get away with 1 niche too, but then you must have multiple money sites or just 1 post with a link. Otherwise it may become a footprint.

Another thing is, it makes no sense to build a bigger PBN with shared hosting because you never know what kind of other websites there may be on that domain. So yea, when you are thinking about building a PBN you need to figure out how big network you want to make because transferring 50-100 domains to a new hosting will be difficult and time consuming. Just something to think about when you are choosing hosting platform/services for your PBN

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I host all my PBNs on various CDNs, more or less. Using http://pbn.hosting. Never had any issues with it, I think a lot of the PBN paranoia is greatly exaggerated. I also use PBNs to "real" tier 1 links, and then it's much easier to load up a bunch of articles and drip over a network as t2.

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PBNs are still working, but just slightly less effective after the FRED update I've noticed

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Yeah. I like them a lot for t2 links though. If you can get some legit t1 links from out reach or similar, or for local to localized properties and then send PBNs. With the above service (not affiliated with them in any way, but I give recommendations where they are due), it's pretty easy to set up a large network of a few hundred sites on AWS and similar CDN services and then automate a drip of articles to a handful t1 links.

I also buy good t1 PBN links from Matt Diggity. They are pretty solid.

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If you can please contact me ASAP

Here is my link slimslimmers.com

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