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My first follow Along Ever (Mobile Campaign) (58)

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Hello Guys,
As the title says this is my first follow along ever & it's time to move from Incentive to non-incentive. My main focus is running mobile campaign on decisive with yeahmobi network.

The offer converts on this validation :-

1. User is redirected on Google Play to download the App.

2. User has to install and open the application.


This is my work done uptill now :-

Network: Yeahmobi
Traffic: Decisive
Offer: App Download - Android Tools & Antivirus (MY)
Payout: $0.72
Location -> Malaysia

I clone the campaign to 4 campaigns :

1) Device -> Mobile -> Android -> version => Android v2.2+
Audience -> Site

2) Device -> Wifi -> Android-> version => Android v2.2+
Audience -> Site

3) Device -> Mobile -> Android-> version => Android v2.2+
Audience -> App

4) Device -> Wifi -> Android-> version => Android v2.2+
Audience -> App

Category Field is Empty. That means category field is left unfilled. Any tips for category field ?

Budget set to $10 daily (Smart CPM)

There are 3 banners of different size i'm using right now. I'm not using any landing page instead direct linking.

http://img.crwd.io/nGGvH67TMNumGIuhXMKjr2NF6gX.jpeg
http://img.crwd.io/duGEVltCAkDAyfbgHQHGOlN2jBZ.jpeg
http://img.crwd.io/7euuQGr8n7yQKbzPTMDhTdNQYM1.jpeg

That's pretty much it. I don't really know what else to do at the moment.

Result so far :-



No Conversions On yeahmobi :-



Any Guidance or suggestions will be of great help to me.

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I don't know much about setting tracking too. So, please guide about that also. Although i've done setting of tracking conversion on Voluum but i don't see any clicks on Voluum but clicks are shown on yeahmobi as you can see above.

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In Decisive are your ads linking to your Voluum campaign URL? If they are, and clicks are turning up at YeahMobi, then you certainly should be able to see them in Voluum.

Your setup looks good so far and your initial ad CTRs look to be above average for most follow alongs ;D

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Yes, zeno my ads are linking to Voluum campaign But no clicks are shown on Voluum. You can see that here :-

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That's fine. Voluum recently changed the way they display data so, if you are direct linking, each click counts as a single visit but not a click.

Clicks are now reserved for when someone visits a lander, then clicks out.

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Ok thanks

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Looks good!

One minor point - on the 320x50, you may want to tweak the text a bit for readability. White on light green wasn't too readable for me.

The other two ads look great, though!

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@caurmen but on 320x50 banner background is light blue i think, Should i change it ?

Latest Update :-

On decisive :-



On Yeahmobi :-



No Conversion Yet

One thing i don't understand that why there is no bidding or traffic on wifi campaign ?

Total spend is only $3(approx) not much spending also. Why is that happening ?

Please tell, is everything fine here according to you or should i tweak anything ?

Thanks in advance

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Definitely try a different 320x50 banner - you need contrast to portray your message quickly. On the other hand the poor readability can catch user attention... but I wouldn't count on this!

So far your stats look OK - not enough data yet to say much although you might be getting close to being able to cull some placements in the mobile-app campaign.

Note that you are only winning <20% of the bids in the mobile-app campaign so there is more traffic there, but not enough to spend $xxx daily. It is likely there simply isn't that much traffic there in Malaysia.

As for your WiFi campaigns not getting traffic, email Decisive - they will have a better answer for you than we can give.

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Ok, Result so far :-

On decisive :-



I got 1 conversion on yeahmobi but it didn't show on decisive i don't know why is that happening ?

On Yeahmobi :-



On Voluum :-



Today i got 1 leads does that means i can scale it up after optimizing it better ?

Today i'm going to make animated banner of different sizes.

Should i make landing page now or just let it run as direct linking and test it more ?


Day 1

Spent :- $5.78
Earned :-$0.72
Profit :-($5.06)
ROI :- (87.54%)

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Keep direct linking for now.

Show us your decisive link and the pixel you placed on yeahmobi we can spot why the conversion isn't showing up.

Try another 320x50 banner with a big "download" button too

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On Voluum i'm getting this error :-



I don't know Malaysia language so can i test english Banners also or i've to stick to malay language banners only?

http://puu.sh/9nfmt/d645d2b47e.gif
http://puu.sh/9nfwq/afa3416f7b.gif
http://puu.sh/9nfP6/6b3222b602.gif


Result so far :-

on yeahmobi :-



on Decisive :-

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Split-test Malay and English - there's a considerable English-speaking population in Malaysia.

Still looks like you're getting very little volume - try moving to regular CPM with a bid of about $0.40 and see what you get.

