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05-04-2014 10:55 AM #1 cmdeal (Veteran Member)
3 Surprising Insights About Money and Happiness

3 Surprising Insights About Money and Happiness

Adapted from http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/...-and-happiness


People have probably been wondering whether or not money buys happiness since money was first used in the Middle East sometime around the 9th millennium B.C.

This is also a common topic on STM as well, subject to a lot of different personal opinions. Recent studies, however, have come up with some answers to the age-old question that go beyond conjecture and personal opinion and have some basis in science and statistics. They also offer us a few suggestions about how our choices about money can make us happier.



1 . INSIGHT ONE: What makes you happy on a day to day basis is correlated to income, BUT only up to $75,000

Nobody knows exactly what happiness is, or has figured out why similar circumstances can make one person happy and another person discontented. But recent studies have described two basic kinds of happiness.

One is called "emotional well being" and refers to a person's day-to-day experience, including how often a person laughs and feels stress, anger, joy and affection. These are the factors that make life pleasant on a daily basis.

The evidence suggests that beyond a certain point, more money does not make a person happier.




2. INSIGHT TWO: What makes you happier on a long term basis, however, is definitely correlated with money ... even beyond $75,000

There is a second kind of happiness called "life evaluation", which refers to thoughts people have about their life when they think about it over a longer term, as they consider whether they've fulfilled their ambitions and dreams.




3. INSIGHT THREE: What makes you happy in your older years is, in large part, a function of how much debt you carry (especially your mortgage).

A study from 2013, the Moss National Money and Happiness Study, revealed that the happiest retirees do not have debt or a mortgage, or they have nearly paid it off.

On average, 36 percent of happy retirees will have their debts and mortgages paid-off within the next eight years, compared to only 24 percent of unhappy retirees.

What's so important about not having debts and mortgage in your older years?



So how can YOU can be happier?

While our level of happiness depends on many factors, it is at least partly a result of our decisions about time and money.



So it definitely makes sense, like many people on STM, to work hard while you are young to seek to save enough money to provide you and your family with a debt free future. But it is also just as important to spend more time and money on friends, rather than going to the mall for a shopping binge or the car dealership for the latest model Porsche.

So go take your spouse out to dinner, invite a friend for coffee or arrange a golf game or a tennis match.

Not only will they appreciate it, but you will be happier as well!


05-04-2014 01:06 PM #2 bbrock32 (Administrator)

A 2010 study by Princeton University economists Daniel Kahneman and Angus Deaton allows that people in the lower economic groups are not as happy as people who make more money. But beyond a level of about $75,000 a year, more income does not produce more emotional well-being.
To be sure, this is the US average, and it will differ based on what part of the US you live. But the fact is, this kind of happiness has more to do with your health, social life and intimate relationships than it does with your paycheck or your portfolio.
Definitively agree with that. I have noticed this myself too when I went from being basically broke to making good money from AM.

I am not saying money is not important, just that after some time it's just more digits in a bank account since I know I am not going to spend it anytime soon.


05-05-2014 07:45 AM #3 John Jonas (Senior Member)

Money does bring comfort and peace of mind, and these two things do contribute to overall happiness. So you really can't disregard how money can impact your happiness.

It's how you use that money is what ultimately makes a difference.


05-09-2014 11:03 AM #4 Mr Green (Administrator)

Great article!

This might be a little off topic....but one HUGE issue I've had is paying for spouses and family.

Even though my family appreciate me buying them things, paying for flights etc, they have also feel pretty uncomfortable accepting those kinds of gifts. Buying things for my last two girlfriends, paying for rent, food etc, made them feel pretty bad too, like they couldn't contribute, like the someone how owed me.

I was just wondering how you guys deal with things when there is an obvious financial gap between your relationships?


05-09-2014 11:47 AM #5 richierich (Member)

Money = makes life good.

More money = ultimate comfort.

More More Money = Gets us resources to help others. ( This is the thing i enjoy the most ). Helping other yields best satisfaction in life. Making people's like better.


"Helping others is not your duty. Its a resolution, its a determination to make this world a better place. Otherwise, you will end up loosing your life like billions of other people. Only few people are have enormous power in form of money ( fill this place ). Every moment of our life draws us closer to death. But does this affect us ?"

After x amount of money, we don't have to struggle. Struggle = Happiness. You can't enjoy money if you have never been broke.


05-09-2014 06:14 PM #6 caurmen (Administrator)

@Mr Green - I don't have any solutions, really, but I've experienced that too. When there's a significant financial gulf between you and someone you're close to, be that friend, relative or SO, it can be awkward. I'd be interested to know how people get around that too!


05-10-2014 08:36 AM #7 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by Mr Green View Post
Great article!

This might be a little off topic....but one HUGE issue I've had is paying for spouses and family.

Even though my family appreciate me buying them things, paying for flights etc, they have also feel pretty uncomfortable accepting those kinds of gifts. Buying things for my last two girlfriends, paying for rent, food etc, made them feel pretty bad too, like they couldn't contribute, like the someone how owed me.

I was just wondering how you guys deal with things when there is an obvious financial gap between your relationships?
I think it is actually a very good thing that your family and friends feel uncomfortable when you pay for everything for them, and you should try to ensure that any giving is indeed appropriate and that there is some way that they can feel like they are reciprocating. Otherwise, it creates an unhealthy, dependence-like relationship, which is not good for either side.

