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Setting Up A 2nd Facebook Account After You've Been Banned? (32)


02-25-2011 01:40 AM #1 stackman (Administrator)
Setting Up A 2nd Facebook Account After You've Been Banned?

It's a lot easier opening multiple accounts on Facebook than it is with Google. I currently have 3 accounts with them, a lot of it sharing the same info. This isn't 100% fullproof, but it's your best option for opening a new account.

The main goal is to put as much new info as you can! If you can't for certain things thats ok, but the more new info you have on your 2nd account, the safer you will be!

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Creating A New Account

Go here: http://www.facebook.com/ads/create/
- Create and setup a quick ad campaign (doesn't have to be real)

Once the campaign is set, it will ask you if you have a Facebook account already,

Click:
"I do not have a Facebook account"

Then signup with completely new info from any previous accounts you have. (From what i know facebook doesn't use your IP to see if you have multiple accounts, but that's not a 100% fact -- for what its worth i have 3 facebook advertising accounts that i use with the same IP and i've had one previously banned on that same IP)

The most important info for you to change
- Use Google Chrome in private mode
- Your name (if you want just use the initial of your last name for 'last name'. It should work)
- Your address
- Your CC
- Don't use any URLs that were in your previous account!


My account setup:
My safest account = CC1
My somewhat safe account = CC1
My not so safe account = CC2 (I also manage to get away with my last name on this account as being just my initial instead of my full last name)
CC =Credit Card

IF YOU WANT A NEW ACCOUNT THAT 100% WILL WORK WITH NO ISSUES FOLLOW THIS:
I think i may be a bit harder to create a 2nd account as of recently, so if you want to play it safe.
- NEW EVERYTHING! (yes that means get a new CC!)
- Use VPN (that's in your same country)
- Download (1st uninstall if you previously have it) Google Chrome, and put it in 'private mode'
- Don't use any URLs that were in your previous account!


02-25-2011 03:57 AM #2 sqallpl (Member)

I'm wondering what about EU advertisers who needs to put their VAT-EU number to get invoices when they need to get another account.


02-25-2011 05:40 AM #3 klax (Member)

I also found useful to use a paypal account.


02-25-2011 07:19 AM #4 tijn (Moderator)

Re your CC - you can see if your provider has a virtual card option like the following

citybank - https://www.citibank.com/us/cards/ge.../van/index.htm
BoA - http://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy...about_shopsafe


02-25-2011 07:58 AM #5 stackman (Administrator)

sqallpl

Honestly no idea. Don't even know what a VAT-EU is.


02-25-2011 02:56 PM #6 sqallpl (Member)

VAT EU is a business ID for European goods and services tax - VAT.

For example. If I want to attach the invoices from facebook/adwords/any other network that has European rep I need to have invoices with my unique VAT-EU. If there is no VAT-EU on them I can't attach them as a cost, so I would have to pay an income tax for all ma revenue - not for my profit. Hope it's clear

VAT-EU number is attached to your facebook ads account if you are in EU and use it as a business account.

So I need to be probably much more careful with my ads account.


02-26-2011 01:25 AM #7 stackman (Administrator)

What happens if you signup with no VAT-EU, does it block you from advertising? I'm wondering this because theirs no account approvals


02-26-2011 05:49 AM #8 sqallpl (Member)

No it doesn't. But without correct invoices, you will have a lot of problems in some EU countries (if not in every).
For example:
Campaign XYZ
Cost: $100.000
Revenue: $130.000
Profit: $30.000
Income tax to pay in EU country (varies between 10%-40%+, lets take 20%): $30.000 x 20% = $6000
End profit: $30.000 - $6.000 = $24.000

Same campaign but without correct invoices from facebook
Income tax to pay: $130.000 (all revenue because you have a problem with accounting facebook costs) x 20% = $26.000
End profit: $30.000 - $26.000 = $4000

Hope it makes any sense.


