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wheres the $ in mobile? (29)

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i've heard alot about mobile being the future, heck even about it being the present which it is.

question is where is the money in mobile? i know some of you may think im asking a silly question, but it's just a question that a bunch of us had on skype after a discussion.

there arent alot of stuff we can really select from, but it does seem like the pot of gold is in pin submits. anybody care to chip in some of their experiences? i know you can make $ in every niche, but theres just gonna be some niches that outperform the rest, what do you think that niche is?

i'm considering taking up app installs as the niche of my focus and one of the guys mentioned i will perform much worse than someone focusing on pin submits. how much truth is there in that statement?
thanks guys

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That statement is only true when it is in a perfect world, where you can spend money on Google without worry getting banned.

You're in a game where volume dominates everything. So you can't just make the judgement that pin submit is gonna make more money than other verticals. It all depend on how you scale and how much volume are there for your targeting.

Let me give you an example.

Offer A --> Pin submit offer - accepts IT carrier traffic only.
Offer B --> App install offer - paying 0.20 per install but accept worldwide traffic.

and now let me ask you, which one you think has better potential in term of scaling? Which one of them can make you more money?

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@kokofai: hey thanks for your input, really appreciate it. i mean if we really wanna compare A vs B, we can take the eqn
expected epc * expected traffic clicks = expected profit of A and B to compare.

i think your question is directing me to do my research in this direction, because from what i know thus far, i cannot confidently give you answer.

but if i have to give u an answer, intuitively it would be pin submits because its has a high payout, with the capability to rotate different offers using the same creatives and landing pages(albeit with a few tweaks) and thus still able to scale widely. then again this conflicts the idea that you are suggesting, so can you help me correct whats wrong with my intuition?

sorry for such a messy response, im literally thinking out loud here, kinda confusing

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1. Lead gen
2. App Installs
3. App Launches
4. Pay Per Call
5. Pin Submits/Subscriptions
6. Local Marketing

Take your pick. Any of these have "big money" but each requires a slightly different approach. None of them are easy though which is why you need to pick one and make it your bitch

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Whatever you do pick (everything mentioned above can work) be sure to be consistent.

Like my old HS football coach use to say:
It can be easy to lose focus out of f.e.a.r. (fuck.everything.and.run)
Conquer your f.e.a.r. and just do it. (face.everything.and.recover.)

Sometimes its not where you start, its just the fact that you already started.*


*someone on stm told me this.

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Deondup is a mobile master

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By app launches do you mean app installs/leads but during the initial launch phase of an app?

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App Launches - running CPC campaigns and/or incentive installs on launch day/week. Its primarily to boost organic rankings

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App Launches - Also referred to as "burst" campaigns.

Burst campaigns are usually when an app developer wants a "burst" of traffic over a short period of time (either at the launch of an app, or just to get higher in the rankings). The time period is very short, so, you would have to get the offer loaded and optimized relatively quickly, to make quick bank. The advantage of this type of a campaign, is that the developer wants to get on the top rankings. Once they get on the top rankings , they are assuming they will get many more organic installs, that will not cost them anything.

For this reason, they can justify paying a premium (higher cpi) for the installs that come in during the burst, as the overall effective CPI will still be lower , once the organic installs are factored in.

So, if you see an opportunity to get on a burst campaign, while it may seem like a lot of work for a very short period of time, it may be worth considering.

Also, once a 'burst' is over, the developer may switch to a 'sustain' campaign, which means they may want continuous traffic, but at a lower payout. Once you figure out your epc from the burst, you can decide if its worth continuing on the 'sustain' campaign.

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These are the most common types doing BIG volume across your popular CPA networks like Mundo, F5media, Neverblue etc...

These are a broader range of offers, things like pay per call and local mobile marketing are smaller/less competitive areas of mobile.

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Like to check.

How does conversion work for app installs and pin submit for mobile?

For app installs, is it the customer has to download the apps from appstore or playstore (depends on the OS type)? upon each download and install, it will count as 1 conversion?

For pin submit, how does this work too?

Thanks.

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For app installs a conversion occurs when a user downloads the app and opens it for the first time.

For PIN submits is when people verify their subscription by entering the PIN verification sent to their mobile.

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Thanks, that is much clearer now

I noticed Decisive recently sent out an email on this

We are expanding our traffic, and as a part of adding new traffic we are unable to support direct APK downloads from now on

I thought APK downloads, isn't that the same with app installs? Does that mean Decisive will not allow app installs traffic anymore?

Any help? Thanks.

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Decisive is prone to cloaking. PM me for Decisive cloaking solution. We provide a edge over other marketers. I also analyzed their platform, found 4-5 serious security vulnerabilities.

Unfortunately, they don't provide any bug bounty program otherwise, i would be more than happy to help them if they pay me something for that work.

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Those security vulnerabilities we're actually placed there on purpose to catch you. They knew you were coming David. You're being played.. inception.

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You can cloak and make some profits for a while but you will destroy their business. They don't own the traffic and when the exchanges see the cloaked offers they will get kicked off the exchange.

Don't ruin another good traffic source

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Why not just email support with a list of these apparent vulnerabilities? Demonstrate some altruism.

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For app installs a conversion occurs when a user downloads the app and opens it for the first time.

Does conversion take some time?

I have a direct linking campaign. 87 clicks within 1 hour period, but no conversions. Is this normal for app installs?

just checking out

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If its an ddl apk app(Android), then yes late conversions are common. Because the user have to click on the apk in their notification bar and install it. Sometimes users would have to enable third party download on their phone to do so (Android). If that's the case a tip for you is to use a lp saying preparing for download or something and showing (with img's) or telling the user how to enable that setting. There's one floating around on the interwebs.

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so basically an app install = ddl apk app? ddl means download?

and do you have any example of the lp that you mentioned? any help? thanks.

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No I miss read your post I guess. I thought you were running a ddl apk offer. DDL means Direct Download. It means when the user is guided straight to the offer by way of clicking on your banner which would be DL (direct linking) or through and action on your landing page. The download happens automatically. A regular app install would guide them to an offer page where they will click a download button or to either the google play store or apple app store.

I hope that helps. I'm on my phone and my thumbs hurt.

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Its true. But honestly i don't care. I have multiple IPs, Credit Cards. Cloaked campaigns running for long stretches. This provides me edge over other fellow marketers. This is competition. I have seen competitor failing and quiting...

I am going to do whatever i can to make MAX Profit.

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I simply don't agree with you. Sorry.

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Dear me

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If you need to cloak to get an edge over other affiliates then I feel sorry for you. Why not learn to market well and get some pride in what you do.

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DDL = direct download. The apk packages are similar to exe's and msi's we download on PCs, so the user has to download it then initiate an installation after the download (hence conversion delays).

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You sound lovely, would you like to date my sister?

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hahaha

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Decepticon identified ! autobot lets roll !

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