You see this happen to celebrities and sports "ballers" all the time. Once they start making money, they start spending like crazy on not only themselves but also their friends. This usually ends very badly.

Smart people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett of Mark Zuckerberg seem to have a very sound approach to this. All of them have pledged to give away most of their wealth to charity. Both Buffet and Zuckerberg live in quite modest homes, and I have never heard stories about them splashing out on lavish expenditures for their friends.


05-10-2014 11:35 AM #8 Mr Green (Administrator)

Quote Originally Posted by cmdeal View Post
I think it is actually a very good thing that your family and friends feel uncomfortable when you pay for everything for them, and you should try to ensure that any giving is indeed appropriate and that there is some way that they can feel like they are reciprocating. Otherwise, it creates an unhealthy, dependence-like relationship, which is not good for either side.

You see this happen to celebrities and sports "ballers" all the time. Once they start making money, they start spending like crazy on not only themselves but also their friends. This usually ends very badly.

Smart people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett of Mark Zuckerberg seem to have a very sound approach to this. All of them have pledged to give away most of their wealth to charity. Both Buffet and Zuckerberg live in quite modest homes, and I have never heard stories about them splashing out on lavish expenditures for their friends.
Yeah I mean I don't spend on a level where I buy super slick cars, watches, jewellery etc.

I'm talking just day to day simple costs, my current girlfriend is your average broke student.

If I don't pay for a lot of stuff, we will be eating cheese n toast and noodles everyday, and living in a small mouldy apartment. There is also the travel thing. As an affiliate I attend a lot of conferences and meet ups, if don't take her every once in a while she will feel left out, if I do, then it goes back to that whole getting uncomfortable feeling.

What to do!?


05-10-2014 12:38 PM #9 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

Quote Originally Posted by Mr Green View Post
Yeah I mean I don't spend on a level where I buy super slick cars, watches, jewellery etc.

I'm talking just day to day simple costs, my current girlfriend is your average broke student.

If I don't pay for a lot of stuff, we will be eating cheese n toast and noodles everyday, and living in a small mouldy apartment. There is also the travel thing. As an affiliate I attend a lot of conferences and meet ups, if don't take her every once in a while she will feel left out, if I do, then it goes back to that whole getting uncomfortable feeling.

What to do!?
In that case, I don't think this is really something to worry too much about, especially if it is a serious relationship. If you are buying cars and boats for people, that usually ends very badly. But in this case, it seems like the main issue is just unequal earnings due to the different respective station in life, and furthermore, it seems that your girlfriend does appreciate what you are doing and not just taking it for granted.

In most couples (and marriages), there generally is one partner who has (sometimes much) higher earnings than other at one or more points in their lives. I have plenty of friends where the woman supported the man financially during medical school or vice versa. Likewise, I have plenty of friends who were entrepreneurs who were solely supported by their wives for several years until they finally hit it big, and vice versa. When this is really done in the spirit of all great relationships--namely in the spirit of true partnership and sharing--that is a powerful thing.

On a final--more personal--note, when I often look back on my life, some of the very best memories that I have are from the years when the misses and I had no money, when we were living in a dingy apartment, and when we were eating macaroni and cheese from a box for most meals. There is no question that money (especially in today's world) buys you freedom ... both freedom from things like worries but also freedom to experience many new things.

But if you can't share these your experiences with those you care about, then they really become much less valuable.

There is a nice quote from a blog post http://www.marcandangel.com/2013/09/...o-differently/entitled 10 Things Happy Couples Do Differently which sums this up nicely: "The best relationships are not just about the good times you share, they’re also about the obstacles you go through together."


05-10-2014 03:05 PM #10 stackman (Administrator)

Amazing article. All of it correelates exactly with my own thoughts.

I have the same problem as MrGreen except my families loves it when i splurge a little with them.


05-10-2014 10:18 PM #11 cmdeal (Veteran Member)

Great recent photo of Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan (who were friends from their Harvard, pre-Facebook days)
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...finitely-mark/


05-11-2014 12:26 AM #12 ProgramTrader (AMC Alumnus)

Quote Originally Posted by Mr Green View Post
Great article!

This might be a little off topic....but one HUGE issue I've had is paying for spouses and family.

Even though my family appreciate me buying them things, paying for flights etc, they have also feel pretty uncomfortable accepting those kinds of gifts. Buying things for my last two girlfriends, paying for rent, food etc, made them feel pretty bad too, like they couldn't contribute, like the someone how owed me.

I was just wondering how you guys deal with things when there is an obvious financial gap between your relationships?
I offer to split costs, so I'm not contributing 100%, but then rather than 50:50, I goto 80:20. With family I just say "I want to get you this because it's going to be a huge benefit for me" or "It will just make me feel good if I can do this for you - I'm just being selfish"

With the spouse I let her pay 100% for certain things (food) then I'd pay 100% of other things (holidays, the apartment....), or I just made excuses such as "let me get it now and get me back later.."


05-17-2014 09:35 PM #13 stephan (Banned)

Money can't bring happiness but my ass.


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