02-26-2011 05:51 AM #9 index (Member)

^^^damn, I guess I won't be renouncing my citizenship afterall


02-26-2011 06:17 AM #10 klax (Member)

So basically with the VAT-EU facebook reports to the government all you spend on advertising?


02-26-2011 06:46 AM #11 sqallpl (Member)

So basically with the VAT-EU facebook reports to the government all you spend on advertising?
They has it accounted in the archive. Don't know how it really looks in Ireland to be honest. Anyway I don't heard of any CROSS-EU controls. I mean the situation when government financial rep is checking seller and buyer both in the same time, to check was there a sale really made between them.
But if they want to check how much you spent buying services/goods from some company inside EU (facebook is the case here), they can do that without any problems.

I'm not an expert so don't want to say too much.

Same with my simulation. I based it on a income tax, when you will have probably more problem with VAT tax, because income tax is a different thing.
Anyway if you are running business inside EU and want to buy/sell something to another EU rep, you need to have everything with EU-VAT to be clear.
Same with Adwords. They want your EU-VAT number, when you are running account for business purposes there.

Another case. I'm not sure about other EU countries because its more specific thing. But here in Poland I can't just take my wife/parent/brother account and use it for advertising. Because without an invoice made for MY OWN SPECIFIC business name or my personal name I cant count is as a cost = have to pay for all revenue, not real profit. That's probably the main reason to be careful with my FB account


06-01-2011 06:53 AM #12 ppvnewbie (Member)

Alright, just got my account banned today. Seems that aggressively resubmitting is something you should prevent ;-) Either this or survey offers aren't allowed, I have no clue. I will try to get another account setup today, thanks for this post Stack


06-06-2011 02:13 PM #13 michaelza (Member)

I would just like to know something, if the whole of south africa uses dynamic ips, and I've got various different ISP accounts would that still work rather then getting a VPN?


06-16-2011 02:01 PM #14 steezy (Member)

ppvnewbie, how did this method work out for you? I need to spread my FB wings a little bit more now.


06-16-2011 02:21 PM #15 ppvnewbie (Member)

Working great so far. I created a new account using the same CC AND the same PayPal Account like before. I used my first name and only the first letter of my surname. Same address as well like on the banned account. Seems to work just fine. I used another email address though.


06-16-2011 02:23 PM #16 steezy (Member)

Awesome thanks.


06-16-2011 04:18 PM #17 steezy (Member)

Did you add friends and likes on your new account or just head straight for advertising?


06-16-2011 04:53 PM #18 Gonzo (Member)

oops wrong thread..


07-12-2011 02:35 AM #19 maynzie (Moderator)

I tried this method, using paypal which I havent done before and its a business verified account

I also used private google chrome and it still didnt work :S

Any tips?

Also used another email address


07-20-2011 06:53 AM #20 zenchimp (AMC Alumnus)

Great info, thanks. I just started up a new account today after my first one was banned due to too many disapprovals. I used my real name (diff to 1st account, which was a fake one) with only the first letter for my last name. Same CC, diff email - everything worked fine.

Did try to use a FB coupon tho, which wasn't allowed due to the fact that I had already used on on my first FB account linked to the same CC. Will try and set up another account with my other CC and perhaps use that for more aggressive ad submits


09-28-2011 08:55 PM #21 limitless (Member)

Not sure if this works anymore. I started an account this way on Monday and as soon as I entered payment info the account was disabled pending review. I did all the normal stuff I do to protect myself, including a new user account on Windows 7, a proxy in my home city, new shopsafe CC number, etc. Starting a new account then trying to advertise immediately looks like it might be problematic.


10-06-2011 05:52 PM #22 wildfing (Member)

Does anyone know what they match against the CC info? Or if they even do? Aslong as it's a real address in maybe the area of the bank??