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Your postback URL looks OK but confirm that:

a) you don't have a full stop at the end of the configured URL
b) you are correctly posting back the bidhash value and not the Voluum Click ID

http://help.decisive.is/knowledgebas...uctions-voluum

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Thanks for your reply guyz.
About the offer i was promoting, my manager said that the offer stopped converting & gave me new offer in same category i.e Antivirus. So i've done setting up everything & ad is pending approval.

Will update things later when ad start running.

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My ad started yesterday night & these are results of new offer i'm promoting.

Result so far :-

On Decisive :- Day 1



On Yeahmobi :-



On Voluum :-



Spend :- $12.05
Earned :- $0
Profit :- ($12.05)


On Decisive :- Day 2



On Yeahmobi :-




On Voluum :-



Spend :- $1.16
Earned :- $0.90
Profit :- ($0.26)

I still don't get any conversion on decisive. Please tell me how can i correct this ?


I just received a mail regarding the offer i'm promoting to be paused for the time being. So i've to look again for new offer.

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Can you post your postback on YeahMobi and your decisive link? (Obviously blank the domain.) That'll help us narrow down your tracking problems.

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Decisive url:
xxx12.trackvoluum.com/b8419ff9-fe81-4e18-b88c-beef2d1fc052?Creative ID={{{creative_id}}}&carrier={{{carrier}}}&os={{{o s}}}&device={{{device}}}&os_version={{{os_version} }}&placement={{{placement}}}&Ad ID={{{ad_id}}}&app={{{app}}}&site={{{site}}}&bidha sh={{{bidhash}}}


Yeahmobi Postback url:
http://xxx12.trackvoluum.com/postback?cid={aff_sub2}&payout={payout}

Will update the thread with update in few hours.

Thank you.

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Firstly, make sure bidhash is configured as the externalid in the Voluum traffic source setup, and is the postback URL there set as hxxp://win.crwd.io/convert/{externalid}

The combo you posted should work OK, provided you have an offer URL in Voluum that looks something like this:

hxxp://myaffiliatenetwork.com/....?aff_sub=something&aff_sub2={clickid}

The first thing to do provided the above criteria have been met is look at your subid data at YeahMobi - can you see click IDs coming through under aff_sub2? If so, and conversions are not appearing in Voluum, it will be the postback URL configuration at YeahMobi's end that is holding things up.

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Thanks for the reply @zeno. Everything is correctly setup & conversions are showing in Voluum but not on decisive.

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same prob i am having, my conversions are showing up on Imobitax but not On decisive
I am wondering if its possible to add two postbacks to Network. I can see from the cookbook guide
how to add Decisive postback to affiliate network for conversions to show on Decisive but I have
already added the network Postback so i am wondering if its ok to still add the Decisive postback
or will that cause trouble adding both...?

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Adding two is only possible for certain networks and/or if your AM can do it manually.

The issue could be related to Decisive's current issues? Does Voluum report errors in the error section?

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@Zeno Yes it does.
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Sorry for not updating guys.
Actually i don't really like promoting offers directly. I have quite good experience in incent marketing, so I'm brainstorming how I can run ads promoting incent stuff.
I have also started with teespring targeting fifa world cup.

And if anyone remember that stackman $80k campaign where he promoted to twilight girls, cartoon converting toolbar. i twisted and tried that method but giving incentive.


What i did was content locked a pic to cartoon convertor software. I invested $18 in total and made $20.
What you guys say? Should i try this targeting US?

If anyone looking to get started with ads+content locking, please pm me. We can do it big if we work together.

Thank you and have a great day,

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Hi guys!

I'm back in the game. I thought and thought and reached the conclusion, nothing in this world compares to IM and enjoyment of testing craziest ideas (Thanks to MR.Green for worst case study) and making them work.

So i started with f5 and decisive. Selected 1 high converting offer which pays $1.20 SOI. Its direct linked campaign. Already 2 conversion, i think it has potential. Also, I'm using smartcpm as per Caurman's Cookbook. I made only 1 banner in paint and this is the result so far:



DAY 1 Results (Not over yet)

Invested: $5.37
Revenue: $2.40
Profit: -$2.97
ROI: -55.30%


What should be the next step?

And should i show my banner and offer name and stuff? Since i'm completely new, i think i should reveal everything, so that i can get better advice.

Thank you for following.

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Im not sure exactly how much budget you have but from the looks of it, it defiantly looks like there is potential, if it was me, I would raise the budget and let it spent at least $50, from there I would optimize the SITE ID's and cut the really negative ones, I would also look at my banner and landing page and do optimizations and make them better then I would spend another $50 and repeat the process until I got profitable.

Just my 2 cents.

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Just noticed this on your link :

You have a space at bidha sh={{{bidhash}}}. Change that to bidhash={{{bidhash}}}

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HI guys!

Time for update. I am currently running the ads at $10/day. And this is result so far:



Invested: $40.57
Revenue: $15.60
Profit: -$24.97
ROI: -61.54%

I ordered new banner and mobile LP from bannerslanders.com. Will start split testing after they send them.

I got few questions:

1. Decisive showing 746 clicks and Voluum showing 761 clicks while my cpa network showing 346 clicks. Almost 50% click loss when its direct linked. So where is the problem?
My theory is decisive sending lot of wrong geo traffic and offer is simply redirecting to other offer and thats causing clicks loss. Whats your thoughts?

2. Is there a way to pass cost to Voluum from decisive?

Thats all. I will continue to spent $10/day per ad set until until i get LP and then increase it to $20/day per ad set.

Thanks for your answers and following me.

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1. What does the geo data look like in Voluum? You're tracking for a reason, so look at this.

Additionally, see if the device types are all allowed (e.g. iPad might be not allowed).

Check the IP logs and see how many dupes there are.

Talk to your AM and ask them to look at your data for out-of-geo and unacceptable clicks.

Also look at your click logs in Cake > tick duplicate clicks.

2. Nope. Use a CPC average and that's as good as it's going to get.

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Thanks for reply Zeno.
I checked the duplicate clicks stats and its showing 549 total clicks. While on Voluum there are 637 clicks from my geo and 176 clicks from US which is waste of traffic and $$.

So finally its decisive 805 clicks, voluum 638 + 176 clicks, f5 549 clicks.

I think 100 clicks loss is not bad. Or is it?

And how can i stop US traffic from coming?

Thank you.

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The clicks from Decisive match up with Voluum although some clicks being outside the targeted geo isn't helpful - though this can be tricky territory with mobile if just basing things on IP.

The 637 >> 549 click loss isn't too bad. What geo? Click loss will be exacerbated in countries that have poor connectivity or speeds to where the affiliate network servers are (likely US and UK).

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Looks good for an initial test - indeed, very good.

Get to $15 and then review!

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Its new zealand. There internet speed is quite good i think.

Yes, i increased the daily budget.

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Hi guys!
Due to my mistake my ads stopped running. I fixed the problem, so traffic will start in few hours. So no stats to post. But i got some questions.

1. Right from start i narrowed my audience by entering categories. Should i start without categories and then narrow down converting categories later on?
2. My traffic is very low. There are two ways to increase it. 1) Increase my daily spend. 2) Bid manually.
Which one you recommend?
3. I thought to use rackspace cdn, but it works only with static landers and my landing page is php. Which vps is recommended?

Thats all for now. I got my banners and LP. So i will set up ads with new banners and then hopefully i will be able to collect more data and get to break even.

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I'd strongly recommend running without categories. Decisive's categories are a bit random, so you're generally better to narrow down placements individually.

Traffic: is the amount of traffic you're getting equal to your daily spend?

VPS: My honourable colleague Zeno, who lives in NZ, recommends http://www.sitehost.co.nz/hosting/vi...rivate-servers for your Kiwi hosting needs

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You are linking from Decisive > Voluum > LPs > F5 Media right?

Voluum has a Sydney data centre. The connectivity from NZ to Aus is excellent hence why you got very little click loss. Why the clicks are listed as being from the US I don't know... this could be something on Decisive's end or the database being incorrect.

You will get more click loss when you go to the F5 Media link because Cake seems to not give a crap about Oceania - there will be a night and day difference between load speeds for an NZer loading off an NZ/Aus server vs the US - think 10-50 ms latency to servers vs 200+ and large drops in throughput.

For hosting landers, if you aren't using PHP, go with e.g Rackspace CDN, or with CloudFlare if using a server - both have Sydney-based PoPs.

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Hi! Hope you guys don't mind me chiming in.

If there is a difference in clicks I always recommend using the Click Explorer https://app.decisive.is/click-explorer/

It's good for comparing between different platforms because it shows the whole click path.

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I removed all categories but i'm not getting any traffic at all. My daily budget is $10/ad set and i am unable to spend even $2. I'm using smartcpm.
Should i start bidding manually?

Thanks for suggestion. I will use cloudflare.

Thanks for advice. I will use it.

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Hi guys!
It is quite depressing. I want to collect data and get into profit fast, but traffic is decreasing.
Also i lost about $10 on US traffic. I am paying for NZ traffic but ending up with 270 US clicks with $.05 cpc, its close to $10. Any suggestion regarding this problem?

Also, as I said earlier, Im not spending nowhere near my budget. So should i switch to manual bidding?

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Do you have enough conversions to get a feel for what placements are converting? If so, you might want to switch to manual on them in a separate campaign and start raising bids to get more traffic.

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Yes. One placement got me 50% lead so far. So i cloned that placement with cpm $0.05+ the smartcpm. Say, i was paying $0.45 before using smartcpm, now i raised it to $0.50.