10-07-2011 11:39 AM #23 Hannah (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by wildfing View Post
Does anyone know what they match against the CC info? Or if they even do? Aslong as it's a real address in maybe the area of the bank??
While I haven't had to create a new facebook account for a while, so this might have changed, I used to make up completely random names and addresses (though they were in my general area because I could use real streets/postcodes I knew off the top of my head) and it was fine.


01-15-2012 07:29 AM #24 mims (Member)

same CC doesn't work anymore, you need everything new...


01-17-2012 01:08 PM #25 jr_sci (Member)

With a new CC, the address remains the same. The bank won't issue a CC with some random address. Will it be a problem if we have different CC with the same address?


01-17-2012 01:44 PM #26 pro3g (Member)

I know this has probably been asked many times but what is the best VPN to use


01-17-2012 06:13 PM #27 pro3g (Member)

Anyone just getting a auto decline on credit cards I just tried 2 cards I never used from a new computer new names address only thing the same is the first numbers on the card and it just says decline even though the cards work fine I tested them other spots and no issues at all... you think they put they match the first string of numbers also?


01-17-2012 07:55 PM #28 brodgers (Member)

I know this has been mentioned, but I can confirm that if geolocation of your region + billing address don't match up, it goes under auto-review. I got this email today on one of my accounts I JUST signed up for after inquiring and asking them to please justify why I was flagged (New York City Billing Address, Ohio Elite Anonymous Proxy):

To clarify, I have an account that I signed up for at a local starbucks that is still going strong, and after that I've always used some derivative of my Ohio proxies (I have many IP's) to login to it and it's still fine (bumped up to 2k/day before logging in with other IP's). Also had another one banned recently that just got a spending increase, and it was exactly the same as the one that wasn't banned EXCEPT i logged in with a brand new Ohio proxy before the spending increase from $50/day to $250/day. As Polar has said before, when they bump, they also to more aggressive AVS, but it's not only the AVS (which my card would pass), it's analyzing your account too. If you goto Security settings on your main FB account and have logged in from another location before, you'll see the recent places Facebook has tracked your account as having logged in from.

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Hi,

Unfortunately, your account has been disabled because our systems have detected suspicious activity associated with a method of payment on file with your account.

Facebook is currently investigating the matter. In order to expedite the investigation, please provide an explanation for the discrepancy between your region and billing address. Additionally, any further information you can provide as to the methods of payment you have been using, your reasons for using them and your advertising campaigns will also be of assistance.

Please note that your full credit card number is not required. Facebook will never ask for your full credit card number via email, nor is it recommended that you send this information with your correspondence.

Thank you for your assistance,

Kyle
Risk Management
Facebook


01-18-2012 06:13 PM #29 krueger (Member)

Well I got that message on one of my accounts right from the start, and I got it up to $500/day without a problem (I didn't touch it anymore since). Also another one I logged from a different location, it went down for like 2 weeks, but I emailed them like 10 times with the reply to this questions and it is running well at $2k/day.


01-18-2012 06:39 PM #30 pro3g (Member)

Once you have a new account up and running is it still safe to login from your computer that you had other accounts disabled from in the past?


01-19-2012 04:22 PM #31 rmk_ (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by pro3g View Post
Once you have a new account up and running is it still safe to login from your computer that you had other accounts disabled from in the past?
not unless you're running on a fresh virtual machine and never log in using the same ip as your banned accounts


01-19-2012 07:03 PM #32 brodgers (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by pro3g View Post
Anyone just getting a auto decline on credit cards I just tried 2 cards I never used from a new computer new names address only thing the same is the first numbers on the card and it just says decline even though the cards work fine I tested them other spots and no issues at all... you think they put they match the first string of numbers also?
I'm getting the same issue, every new VCC from Citi I'm using gets auto-declined. Tried local starbucks native wifi on a brand new install of OSX + safari and auto-rejection. Tried the same logged into Google's local free wifi at their office and the account went into auto-suspicious payments as well... the only thing I can think of us that they're blocking VCC's from citi now. Will try with a new AMEX and report back


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