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Hi guys!
This is getting crazy. I tried manual bidding but no traffic at all. But somehow conv shot up. Here is today's stats:


Spent- $3.21
Revenue- $6.00
Profit- $2.79
ROI- 86.91%

I am currently running same old banners. I got my LP and new banners but i want to increase the traffic first. So any advice on that? Manual bidding not bringing any result at all.
Also, I'm still spending close to 1/3rd money on US traffic. Which is complete waste.

I know i can make good profit using it. I just need to sort these issues at hand.

Thank you.

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Hi guys!

It looks like traffic is coming back. I contacted decisive support and they told, that there is decrease in traffic and they are working on it. And since today my traffic improved.
I decided to use LP.

Here is stats for Today so far:


So 432 clicks on decisive and 417 clicks on Voluum. Its pretty good. But only 160 clicks on f5. This is worrying me. In midday i started using LP. SO far 165 people arrived on LP and 17 clicked on offer. My LP ctr is about 10%. Is this average or below average?

I set $15/ad set but not spending all of it yet. Hopefully today i will be able to spend all daily budget. I'm current testing 12 banners and 1 LP. Later i will make new LP.

One more thing, is my banner ctr fine? I mean whats avg banner ctr?

Thank you.

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Your CTRs are generally below average. I think you do need to improve these.

LP CTR is definitely problematic if you are still running the $0.72 payout offer - the CTRs will influence how much you pay per click to the offer which dictates the minimum conversion rate you need to break even. If this is unrealistically high then you need to make improvements everywhere else.

But first, I think you really really need to isolate the source of the large click loss heading to F5. Are they duplicate clicks? Are the outside the offer geo?

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My offer has $1.20 payout. About that click decrepency. Look at these:



First and third are LP while second is direct linked.

decisive - 432 clicks
Voluum - 329 clicks
F5 - 114 clicks including dupes

I don't know what to do. I'm using hostgator shared hosting. LP ctr is so low. Should i post my banners and LP so that i can get better idea where is problem?

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That's a really high % of click loss, you definitely have something causing this handicap.

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I don't know what can cause this much. Maybe my LP is loading very very slow which can cause people to click through the banner and hence impression but closing the LP coz its too slow to load.

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Hostgator shared hosting sounds like its the issue. Grab a cheap vps!

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If someone on your shared hosting account is having heavy usage, it can definitely affect the performance. A CDN would be a great choice.

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Think ao. About to get beyondhostng VPS2048. That will be enough?

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Rackspace Cloud files is another good option.

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Yep, the first thing I would fix with your setup, for absolute certain, is the hosting.

Shared hosting is one of the most common causes of dead campaigns out there. Get onto a VPS as soon as possible!

After that, though, I'd definitely recommend figuring out what's causing the click loss on F5 as priority #2, before you start running any more traffic.

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Yes, but thats for static pages. Mine is dynamic.

I ordered the vps. Its still pending. I hope its the hosting thats causing click loss. Since my LP is converting pretty awesome.

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Hi guys!
I got my vps up and started running my site. Loading time decreased but I'm not seeing any improvement. Though i changed it today, so still time to see.
Click loss is still causing problem. Look at yesterday's stats:


First one is direct linked. Other two are LP. Total 677 people clicked through the banner and arrived.
On f5 only 230 clicks including dupes. So almost 440 clicks loss.

Spend: $40.62
Revenue: $4.80
Profit/loss: -($35.82)
ROI: -88.18%

Will wait today to see if it improves. Otherwise I will stop the ads.

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What did your f5 am say about the click loss?

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Yet to talk to him about that.

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I'm a bit confused - you're mixing DL and LPs.

So, how many users did Voluum track as passing through direct linked, and how many clicked through your landers? What does that total to? Now what does F5 say?

E.g. you mention:

But I see 278 direct linked plus 43 from landers = 321 overall and 230 at F5.

230/321 = ~28% click loss.

What % of the direct linked only clicks are lost? What geo's are they from according to Voluum?

You need to get a better overview of the specific metrics of this campaign.

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Yes @zeno has pointed out the issue I was having! there is no way for F5 to know about people that clicked to the lander but didn't click to the offer.

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Are you talking lander or tracking? You can host dynamic landers on cloud files - move the js to the root and update the HTML

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I presume he means he is using PHP code on the page, which would indeed preclude hosting it on Rackspace Cloud Files.

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Hi guys!
I'm back finally. For last two weeks i had problem with renewing my stm membership with my pp. Now i renewed with my cc.
I was also busy with my exams too, so couldn't work at all last week. Now I have decided to start again. I will be trying decisive with zeropark. Initially I was going with antivirus and coupons offer, but now I am looking to try sweeptakes too. So I will be contacting my AM and looking for good offers.

Thank you for following.

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